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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/25/2013 12:03:07 AM   
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Damn, I try and concentrate on my own war for five minutes and you take the Kymco factory in Taiwan. Perhaps M&M could get me a sweet deal on a BMW parallel twin? Water cooled of course.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/25/2013 3:15:11 AM   
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I do confess to an irrational hatred of the AMT...no..wait..it IS rational.



I'm not sure who hates it more -- those who have to pay it, or those of us who have to compute it and explain it to the first group!

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/25/2013 1:37:35 PM   
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************Intel 5/2 to 5-14***********

Ryukyus:

4/19th Army is loaded on a Kyushu Cargo class xAK moving to Daito Shoto...oops, if there is an Army HQ on Daito Shoto it looks like we won't be landing there.
3/8th Area Army is loaded on xAK Kinjosan Maru moving to Daito Shoto Another Army HQ on this little atoll??? Doesn't make any sense.



Pretend neither of us have read any threads in 'The War Room' or copied other players tactics...

The inscrutable WJD commanders are using FOW (the concept - not me) to deceive you - they are probably using Daito Shoto as a way point for those transport TFs before heading to the real destination. As you say there is no reason to put 2 HQs on an atoll leaving no room for combat troops.
Now you could really screw with their nefarious plans by landing and capturing that atoll to throw their convoy system into disarray

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/25/2013 2:50:16 PM   
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************Intel 5/2 to 5-14***********

Ryukyus:

4/19th Army is loaded on a Kyushu Cargo class xAK moving to Daito Shoto...oops, if there is an Army HQ on Daito Shoto it looks like we won't be landing there.
3/8th Area Army is loaded on xAK Kinjosan Maru moving to Daito Shoto Another Army HQ on this little atoll??? Doesn't make any sense.



Pretend neither of us have read any threads in 'The War Room' or copied other players tactics...

The inscrutable WJD commanders are using FOW (the concept - not me) to deceive you - they are probably using Daito Shoto as a way point for those transport TFs before heading to the real destination. As you say there is no reason to put 2 HQs on an atoll leaving no room for combat troops.
Now you could really screw with their nefarious plans by landing and capturing that atoll to throw their convoy system into disarray



Hory crap! That-ah exceedingry crevah and inscrutabah at same time. Japan-mens find out where going before reave port. They say to comfort womans where going during pirrow tahk. Comfort womans hate Japan-mens so want-ah ship to sink so comfort-womans say to Portuguese missionary when priest come to give...ah...what-ah word...ah, yes, absorution, that-ah it....so missionary priest find out where Japan-mens going.

Then missionary say to Bishop of Manira where Japan-mens going. I not-ah exacatary work out how this part works. Bishop of Manira rike Protestant and Cathoric Irish whiskey so Bishop work for Miro. Miro repackages and "markets" information to Arries and Arries rearry happy.

Onry probrem is Japan-mens change where going when reave port. HAHAHA!


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The California Roll - 9/25/2013 3:02:07 PM   
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*********Miro-san's Sushi Emporium, Karenko, Formosa, May 14, 1943(c)***********


Relatively large-brestessed Japan-woman sushi chef in low cut sushi chef outfit, a small amount of eel flesh clings seductively to her left breast: <over noise of very, very busy sushi counter> Yossarian-san, we ahmost run out-ah fish.

Hirsute sushi restauranteur: Run out of fish? Santa Maria!


Relatively large-brestessed Japan-woman sushi chef in low cut sushi chef outfit, a small amount of eel flesh clings seductively to her left breast: Hai!

Hirsute sushi restauranteur: Well, here. Chop up some of these avocados and use them.

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RE: The California Roll - 9/25/2013 3:49:24 PM   
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***************May 15, 1943(c)************


Horycrappo-jima: Utoh...something inbound from the East.

Sub attack near Kume-jima at 94,64

Japanese Ships
DD Usugumo
DD Yudachi
DD Kisaragi

Allied Ships
SS Barb


The previous day's SCTF cover retired due to ammo and tonight's cover has not arrived yet. Oops.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Miyako-jima at 91,66, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Hayashio
DD Tanikaze
DD Arashio

Allied Ships
SC-643, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
SC-740, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
SC PC-1080, Shell hits 9, and is sunk


D'oh. Having a task force "docked" does not protect them in this circumstance. So noted. Looks like about 80% got ashore before the bad guys showed up.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Miyako-jima at 91,66, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Hayashio
DD Tanikaze
DD Arashio

Allied Ships
AM Dash, Shell hits 21, heavy fires, heavy damage
LCT-128, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
LCT-164, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LCT-325, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LCM 532A, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LCM 532B, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
LCM 532C, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
LCM 532D
LCM 532E, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LCM 542A, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LCM 542B, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LCM 542C, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LCM 542D, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
LCM 542E, Shell hits 1, and is sunk

Allied ground losses:
702 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 55 destroyed, 45 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 14 (12 destroyed, 2 disabled)

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RE: The California Roll - 9/25/2013 3:53:11 PM   
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We finally have enough suppries at Batan Is. for the P-38's to have drop tanks. We "drop" some Herens.

Morning Air attack on Miyako-jima , at 91,66

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 57 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 15

Allied aircraft
P-38F Lightning x 2
P-38G Lightning x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 5 destroyed, 4 damaged

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 8000 feet *
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb


Richmond and her escorts are on station... a little late. The P-38's slaughter some Kates from Okinawa.

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Miyako-jima at 91,66

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 64 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 10

Allied aircraft
P-38F Lightning x 1
P-38G Lightning x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
CL Richmond
DD Conway


Amazingly, there are some landing vessels not yet sunk at Miyako. We should finally have some supply to start building the airfield.

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Miyako-jima at 91,66

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 18

Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 3

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
AM Conflict
LST-18
LST-456


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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/25/2013 4:23:32 PM   
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Orchid Island (right offshore from Formosa): Several Betty raids on our landing craft headed for Karenko are shot up by our CAP...and then we take the place by air assault to build a fighter strip.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/25/2013 4:27:01 PM   
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Prome (the one in Burma): This is odd. It seems IJA 33rd Div was ordered to Prome after it was abandoned and captured by 50th Indian Para...and they show up just as the Commonwealth Horde crosses the Irrawaddy. 33rd Div is well and mightily wrecked.

Ground combat at Prome (55,50)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 28337 troops, 404 guns, 587 vehicles, Assault Value = 899

Defending force 12149 troops, 120 guns, 32 vehicles, Assault Value = 442

Allied adjusted assault: 1937

Japanese adjusted defense: 48

Allied assault odds: 40 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: leaders(-), disruption(-), preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
4725 casualties reported
Squads: 98 destroyed, 160 disabled
Non Combat: 87 destroyed, 56 disabled
Engineers: 11 destroyed, 29 disabled
Guns lost 65 (15 destroyed, 50 disabled)
Vehicles lost 14 (5 destroyed, 9 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Allied ground losses:
1480 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 64 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 77 disabled
Engineers: 96 destroyed, 26 disabled
Guns lost 15 (1 destroyed, 14 disabled)
Vehicles lost 34 (4 destroyed, 30 disabled)
Units pursuing 1

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
I Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
268th Motorised Brigade
6th Australian Div /5
20th Indian Division
26th Indian Brigade
2/1 AIF Pioneer Battalion
9th Australian Division
2/2 AIF Pioneer Battalion
2/3 AIF Pioneer Battalion
18th British Div /5
2/11th Field Regiment
1st Medium Regiment
2/9th Field Regiment
3rd (Special Force) Division
2/13th Field Regiment
50th Indian Para Bde /5

Defending units:
33rd Division

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/25/2013 4:37:37 PM   
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Onry probrem is Japan-mens change where going when reave port. HAHAHA!



Maybe they're going to HAHA-Jima?

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/25/2013 6:57:04 PM   
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*******Haha-jima School of Yiddish Comedy, May 15, 1943(c)***********


Jewish looking guy with Jewish-sounding name up in front of crowd: Well, well, well. Welcome everyone to the 18th Army first annual team building exercise on Haha-jima. <stone silence> Wow, tough crowd. You guys must be from Jersey <drum cue, then stone silence>. Ah, I've got a million of 'em. Boy, I tell ya', is this Haha-jima out of the way or not? I just flew in from Eniweetok and my arms are KILLING me. <drum cue...........nothing....beads of Nixonian sweat break out Jewish guys upper lip>

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/25/2013 8:15:52 PM   
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Nixonian sweat....




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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/26/2013 12:54:26 AM   
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I didn't realize tricky Dick ever broke a sweat.....before that tape thing anyway. That's why he had Henry.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/26/2013 3:38:03 AM   
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I didn't realize tricky Dick ever broke a sweat.....before that tape thing anyway. That's why he had Henry.



Oh yes, he was an epically prodigious upper lip sweat producer. The fact that he had sweat balls the size of Lake Erie during the televised Nixon-Kennedy debate is often cited as a reason for Kennedy's victory.

Personally, I suspect it was Kennedy's confidence, humor, wit and the fact that his wife was way better looking that did it.

By ra way, I think I was alive but do not remember the Kennedy-Nixon debates.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/26/2013 3:41:34 AM   
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Nixon is said to have watched Deep Throat 3 times before he could get it........oh never mind.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/26/2013 3:15:36 PM   
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I watched the replay. As usual, it ticked me off. USS Richmond and her 3 DD's were 40 miles from Horycrappo-jima chasing a sub contact when the WJD DD's were shooting up our LCM's.

Here is another problem. The DD's will expend their main gun ammo during air attacks so, after a day on station at Horycrappo-jima, they are no good for night defense and have to go back to Altimonan to rearm. The LST at Horycrappo-jima with 650 SeaBees was undiscovered. We just need some undisrupted engineers and 1000 supply and we can get to a level 1 strip. This is proving to be a costly goal.

Lots of red splotches spotted in the East China Sea. Probably, Kirishima is coming back.

We need to get an AD up to Batan Is, which is nearly at its sinking point with troops.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/26/2013 3:33:47 PM   
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I decided to send USS Barnes, which had just reached Sydney and USS Maryland, which was West of Fiji back to Hawaii to help with the Kurile/Sakhalin attack.

That makes the major naval assets now

Essex
3 x CVE
Maryland for bombardment duties
Indiana

Not very intimidating but I expect Kirishima, Kongo, Soryu and the CVL will be tasked with defending Okinawa.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/26/2013 3:40:48 PM   
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I watched the replay. As usual, it ticked me off. USS Richmond and her 3 DD's were 40 miles from Horycrappo-jima chasing a sub contact when the WJD DD's were shooting up our LCM's.

Here is another problem. The DD's will expend their main gun ammo during air attacks so, after a day on station at Horycrappo-jima, they are no good for night defense and have to go back to Altimonan to rearm. The LST at Horycrappo-jima with 650 SeaBees was undiscovered. We just need some undisrupted engineers and 1000 supply and we can get to a level 1 strip. This is proving to be a costly goal.

Lots of red splotches spotted in the East China Sea. Probably, Kirishima is coming back.

We need to get an AD up to Batan Is, which is nearly at its sinking point with troops.

Why were they chasing a sub contact if they were set to surface combat?

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/26/2013 3:55:29 PM   
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I watched the replay. As usual, it ticked me off. USS Richmond and her 3 DD's were 40 miles from Horycrappo-jima chasing a sub contact when the WJD DD's were shooting up our LCM's.

Here is another problem. The DD's will expend their main gun ammo during air attacks so, after a day on station at Horycrappo-jima, they are no good for night defense and have to go back to Altimonan to rearm. The LST at Horycrappo-jima with 650 SeaBees was undiscovered. We just need some undisrupted engineers and 1000 supply and we can get to a level 1 strip. This is proving to be a costly goal.

Lots of red splotches spotted in the East China Sea. Probably, Kirishima is coming back.

We need to get an AD up to Batan Is, which is nearly at its sinking point with troops.

Why were they chasing a sub contact if they were set to surface combat?


Well, they were attacked first and I think it made them mad.

Pretend I didn't read the manual. Does the game engine "penalize" the forward movement of a SCTF when they encounter and are attacked by an enemy sub? It sure seems to.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/26/2013 5:27:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake


quote:

ORIGINAL: Disco Duck


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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

I watched the replay. As usual, it ticked me off. USS Richmond and her 3 DD's were 40 miles from Horycrappo-jima chasing a sub contact when the WJD DD's were shooting up our LCM's.

Here is another problem. The DD's will expend their main gun ammo during air attacks so, after a day on station at Horycrappo-jima, they are no good for night defense and have to go back to Altimonan to rearm. The LST at Horycrappo-jima with 650 SeaBees was undiscovered. We just need some undisrupted engineers and 1000 supply and we can get to a level 1 strip. This is proving to be a costly goal.

Lots of red splotches spotted in the East China Sea. Probably, Kirishima is coming back.

We need to get an AD up to Batan Is, which is nearly at its sinking point with troops.

Why were they chasing a sub contact if they were set to surface combat?


Well, they were attacked first and I think it made them mad.

Pretend I didn't read the manual. Does the game engine "penalize" the forward movement of a SCTF when they encounter and are attacked by an enemy sub? It sure seems to.



I believe the rationale is that they are using up OPs points prosecuting the sub encounter.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/26/2013 6:00:20 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake


quote:

ORIGINAL: Disco Duck


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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

I watched the replay. As usual, it ticked me off. USS Richmond and her 3 DD's were 40 miles from Horycrappo-jima chasing a sub contact when the WJD DD's were shooting up our LCM's.

Here is another problem. The DD's will expend their main gun ammo during air attacks so, after a day on station at Horycrappo-jima, they are no good for night defense and have to go back to Altimonan to rearm. The LST at Horycrappo-jima with 650 SeaBees was undiscovered. We just need some undisrupted engineers and 1000 supply and we can get to a level 1 strip. This is proving to be a costly goal.

Lots of red splotches spotted in the East China Sea. Probably, Kirishima is coming back.

We need to get an AD up to Batan Is, which is nearly at its sinking point with troops.

Why were they chasing a sub contact if they were set to surface combat?


Well, they were attacked first and I think it made them mad.

Pretend I didn't read the manual. Does the game engine "penalize" the forward movement of a SCTF when they encounter and are attacked by an enemy sub? It sure seems to.



I think it's possible that SCTFs or other TFs that dilly-dally around with I-boats 'use up' some of their movemement turns.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/26/2013 6:03:40 PM   
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Personally, I suspect it was Kennedy's confidence, humor, wit and the fact that his wife was way better looking that did it.



Well, yes. But you're forgetting his epic reputation for philandering and the Chicago 'machine' backing.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/26/2013 6:04:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HansBolter


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake


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ORIGINAL: Disco Duck


quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

I watched the replay. As usual, it ticked me off. USS Richmond and her 3 DD's were 40 miles from Horycrappo-jima chasing a sub contact when the WJD DD's were shooting up our LCM's.

Here is another problem. The DD's will expend their main gun ammo during air attacks so, after a day on station at Horycrappo-jima, they are no good for night defense and have to go back to Altimonan to rearm. The LST at Horycrappo-jima with 650 SeaBees was undiscovered. We just need some undisrupted engineers and 1000 supply and we can get to a level 1 strip. This is proving to be a costly goal.

Lots of red splotches spotted in the East China Sea. Probably, Kirishima is coming back.

We need to get an AD up to Batan Is, which is nearly at its sinking point with troops.

Why were they chasing a sub contact if they were set to surface combat?


Well, they were attacked first and I think it made them mad.

Pretend I didn't read the manual. Does the game engine "penalize" the forward movement of a SCTF when they encounter and are attacked by an enemy sub? It sure seems to.



I believe the rationale is that they are using up OPs points prosecuting the sub encounter.


And a perfectly reasonable rationale that would be. It makes real world sense. It seems, empirically, to happen in the game but I wasn't sure if it was one my imagined mythologies of AE or was really implemented.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/26/2013 6:22:05 PM   
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Personally, I suspect it was Kennedy's confidence, humor, wit and the fact that his wife was way better looking that did it.



Well, yes. But you're forgetting his epic reputation for philandering and the Chicago 'machine' backing.



Read "Paddywhacked" for a better idea of what the Kennedy's really were like. The Media just liked them better. Camelot my big foot.

http://www.amazon.com/Paddy-Whacked-Untold-American-Gangster/dp/0060590033/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1380215927&sr=8-1&keywords=paddywhacked

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/26/2013 6:50:40 PM   
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Well, you have a good looking, young, trust fund guy who has been told he was a master of the universe since he was 3....vs.....this sweaty, floppy-necked ex Quaker who wore white socks and wing tips and bermuda shorts when he walked on the beach and who was really, really good friends with Bebe Rebozo, not that there is anything wrong with that.


Kennedy used to have interns brought to him while he was swimming in the WH indoor pool. Not much like Camelot as far as we know. More like Merovich riding around the Frankish villages and picking out the good-looking virgins.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/26/2013 7:06:50 PM   
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In what way was JFK unlike Wilt Chamberlain

1) Shorter

2) Whiter

3) Didn't keep track

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/26/2013 7:09:47 PM   
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Remind to find PT-109 when I get home.

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/26/2013 7:12:52 PM   
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I thought it sank?

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/26/2013 7:37:20 PM   
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I thought it sank?


So, it must be found!

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RE: Odin, up close and personal - 9/27/2013 3:27:49 AM   
Wargmr


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I read the whole thing... and loved it!!

Keep up the good work on the worst AAR in history!

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