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Senario 1 vs Senario 2 - 1/9/2010 1:10:16 PM   
bigred


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Status: offline 		Where can I read up on the exact differences between the senario's.
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RE: Senario 1 vs Senario 2 - 1/11/2010 10:39:18 PM   
dr. smith

 

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Status: offline 		Here's a smidgeon of what I'm working on, comparing all 3 scenarios:

Here's the just Fighter Aircraft Diffs:

Aircraft Type   Base    Hakko   Ironman   Iron-Dec41
=========================================
A6M2 Zero       249       357      478         +144
A5M4 Claude    171       174      189
Ki-27b Nate      518      518       493
Ki-43-Ia Oscar    24        24        49
Ki-43-Ib Oscar    32        80        80
=======================================
TOTALS           994      1153    1289       1433

The main diff for other planes is the Betty bumpup:
G4M1 Betty       157       277      277     +144

Done most the work comparing and finding the diffs in all 3, just got to present it in a good format.

Also, most Exp levels for Val squadron are higher by 10. For Kates, its 10 higher for carrier based, 20 for land based. For Fighters, most non-China squadrons range from 10-20 points higher, a few China Squadrons are better.

Most Light Bombers are 10 points higher in Exp, while Nells and Betties are 10-20 higher.

Recon planes are also 10-20 higher, mainly just float planes, but some land based ones also.

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RE: Senario 1 vs Senario 2 - 1/12/2010 3:10:41 AM   
dr. smith

 

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Status: offline 		Just saw the Pearl invasion thread done under Scenario 2 (Hakko Ichiu) - one concern was the Hakko Ichiu had a big enough bump in land forces to enable one to greatly expand the capability to invade.  It is NOT so.  There is only about 300 extra AV made available to the IJ player at the beginning - 3 extra militia reg'ts in the China Exped Army.  Then, by the end of '41 - mainly 2 extra Inf units of a total of 286 AV = the 15th Guards Regiment (143 AV) and the 17th Indpt Guards Regiment (ditto) both in the 21st Army.

Here are the values for the diffs in land forces - the top part is number of distinct units (fragmented units were taken into account).  The bottom is in AV strength:

Type Unit --- Base ---Hakko---Ironman
================================
AA                 93         93          93
Armor            31         31          34
Artillery          74         74          74
Coastal Def    58          58          58
Engineer       269        269         269
HQ                 50          50          50
Infantry        270        273         287

AV values
Unit Type     Base      Hakko      Ironman
================================
Armor          1295      1295         2143
Coastal Def 1688      1688         1874
Engineer      2176      2176         2371
Infantry      33586    33823        46546



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RE: Senario 1 vs Senario 2 - 1/12/2010 3:34:57 AM   
dr. smith

 

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Not much of a bang for Scenario 2, here are the only diffs:

Combat Ships:
        Base   Hakko  Ironman
CV        6        6          8
CVL       2       2           6
BB        10     10         12
CA       18     18         24
CL       20      20         33
CS        3        3           0
DD      115    123        153

The only diffs (besides DDs) between Base and Hakko are following:

Ship     Base  Hakko
E           12     16
DMS       20     26
LSD         1       2

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RE: Senario 1 vs Senario 2 - 1/12/2010 10:37:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nice work, I've been doing something similar for scenario 2, but haven't gotten beyond LCU and ships due to time constraints. Maybe you'd be interested in updating this topic on the AE wiki ?

I do see quite a number of differences between your work and mine, I have got a lot more extra ships and LCU's. (Though most under construction/delayed) How did you go about finding the differences ? I used the csv output from Tracker and compared the excel sheets that came from that.

I did seem to miss the extra militia troops in the China expeditionary army, which units are they ?

http://hc-strategy.com/ae/wiki/index.php?title=Scenarios


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RE: Senario 1 vs Senario 2 - 1/12/2010 3:47:01 PM   
freeboy

 

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Status: offline 		thank you so very much 
So where has my oponeent been hiding his betties?

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RE: Senario 1 vs Senario 2 - 1/14/2010 12:47:50 AM   
dr. smith

 

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Status: offline 		I did the WitP Tracker dump to .csv files, but I loaded it into Access database - combined the files into one table. Made up and ran a bunch of queries to group similar types and get counts on them.

By sorting it various ways you can see what's extra what's changed. I can dump it out into an Excel files with different sheets - will do that over the weekend. Want to show summary sheets and then high detail full blown sheets. One easy way is the ID field, it is the same for all 3 scenarios - one problem was Ships don't have it, but adding in a auto-incrementing counter field gets you 99% - Ironman has one ship ID that throws off the remainder, but I fixed that.

Just a matter of exporting from Access into Excel, and then combining it all into one Excel file with several sheets.

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RE: Senario 1 vs Senario 2 - 1/14/2010 6:56:28 AM   
bigred


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RE: Senario 1 vs Senario 2 - 1/14/2010 7:51:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think the biggest boost in Jap capabilities is in the pilot reinforcement rate. Scenario 2's rates are way higher than scenario 1

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RE: Senario 1 vs Senario 2 - 1/14/2010 11:57:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: awaw

I think the biggest boost in Jap capabilities is in the pilot reinforcement rate. Scenario 2's rates are way higher than scenario 1


How much higher is the pilot reinforcement rate?

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RE: Senario 1 vs Senario 2 - 1/15/2010 1:16:56 AM   
dr. smith

 

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ORIGINAL: Smeulders



I did seem to miss the extra militia troops in the China expeditionary army, which units are they ?

http://hc-strategy.com/ae/wiki/index.php?title=Scenarios



Sorry, forgot your question! You might have missed them due to location:

#4961 - 1st Militia Regiment - Hanoi

#4980 - 2nd Militia Regiment - Haiphong

#4985 - 3rd Militia Regiment - Haiphong


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RE: Senario 1 vs Senario 2 - 1/16/2010 4:07:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		There are also more Zero groups for the Japanese. This makes a big difference in the first few weeks.

Oops looks like this was mentioned.

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RE: Senario 1 vs Senario 2 - 1/16/2010 7:54:22 PM   
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RE: Senario 1 vs Senario 2 - 1/16/2010 9:00:18 PM   
Smeulders

 

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Status: offline 		Remember, the Wiki is still incomplete, finishing up exams first before I finish off that list. I seem to have at least forgotten a couple of garrison units, and ships need to be checked more thorough then I did the first time around. Air units etc. haven't even been started yet. 

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RE: Senario 1 vs Senario 2 - 1/16/2010 10:23:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for doing this. I'm playing a Scenario 2 PBEM as Japan, and I realize I'm getting terribly spoiled. :\

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