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Resources/oil are transported by rail! It's in the manu... - 1/17/2010 8:27:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Can resources and oil be transported by rail/road automatically? Can oil be transported by rail/road? Is there a daily limit?

(The manual mentions that "Supply" is transportable by rail/road. It doesn't say anything about resources and oil.)R

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RE: Can resources/oil be transported by rail? Not in ma... - 1/17/2010 9:22:18 PM   
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RE: Can resources/oil be transported by rail? Not in ma... - 1/17/2010 9:38:12 PM   
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Each day, supplies from a base’s stockpile are distributed to ground units in the same hex as needed.
Supply, fuel, resources, and oil stockpiles will also be moved automatically from bases overland
to restock other bases or ground units that are running low on these items if the two bases (or
ground unit) are linked by a valid supply path. When these items are automatically moved to
another hex, some of the items are expended during the transfer (never more than 20% will
be expended).


Well, I went and searched the manual for EVERY instance of the word "resource", and I found this! It is in the manual after all.

However, is there a practical limit on the resources/oil transported each day? :)

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RE: Can resources/oil be transported by rail? Not in ma... - 1/18/2010 4:23:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry to highjack the thread a alittle, but I will like to verify if there is a suply tax for supply/fuel when moving along the supply chain. That is, will there be an amount lost when we move supply and fuel by the road/rail network? I seem to recall such a thing, but I cannot find any references to it right now and am not sure if I am confusing it with another game

If there is indeed a supply tax, are we better off using ships to carry the cargo, or should we stick with using the roads? (For discussion purposes, lets not consider the possibilities of sunk shipping). Lets say, are we better off letting fuel by moved by rail from Shimonoseki to Tokyo, or should we ship it to Tokyo? The extra milegage makes a slight difference when moving fuel by tankers,

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RE: Can resources/oil be transported by rail? Not in ma... - 1/18/2010 4:29:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Is it reasonable to deduct that one could move fuel north out of Singapore toward china? I whink this makes teh Jap job of getting it bac kto the home Islands alittle easier.. BUT I am seeing in my pbem game NO movement of fuel in OZ

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RE: Can resources/oil be transported by rail? Not in ma... - 1/18/2010 1:19:04 PM   
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Status: online 		IIRC, there was a 25 hex limit for how fuel would be moved by rail in WiTP. Don't know if this has been adjusted for the smaller scale of AE hexes or if it's still the case. In practice, however, Perth does not draw fuel or supplies from Sydney-too far-even if connected.

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RE: Can resources/oil be transported by rail? Not in ma... - 1/18/2010 2:09:04 PM   
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IIRC, there was a 25 hex limit for how fuel would be moved by rail in WiTP. Don't know if this has been adjusted for the smaller scale of AE hexes or if it's still the case. In practice, however, Perth does not draw fuel or supplies from Sydney-too far-even if connected.


Rail capacity was more tons per day than distance. As I recall from memory, a single track line was good for about 2000 tons each way per day, while a double track line was good for about 5000 tons each way per day. A troop or supply train (an infantry battalion, tank company, or 500 tons) made about 500 miles (11-13 hexes) a day. Railhead to frontline was about 100 km (1 to 2 hexes) ideally and 300 km (4 hexes) maximum.

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RE: Can resources/oil be transported by rail? Not in ma... - 1/18/2010 3:00:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Also, buried in the change list for v1.00.95 of the game, there is this:


"95. Gameplay Change: Removed the wastage of resources/oil/fuel during overland
movement."

I'm not sure how I should interpret this.

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RE: Can resources/oil be transported by rail? Not in ma... - 1/18/2010 3:32:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ncdawg

Also, buried in the change list for v1.00.95 of the game, there is this:


"95. Gameplay Change: Removed the wastage of resources/oil/fuel during overland
movement."

I'm not sure how I should interpret this.


supply and fuel wastage still seems to be present (hard to test because of all the movement and normal usage, but supply for sure still seems to be reduced)

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RE: Can resources/oil be transported by rail? Not in ma... - 1/18/2010 4:58:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wonder if there is a pull to hQ for fuel inland.. I ave a base in Z that I will test this on.. the issue of Jap transportation of oil from sra is important though... I would think all Jap players would try to force oil up from SP to China??

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RE: Can resources/oil be transported by rail? Not in ma... - 1/18/2010 6:44:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pompack


quote:

ORIGINAL: ncdawg

Also, buried in the change list for v1.00.95 of the game, there is this:


"95. Gameplay Change: Removed the wastage of resources/oil/fuel during overland
movement."

I'm not sure how I should interpret this.


supply and fuel wastage still seems to be present (hard to test because of all the movement and normal usage, but supply for sure still seems to be reduced)



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RE: Can resources/oil be transported by rail? Not in ma... - 1/18/2010 6:46:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		no, the way to fuel moves is to lagest port that has the highest spoilage limit and also the number of ships disbanded drives up the fuel requirement. There is no direct way to move fuel overland.


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I wonder if there is a pull to hQ for fuel inland.. I ave a base in Z that I will test this on.. the issue of Jap transportation of oil from sra is important though... I would think all Jap players would try to force oil up from SP to China??



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RE: Can resources/oil be transported by rail? Not in ma... - 1/18/2010 7:35:51 PM   
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no, the way to fuel moves is to lagest port that has the highest spoilage limit and also the number of ships disbanded drives up the fuel requirement. There is no direct way to move fuel overland.


BigJ,
How will I get fuel to Mukden, Harbin and all the other inland factory centres? Seems to me I might as well switch them off after the fuel is used up, as they don't seem to draw enough fuel to operate.

Joerg

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RE: Can resources/oil be transported by rail? Not in ma... - 1/18/2010 8:04:37 PM   
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no, the way to fuel moves is to lagest port that has the highest spoilage limit and also the number of ships disbanded drives up the fuel requirement. There is no direct way to move fuel overland.


BigJ,
How will I get fuel to Mukden, Harbin and all the other inland factory centres? Seems to me I might as well switch them off after the fuel is used up, as they don't seem to draw enough fuel to operate.

Joerg


I'd like to know, too. Has this been fixed?

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RE: Can resources/oil be transported by rail? Not in ma... - 1/18/2010 8:18:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: herwin


quote:

ORIGINAL: Joglinks1

quote:

no, the way to fuel moves is to lagest port that has the highest spoilage limit and also the number of ships disbanded drives up the fuel requirement. There is no direct way to move fuel overland.


BigJ,
How will I get fuel to Mukden, Harbin and all the other inland factory centres? Seems to me I might as well switch them off after the fuel is used up, as they don't seem to draw enough fuel to operate.

Joerg


I'd like to know, too. Has this been fixed?



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RE: Can resources/oil be transported by rail? Not in ma... - 1/18/2010 8:33:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you BigJ,

I was looking the WitP Tracker and every turn the result is 'short on fuel' As you never see it being consumed and nothing is stored at the end of the turn it will obviously not show in tracker.

Thanks again for the reply and also for your endless efforts to explain the add supply buttons.
The penny has dropped at least for me...

Cheers
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RE: Resources/oil are transported by rail! It's in the ... - 1/19/2010 3:18:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Form a WitPtracker/economy standpoint, is the connection between Malaya/Thailand/Indochina sufficient to call these places the same area? I.e., would it ever be necessary to move resources between them by sea or can we just bring the resources to any of these and have them flow between? Note that Indochina has only a road connection to Thailand.

I also assume by the same token everything connected by rail in China/Manchuria/Korea can be considered the same region with automatic transport between?

I supose Burma is seperate because there is only a trail connection?

Thanks,

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RE: Resources/oil are transported by rail! It's in the ... - 1/19/2010 3:36:30 PM   
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Indochina has a minor rail connection to Thailand IIRC.

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RE: Resources/oil are transported by rail! It's in the ... - 1/19/2010 4:20:52 PM   
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Indochina has a minor rail connection to Thailand IIRC.


It does but unfortunatly it does run to Siagon, just stops short of it.

You can ride the train from Singapore to Bankok then down to about 80 miles N of Saigon.

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RE: Resources/oil are transported by rail! It's in the ... - 1/19/2010 7:01:16 PM   
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RE: Resources/oil are transported by rail! It's in the ... - 1/19/2010 9:41:17 PM   
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RE: Resources/oil are transported by rail! It's in the ... - 6/5/2010 1:29:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Does fuel floods from Magwe (Burma) to Chungking (China) if allied player controlls Magwe-Mandalay-Lashio road ?

Same question for supply.

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RE: Can resources/oil be transported by rail? Not in ma... - 6/5/2010 2:29:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

IIRC, there was a 25 hex limit for how fuel would be moved by rail in WiTP. Don't know if this has been adjusted for the smaller scale of AE hexes or if it's still the case. In practice, however, Perth does not draw fuel or supplies from Sydney-too far-even if connected.



And this is for the best. In 1942, it is impossible to deliver and keep fuel in Sidney or Brisbane as Australian industry just sucks it up. Perth is at least far enough away so that you can store fuel there. Hobart is not a bad place to tuck a little gas away either.

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RE: Can resources/oil be transported by rail? Not in ma... - 6/5/2010 5:17:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Joglinks1
I was looking the WitP Tracker and every turn the result is 'short on fuel'


You need to have enough fuel for the ports to want to send fuel to the industrial center. IIRC, they will hang onto 3x their "fuel needed". So try dumping more fuel in port arthur or wherever.


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As you never see it being consumed and nothing is stored at the end of the turn it will obviously not show in tracker.

This apparently was changed in 1.5.1, so tracker is supposedly an accurate representation of what did/didn't produce. But you can always doublecheck with the ingame industry screen (hot key "J"), click on the "Fail" column and see what didn't produce ("X" in the column)

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