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RE: Firestarter - 8/16/2014 6:01:47 PM   
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Andaman Sea: Some WJD transports try to get into Rangoon which no longer has a CAP. They are clobbered by Vengeance and even a Beaufighter gets a hit.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Rangoon at 54,53

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufort I x 4
Vengeance I x 14

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
xAK Kizan Maru, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Miyadono Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Chitose Maru, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk

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RE: Firestarter - 8/16/2014 6:11:34 PM   
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Balikpapan: Not sure if JJ is using Balikpapan now but we don't have the ground troops to take it right now.
So, better to break it. Quite a few other raids go in from Miri, which is now level 6 and from Manado.

Afternoon Air attack on Balikpapan , at 64,97

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 11
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 8

No Allied losses

Oil hits 15


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RE: Firestarter - 8/16/2014 6:14:13 PM   
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Hokkaido: Nothing bad happens. Our guys are unloading at Bihoro..slowly.
Carrier bombers find some transports near Sapporo. They never seem to have troops aboard. I can't tell if Hokkaido is being reinforced or evacuated
All the carriers are out of torps now.

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Sapporo at 120,51

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 51 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 39
SBD-5 Dauntless x 13
TBF-1 Avenger x 33

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-5 Dauntless: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAK Tatuha Maru, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
xAK Borneo Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
xAK Nitiren Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
xAK Nitimei Maru, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Singapore Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
xAKL Mitsu Maru #3
xAK Tatuha Maru, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk


More near Kushiro then another raid at Sapporo (not shown)

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Kushiro at 123,53

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 34 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 8
TBF-1 Avenger x 6

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
xAKL Eiwa Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Himalaya Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires


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RE: Firestarter - 8/16/2014 6:20:22 PM   
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Skip ohn down...nothing to see here. You are getting sleepy.

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RE: Firestarter - 8/16/2014 7:09:18 PM   
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China: Absolutely MASSIVE WJD attack near Chungking. Wherh arr of rittah yarrow bastards come from

Ground combat at 76,46 (near Chungking)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 180137 troops, 1767 guns, 856 vehicles, Assault Value = 6631

Defending force 16509 troops, 149 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 709

Japanese adjusted assault: 7958

Allied adjusted defense: 424

Japanese assault odds: 18 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
10381 casualties reported
Squads: 30 destroyed, 1084 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 120 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 124 disabled
Guns lost 86 (2 destroyed, 84 disabled)
Vehicles lost 26 (1 destroyed, 25 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
7066 casualties reported
Squads: 356 destroyed, 130 disabled
Non Combat: 167 destroyed, 51 disabled
Engineers: 15 destroyed, 19 disabled
Guns lost 54 (34 destroyed, 20 disabled)
Units retreated 3

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
15th Division
3rd Division
3rd Tank Regiment
23rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
36th Division
13th Division
19th Ind.Mixed Brigade
37th Division
59th Infantry Brigade
32nd Division
35th Division
3rd Tank Division
138th Infantry Regiment
1st Ind.Inf.Group
40th Division
110th Division
9th Ind.Mixed Brigade
66th Infantry Regiment
4th Ind.Mixed Regiment
39th Division
66th Infantry Brigade
8th Armored Car Co
71st Infantry Brigade
104th/B Division
22nd Ind.Mtn Gun Battalion
21st Mortar Battalion
23rd Army
15th Ind.Medium Field Artillery Regiment
52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion
12th Army
14th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
4th Mortar Battalion
5th Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
63rd Chinese Corps
72nd Chinese Corps
67th Chinese Corps
92nd Chinese Corps

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RE: Firestarter - 8/16/2014 7:11:08 PM   
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Another pincer. If I didn't know better I would say they are trying to capture Chungking. Oh, the humanity! Think of all the crappy canned "Chinese" food we lose!

Ground combat at 77,47 (near Chungking)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 25681 troops, 184 guns, 176 vehicles, Assault Value = 947

Defending force 4211 troops, 19 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 154

Japanese adjusted assault: 1006

Allied adjusted defense: 25

Japanese assault odds: 40 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
110 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
2712 casualties reported
Squads: 150 destroyed, 64 disabled
Non Combat: 47 destroyed, 33 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 22 (11 destroyed, 11 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
12th Tank Regiment
41st Division
17th Ind.Mixed Brigade
2nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
1st Militia Regiment

Defending units:
84th Chinese Corps


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RE: RIP??? - 8/17/2014 2:33:21 AM   
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Operation Sticky Green: Never, EVER name a carrier after a battle that we actually lost.

Sub attack near Shimushiri-jima at 133,51

Japanese Ships
SS I-159, hits 6

Allied Ships
CV Bunker Hill, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Charles Ausburne
DD Foote
DD Dyson

Ammo storage explosion on CV Bunker Hill
Ammo storage explosion on CV Bunker Hill


Bunker Hill never fired a shot. Her planes never fired a shot in anger. She JUST reached the Kuriles. I think she will survive but will miss the war.


Nice shootin', Tex-san!

Oops, wrong AAR...

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RE: Firestarter - 8/17/2014 2:35:16 AM   
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According to the classic definition, the victor is the side that holds the field at the end.

In that sense the British won, but paid a high price.




Well, technically, the battle for Bunker Hill was fought on Breed's Hill anyways, so you're both wrong.

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RE: Firestarter - 8/17/2014 6:20:22 PM   
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According to the classic definition, the victor is the side that holds the field at the end.

In that sense the British won, but paid a high price.




Well, technically, the battle for Bunker Hill was fought on Breed's Hill anyways, so you're both wrong.


Actually the British would leave Boston after the Battle of "Bunker Hill" so who really held the field of battle when the smoke cleared?

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BAY-goes - 8/29/2014 4:20:30 PM   
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There is a bagel place by me that has good fresh bagels and good breakfast bagels but apparently there is a severe shortage of Jews around here..or..more likely, they are all internists and esquires.

Somewhat hilariously, the staff are all Mayan. The girls are all 5ft 1 and the guys 5 4. Hugo, Jose, Carmen, Oswaldo. Good, enthusiastic workers all but they can't say "bagel". They call them "BAY-goes". I, of course, had no trouble understanding what they were saying because this is exactly how Savina used to say "bagel". It is a laugh riot to watch the customers ask them to repeat the question "BAY-go or breakfast wrap?"

This morning I ordered a Denver bagel.

Hugo: DEN-bear?

FAM: Si, DEN-bear.

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RE: BAY-goes - 8/29/2014 4:26:49 PM   
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Several weeks ago I saw 6 mariachis in their mariachi outfits lined up hip to hip in a booth all eating double-doubles at In-and-Out. Funniest damn thing you ever saw. They were all just looking straight ahead eating their burgers not saying anything. Not an "Ay-ay-ay" among them.

I was tempted to stand by their table and sing "Down in the west Texas town of El Paso" to see if they would give me a tip.

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RE: BAY-goes - 8/29/2014 4:27:19 PM   
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Oh, yeah. A turn came in too!

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RE: BAY-goes - 8/29/2014 4:31:11 PM   
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BTW, I did not invent the name "Battle of Bunker Hill" The British did capture Bunker Hill right after Breed's Hill fell.

As a matter of fact, I'm not sure Bunker Hill was called Bunker Hill before the battle.

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RE: Firestarter - 8/29/2014 4:34:15 PM   
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Even when from the same Air HQ, fighter squadrons of different plane types will generally not act cooperatively on sweeps.


In another thread, it was stated that altitude is one of the keys to keeping aircraft together. If you set a different altitude for one group, it will not fly with the others.
This also splits up the escorting aircraft if they are not the same altitude as the strike.

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RE: BAY-goes - 8/29/2014 4:41:52 PM   
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*************July 30, 1943(c)***********

The IJN attacks with what they have left, which is evidently not very much. This is exactly what one would expect the IJN to do when two of the home islands have been invaded but we saw them coming after they ran over one of our subs by Hong Kong.

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RE: Firestarter - 8/29/2014 4:44:09 PM   
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Even when from the same Air HQ, fighter squadrons of different plane types will generally not act cooperatively on sweeps.


In another thread, it was stated that altitude is one of the keys to keeping aircraft together. If you set a different altitude for one group, it will not fly with the others.
This also splits up the escorting aircraft if they are not the same altitude as the strike.



Hmmm. I thought the AI was supposed to adjust the escorts to a couple of thousand feet over the strike aircraft? I know it sounds improbable but I think I actually read that in the manual. Of course, it might have been a dream sequence or something...or the peyote buttons.

Having the strike aircraft and escorts in the same HQ defintely helps with strike cohesion but not with sweeps..but I will have to look at the altitude idea.

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RE: Firestarter - 8/29/2014 4:50:20 PM   
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Nagasaki: P-38's flying LRCAP from Kanayo (which is now down to 38% runway damage) protect the bombers over Nagasaki. We bust up the airfield pretty good. We have quite a few heavies sitting idle because the airfield at Okinawa is only level 5 so far.

Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 56 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 1
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 3

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 8
B-24D1 Liberator x 21
P-38H Lightning x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 2 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 8
Runway hits 35


Interestingly, the B-25's arrive after the 24's even though they are from the same airfield and HQ. Speed difference???

Morning Air attack on Nagasaki/Sasebo , at 102,58

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 1
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 2

Allied aircraft
B-25C Mitchell x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIb Oscar: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 3 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 11


Then straglers blow some more stuff up.

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RE: Firestarter - 8/29/2014 4:54:50 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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Even when from the same Air HQ, fighter squadrons of different plane types will generally not act cooperatively on sweeps.


In another thread, it was stated that altitude is one of the keys to keeping aircraft together. If you set a different altitude for one group, it will not fly with the others.
This also splits up the escorting aircraft if they are not the same altitude as the strike.



Hmmm. I thought the AI was supposed to adjust the escorts to a couple of thousand feet over the strike aircraft? I know it sounds improbable but I think I actually read that in the manual. Of course, it might have been a dream sequence or something...or the peyote buttons.

Having the strike aircraft and escorts in the same HQ defintely helps with strike cohesion but not with sweeps..but I will have to look at the altitude idea.


Found it! Check out the Air Unit Coordination Guide in The War Room
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RE: Firestarter - 8/29/2014 4:56:01 PM   
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quote:

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Even when from the same Air HQ, fighter squadrons of different plane types will generally not act cooperatively on sweeps.


In another thread, it was stated that altitude is one of the keys to keeping aircraft together. If you set a different altitude for one group, it will not fly with the others.
This also splits up the escorting aircraft if they are not the same altitude as the strike.

The most important thing about altitude is not letting it abruptly change to zero. That makes the aircraft come apart every time, and is very hard on formations, too.

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RE: Firestarter - 8/29/2014 4:59:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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Even when from the same Air HQ, fighter squadrons of different plane types will generally not act cooperatively on sweeps.


In another thread, it was stated that altitude is one of the keys to keeping aircraft together. If you set a different altitude for one group, it will not fly with the others.
This also splits up the escorting aircraft if they are not the same altitude as the strike.

The most important thing about altitude is not letting it abruptly change to zero. That makes the aircraft come apart every time, and is very hard on formations, too.


CFIT

"Controlled Flight Into Terrain"

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RE: Firestarter - 8/29/2014 5:02:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake


quote:

ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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Even when from the same Air HQ, fighter squadrons of different plane types will generally not act cooperatively on sweeps.


In another thread, it was stated that altitude is one of the keys to keeping aircraft together. If you set a different altitude for one group, it will not fly with the others.
This also splits up the escorting aircraft if they are not the same altitude as the strike.

The most important thing about altitude is not letting it abruptly change to zero. That makes the aircraft come apart every time, and is very hard on formations, too.


CFIT

"Controlled Flight Into Terrain"


Until 1944 when the Japanese also have the option of CFIS ...


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RE: Firestarter - 8/29/2014 5:23:07 PM   
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You know. B-24's with P-38 escorts are just brutal. It's almost not fair.

NEVER..EVER let the Allies get within P-38 escort range of the HI in 1943.

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RE: Firestarter - 8/29/2014 5:30:13 PM   
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**************7000 ft over Kanoya, Kyushsu, 13 miles from target, 09:20, July 30, 1943(c)*********


Fright Officer Hata: Standing Stork One to base. Approach target. Prease to terr mother Fright Officer Hata fight werr!"

Base: Hai, Standing Stork! Good ruck! Standing Stork need it.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Kanoya at 102,61

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N1 Jill x 2

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IV x 2
P-38H Lightning x 11
P-40K Warhawk x 29
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 18
F4U-1 Corsair x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N1 Jill: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses


Oh dear.

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RE: Firestarter - 8/29/2014 5:34:56 PM   
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We beefed up the dive bombers at Kume-jima, anticipating an attack from the area of Shanghai. This is exactary what happen. We also sent some TBF to Hory-crappo-jima. Urukaze seems headed either to Kume-jima or Naha.

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Kume-jima at 93,61

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Allied aircraft
TBF-1 Avenger x 17

Allied aircraft losses
TBF-1 Avenger: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Urukaze


Another group north of fist target headed SE. It's easier to hit a squirming DD with SBD's

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Shanghai at 96,58

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
SBD-3 Dauntless x 25

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Usugumo, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Hagikaze, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Arare, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
5 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb GP Bomb
8 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000'


Turns out Urukaze has a friend.

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Kume-jima at 93,61

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 55 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Allied aircraft
F4U-1 Corsair x 9
SBD-5 Dauntless x 15

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-5 Dauntless: 6 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Oite
DD Urukaze, Bomb hits 1


Yet another DD group inbound toward Kanoya. We miss, but they still have to get through the PT boats and sub screen and then there are 3 surface groups waiting at Kanoya. It's a suicide mission.

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Tokara Retto at 99,60

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 64 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 20
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 26

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 2 damaged
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
DD Akebono
DD Ushio
DD Kisaragi


Quite a few dive bombers sorties are wasted on SC's in the area.

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RE: Firestarter - 8/29/2014 5:46:09 PM   
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Hokkaido: TBF's from the carriers find Chikuma again but cant hit her. Chikuma retreats westward. The SBD's pound enemy AK's in the area.

Bihoro airfield now at 50% runway damage. B-25's from Shimiseku-jima go after the airfield Kushiro which has a bunch of Bettys.

[Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Kushiro at 123,54

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 56 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 9
TBF-1 Avenger x 7

Allied aircraft losses
TBF-1 Avenger: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Chikuma

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x TBF-1 Avenger bombing from 9000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb
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RE: Firestarter - 8/29/2014 5:48:27 PM   
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Fewer and fewer WJD fighters now. Rangoon is no longer defended. Nagasaki poorly so. The end is nigh. Pretty soon it will be impossible to get oil in from Pusan or China.

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RE: BAY-goes - 8/29/2014 6:50:30 PM   
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BTW, I did not invent the name "Battle of Bunker Hill" The British did capture Bunker Hill right after Breed's Hill fell.

As a matter of fact, I'm not sure Bunker Hill was called Bunker Hill before the battle.


And they came back in 1814 and stole things from the White house. Before they burned it down of course.

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RE: Firestarter - 8/29/2014 7:59:48 PM   
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In a time of constant change, it's good to know some things stay the same.

Now, I've got about 400 pages to read.

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RE: Firestarter - 8/29/2014 9:03:02 PM   
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Now, I've got about 400 pages to read.



400? A mere trifle! That's only about 1/6th of the Affordable Care Act and the printing is WAAAAY bigger and we have rots of pictures.

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RE: Firestarter - 8/29/2014 9:54:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake


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ORIGINAL: anarchyintheuk

Now, I've got about 400 pages to read.



400? A mere trifle! That's only about 1/6th of the Affordable Care Act and the printing is WAAAAY bigger and we have rots of pictures.

Tell us you are not reading the ACA manual or your reputation is ruined!

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