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RE: Sturm und drang - 3/30/2013 6:07:15 PM   
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It almost sounds like you're asking a serious question?



My dear sir. Please note the Capn's request for input from ALSP-the Lord Admiral himself. If he wanted input from the likes of us, he'd ask for the opinion of the peanut gallery / rabble / tittering monkeys.

*snicker* "tittering"...

Ah! So what is ALSP? You mean it's not "All Loyal Strategizing Persons"?

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RE: Sturm und drang - 3/30/2013 6:44:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: witpqs

It almost sounds like you're asking a serious question?



My dear sir. Please note the Capn's request for input from ALSP-the Lord Admiral himself. If he wanted input from the likes of us, he'd ask for the opinion of the peanut gallery / rabble / tittering monkeys.

*snicker* "tittering"...

Ah! So what is ALSP? You mean it's not "All Loyal Strategizing Persons"?


Admiral Lord SPrior. [Shakes head...]



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RE: Sturm und drang - 3/30/2013 7:41:22 PM   
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I just realized by looking back at the March 25 turn that there is already an Indian division and a separate brigade on the move from Akyab.


Also there are 2 armourd brigades and one Indian infantry division moving from Kalmeyo.


I dictated this post with Dragon dictation.

Educate imagine it is not very good with Indiana and Bernice placed names


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RE: Sturm und drang - 3/30/2013 8:11:28 PM   
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It almost sounds like you're asking a serious question?



My dear sir. Please note the Capn's request for input from ALSP-the Lord Admiral himself. If he wanted input from the likes of us, he'd ask for the opinion of the peanut gallery / rabble / tittering monkeys.

*snicker* "tittering"...

Ah! So what is ALSP? You mean it's not "All Loyal Strategizing Persons"?


Admiral Lord SPrior. [Shakes head...]



Oh. But I thought he was "Grand Admiral High Lord of the Seas and All of Space His Most Esteemed Beloved Beneficent Most Cool Dude and All-Around Good Guy SPrior"?

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RE: Sturm und drang - 3/30/2013 10:31:07 PM   
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Dr. Seuss does a stint with the FBI.

Rook rike they going to San Diego. Better send something from Barstow.


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RE: Sturm und drang - 3/31/2013 12:57:33 AM   
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RE: Sturm und drang - 3/31/2013 4:34:25 AM   
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Personally, I always love the way a cadre of stenographers follows this little fat boy around. As if any utterance or observation of his is worthy of immortalization or action.

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RE: Sturm und drang - 3/31/2013 4:45:15 AM   
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Personally, I always love the way a cadre of stenographers follows this little fat boy around. As if any utterance or observation of his is worthy of immortalization or action.

Here they are called 'journalists'.

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RE: Sturm und drang - 4/1/2013 8:03:56 PM   
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What Jack really thinks to it all




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RE: Sturm und drang - 4/1/2013 9:33:39 PM   
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Why, it's First Lord of the Admiralty, is it not?

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RE: Sturm und drang - 4/1/2013 10:04:31 PM   
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Santa Maria!

Just looked the turn file. There is a LYB multiple carrier taffy and transports bearing down on Oahu from about 9 hexes out!

All we have there are a Brewster training squadron, float planes and 12 P-40B's

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RE: Sturm und drang - 4/1/2013 10:33:16 PM   
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Looks like April Fools! Come to think of it, faking a Pearl invasion while the Allies are invading the Philippines is a great April Fools idea, if you can time the turns right.

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RE: Sturm und drang - 4/2/2013 2:55:26 AM   
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I came across this and thought the... ummm... gentlemen... who frequent this thread might find it amusing.

http://www.ffunny.com/update/funny/call-a-professional

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RE: Sturm und drang - 4/2/2013 5:45:27 PM   
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RE: Sturm und drang - 4/2/2013 6:53:01 PM   
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27th March 1943.

Finally..

Amphibious Assault at Ramree Island (54,48)

TF 195 troops unloading over beach at Ramree Island, 54,48


Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


10 troops of a Ind Inf Section lost from landing craft during unload of 48th Gurkha Bde


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Amphibious Assault at Ramree Island (54,48)

TF 204 troops unloading over beach at Ramree Island, 54,48


Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


12 troops of a Ind Inf Section 43 lost from landing craft during unload of 16th Indian Bde


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RE: Sturm und drang - 4/2/2013 6:55:11 PM   
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Meanwhile Operation Tony:

Pre-Invasion action off Port Blair (46,58)

74 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB New Mexico
DD Hotspur
DD Van Galen
xAP Van Imhoff

Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


BB New Mexico firing at 56th Infantry Regiment
DD Hotspur firing at 56th Infantry Regiment
DD Van Galen firing at 56th Infantry Regiment
DD Hotspur fired at enemy troops
DD Van Galen fired at enemy troops
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 6,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards

Amphibious Assault at Port Blair (46,58)

TF 206 troops unloading over beach at Port Blair, 46,58


Allied ground losses:
32 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)


3.7" Mk II AA Gun damaged beyond repair during unload of 120th RAF Base Force /1
40mm Bofors AA Gun lost in surf during unload of 120th RAF Base Force /1
3.7" Mk II AA Gun lost in surf during unload of 120th RAF Base Force
12 troops of a Ind Inf Section 42 lost overboard during unload of 45th Indian Bde /3


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Invasion Support action off Port Blair (46,58) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

44 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
BB New Mexico
DD Hotspur
xAP Van Imhoff
DD Van Galen

Japanese ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


BB New Mexico firing at 56th Infantry Regiment
1st Provisional Base Force firing at DD Hotspur
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards

Ground combat at Port Blair (46,58)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3493 troops, 38 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 156

Defending force 1913 troops, 36 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 112



Assaulting units:
56th Infantry Regiment
1st Provisional Base Force

Defending units:
45th Indian Bde /2
44th Indian Bde /4
13th Indian Light AA Rgt /3
173 Wing /1
120th RAF Base Force /2


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RE: Sturm und drang - 4/2/2013 6:57:17 PM   
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JJ's fly boys get lucky early:

Morning Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 53,48

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 68 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5M1 Mabel x 6
G3M3 Nell x 10
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 17
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 44



Allied aircraft
Sea Hurricane Ib x 10
Martlet II x 23
Martlet IV x 17
Beaufighter VIc x 11
F4F-4 Wildcat x 12


Japanese aircraft losses
B5M1 Mabel: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
B5M1 Mabel: 1 destroyed by flak
G3M3 Nell: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter VIc: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Victorious
CA Cornwall
CVL Hermes, Torpedo hits 3, heavy damage


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RE: Sturm und drang - 4/2/2013 7:01:24 PM   
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After that it's downhill all the way:

Morning Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 53,48

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 73 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 13



Allied aircraft
Sea Hurricane Ib x 9
Martlet II x 16
Martlet IV x 11
Beaufighter VIc x 6
F4F-4 Wildcat x 12


Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 2 destroyed

No Allied losses

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 53,48

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 49 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 18 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M3 Nell x 5
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 6
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 19



Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 10
Martlet IV x 13
Beaufighter VIc x 1


Japanese aircraft losses
G3M3 Nell: 2 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Martlet II: 1 destroyed
Martlet IV: 2 destroyed

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ramree Island at 53,47

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5M1 Mabel x 3
D3A1 Val x 3



Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 16


Japanese aircraft losses
B5M1 Mabel: 1 destroyed
D3A1 Val: 2 destroyed

No Allied losses



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RE: Sturm und drang - 4/2/2013 7:12:21 PM   
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After that it's downhill all the way:


Meh. I'd take the loss of 8 aircraft (net=5) in exchange for likely mortal damage to Hermes.

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RE: Sturm und drang - 4/2/2013 10:49:11 PM   
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More dock space at Colombo. It might have been Vicky. Plus the first day of the landing at Port Blair went well. No mines, no shore guns. No aircraft.

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RE: Sturm und drang - 4/2/2013 10:53:36 PM   
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Also this before the aircraft. Crippled Rajput is picked on mercilessly. I-32 get the shake and bake treatment.

Submarine attack near Akyab at 52,46

Japanese Ships
SS I-30

Allied Ships
xAP Rajput, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


xAP Rajput is sighted by SS I-30
SS I-30 launches 6 torpedoes


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Sub attack near Ramree Island at 54,48

Japanese Ships
SS I-32, hits 19, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Encounter
DD Fortune


And then she surfaces and a Dutch boat puts a fish in her.

Sub vs Sub: SS KXII attacking SS I-32 at 52,49 - near Ramree Island

Japanese Ships
SS I-32, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS KXII



SS KXII launches 2 torpedoes at 3,000 yards


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RE: Sturm und drang - 4/2/2013 11:09:37 PM   
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Meanwhile, in the Phirripines...

The Bettys take off early. This might be the biggest Betty raid of the war. They plow into the "main body" moving North near San Jose. Not a single plane from San Jose offers aid. Oh wel...turned out well. The CAP is from Wasp and the 3 CVE's. All the TBF's have been left ashore to make room for fighters.

Morning Air attack on TF, near San Jose at 77,84

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 60
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 11



Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 21
F4F-4 Wildcat x 94


Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 6 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 4 destroyed

No Allied losses



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RE: Sturm und drang - 4/2/2013 11:32:32 PM   
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Legaspi/Naga (SE Luzon): I promise this wasn't gamey. There were DD's and transports too. The CAP from the two adjacent level one airfields co-operate. Nice, nice, very nice.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Legaspi at 82,82

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 5
D3A2 Val x 18



Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 7
Hurricane XIIb x 5
P-39D Airacobra x 17
P-40K Warhawk x 22


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed
D3A2 Val: 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
PT-259
PT-255



Aircraft Attacking:
2 x D3A2 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
3 x D3A2 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb


An AK trying to get some suppries (rooks rike about 10,000 rounds of 105 mm ammo) to Naga...oops..All of the fighters are protecting the PT boats.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Naga at 81,81

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 27
D3A2 Val x 22



No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
xAK Mernoo, Bomb hits 9, and is sunk



Aircraft Attacking:
8 x D3A2 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
12 x D3A2 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
2 x D3A2 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Massive explosion on xAK Mernoo


Sallys with a luxurious escort go after the little grass strip at Legaspi. These fighters should have been with the Bettys.

Morning Air attack on Legaspi , at 82,82

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 58 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 13
Ki-43-IIa Oscar x 20
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 20
Ki-61-Ia Tony x 9



Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 3
Hurricane XIIb x 5
P-39D Airacobra x 15
P-40K Warhawk x 13


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-43-IIa Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-61-Ia Tony: 2 destroyed

No Allied losses



Runway hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb


Now Herens with 20 Tojos. They REARRY want to close down Legaspi.

Morning Air attack on Legaspi , at 82,82

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 54 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 20
Ki-49-IIa Helen x 29



Allied aircraft
Spitfire Vc Trop x 2
Hurricane XIIb x 5
P-39D Airacobra x 8
P-40K Warhawk x 12


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 7 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 3 destroyed



Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 8000 feet
Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb


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RE: Sturm und drang - 4/2/2013 11:45:45 PM   
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Clark: Looks like our B-24's passed the Bettys in the air.

Morning Air attack on Clark Field , at 79,76

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 44 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 6
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 25
Ki-61-Ia Tony x 6



Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 27


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 5 damaged



Airbase hits 7
Runway hits 4


The B-24's from Jolo are even less effective.

Morning Air attack on Clark Field , at 79,76

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 62 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 21 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 3
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 15
Ki-61-Ia Tony x 4



Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 9
B-24D1 Liberator x 10


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 2 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 4 damaged



Runway hits 1

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RE: Sturm und drang - 4/3/2013 12:07:52 AM   
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Back over by the carriers: I don't know yet if this was a carrier strike. Most likely.

Morning Air attack on TF, near San Jose at 77,84

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 32 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 7
A6M3a Zero x 9
B5N1 Kate x 8
B5N2 Kate x 13



Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 20
F4F-4 Wildcat x 85


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 2 destroyed
A6M3a Zero: 3 destroyed
B5N1 Kate: 3 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 10 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 destroyed


Afternoon Betty strike

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near San Jose at 77,84

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 20
G4M1 Betty x 9
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 3



Allied aircraft
Martlet II x 15
F4F-4 Wildcat x 67


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3a Zero: 2 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 4 destroyed


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RE: Sturm und drang - 4/3/2013 2:38:58 PM   
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What it looked like on replay. Interestingly, the Vals were not coming from a carrier as far as I can make out. No attack on IJN carriers because we were exactly 8 hexes away.

Also this, 40 bombers sorties by Jap carriers (all Kates) is quite anemic. I dont think that is a fleet carrier.




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RE: Sturm und drang - 4/3/2013 3:04:50 PM   
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What it looked like on replay. Interestingly, the Vals were not coming from a carrier as far as I can make out. No attack on IJN carriers because we were exactly 8 hexes away.



Cap'n-any further identification on the origin of the Val unit? It could be either an LBA unit or a 'bought' air wing from a sunk carrier. The latter would take some time to become available in the cue again-1 year IIRC. That's about right, given your bloodbath(s) in and around New Scotland and New (and Improved) Hebrides.

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RE: Sturm und drang - 4/3/2013 3:27:07 PM   
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They are D3A2's if that matters.

Fairly capable drivers. 20% hit rate of undamaged DD's doing figure-of-eights at 30 kts. 40% hit rate on an unescorted AK. 40 morning Val sorites. Fewer of them now than existed at the start of the turn.

D3A1's in Burma.

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RE: Sturm und drang - 4/3/2013 11:45:22 PM   
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RE: Sturm und drang - 4/4/2013 4:16:43 PM   
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Those extra ribbons are for killing the last guy that asked why they have extra ribbons.

There is this too. The people on the PRK are eating grass and bark and and there is enough material in those caps to make a bedspread.

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