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RE: Sun Damage - 12/10/2012 9:12:38 PM   
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Let's see..2 regiments at Anchorage. One regiment at Dutch Harbor. One regiment or maybe just a Ranger Bn at Adak, I think.

4 Regiments on Oahu.

3 Regiments marching on Manado (I think at least 2 are Army)

3 Regiments beseiging Sorong (at least 1 Army)

Regimental garrisons at Saumlaki, Boela, Namlea and Ternate

32nd ID at Port Hedrand (pretty well wrecked)

I think we lost a regiment in New Scotland..mayb the HQ got out?

Now, Fort Ord is just crawling wtih GI's but they are preventing a surprise landing at Psimo Beach.


Are your infantry units still largely in regimental sections at this stage of the war? Haven't you recombined your component parts into a genuine bonafide triangular infantry division yet, mate?

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RE: Sun Damage - 12/10/2012 9:13:31 PM   
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2. What's the status of JJ's CAs?


Woof!





Ouch! Nice shootin' Tex.

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RE: Sun Damage - 12/10/2012 9:36:33 PM   
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Let's see..2 regiments at Anchorage. One regiment at Dutch Harbor. One regiment or maybe just a Ranger Bn at Adak, I think.

4 Regiments on Oahu.

3 Regiments marching on Manado (I think at least 2 are Army)

3 Regiments beseiging Sorong (at least 1 Army)

Regimental garrisons at Saumlaki, Boela, Namlea and Ternate

32nd ID at Port Hedrand (pretty well wrecked)

I think we lost a regiment in New Scotland..mayb the HQ got out?

Now, Fort Ord is just crawling wtih GI's but they are preventing a surprise landing at Psimo Beach.


Are your infantry units still largely in regimental sections at this stage of the war? Haven't you recombined your component parts into a genuine bonafide triangular infantry division yet, mate?


Only 32nd ID is "reformed". The chaotic fighting in New Scotland and new Fiji never permitted it and now they have been pushed forward as fast as possible via regiment to preserve the pace of operations. Several regiments were chewed up on New Scotland and New Fiji, so instead of weakening the division, I left the rebuilding regimetnt behind a a big base to come up later

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RE: Sun Damage - 12/10/2012 9:47:27 PM   
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Only 32nd ID is "reformed". The chaotic fighting in New Scotland and new Fiji never permitted it and now they have been pushed forward as fast as possible via regiment to preserve the pace of operations. Several regiments were chewed up on New Scotland and New Fiji, so instead of weakening the division, I left the rebuilding regimetnt behind a a big base to come up later


Eek. While 'strike while the iron is hot' and so on is generally good practice, it sounds like you really need to stand down offensive operations while you sort out your ground forces.

I've had a feeling that you've been running on the ragged edge of overreach for a while now.

What are you device/squad/etc pools like? If you have the devices to bring your front-line formations up to strength I encourage you to stand down, form divisions, and prep for future objectives while they rest.

Edit: fixed typo.

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RE: Sun Damage - 12/10/2012 10:54:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Let's see..2 regiments at Anchorage. One regiment at Dutch Harbor. One regiment or maybe just a Ranger Bn at Adak, I think.

4 Regiments on Oahu.

3 Regiments marching on Manado (I think at least 2 are Army)

3 Regiments beseiging Sorong (at least 1 Army)

Regimental garrisons at Saumlaki, Boela, Namlea and Ternate

32nd ID at Port Hedrand (pretty well wrecked)

I think we lost a regiment in New Scotland..mayb the HQ got out?

Now, Fort Ord is just crawling wtih GI's but they are preventing a surprise landing at Psimo Beach.


Are your infantry units still largely in regimental sections at this stage of the war? Haven't you recombined your component parts into a genuine bonafide triangular infantry division yet, mate?


Only 32nd ID is "reformed". The chaotic fighting in New Scotland and new Fiji never permitted it and now they have been pushed forward as fast as possible via regiment to preserve the pace of operations. Several regiments were chewed up on New Scotland and New Fiji, so instead of weakening the division, I left the rebuilding regimetnt behind a a big base to come up later


Fighting as regiments instead of divisions really chews them up fast.


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RE: Sun Damage - 12/11/2012 1:57:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Let's see..2 regiments at Anchorage. One regiment at Dutch Harbor. One regiment or maybe just a Ranger Bn at Adak, I think.

4 Regiments on Oahu.

3 Regiments marching on Manado (I think at least 2 are Army)

3 Regiments beseiging Sorong (at least 1 Army)

Regimental garrisons at Saumlaki, Boela, Namlea and Ternate

32nd ID at Port Hedrand (pretty well wrecked)

I think we lost a regiment in New Scotland..mayb the HQ got out?

Now, Fort Ord is just crawling wtih GI's but they are preventing a surprise landing at Psimo Beach.


Are your infantry units still largely in regimental sections at this stage of the war? Haven't you recombined your component parts into a genuine bonafide triangular infantry division yet, mate?


Only 32nd ID is "reformed". The chaotic fighting in New Scotland and new Fiji never permitted it and now they have been pushed forward as fast as possible via regiment to preserve the pace of operations. Several regiments were chewed up on New Scotland and New Fiji, so instead of weakening the division, I left the rebuilding regimetnt behind a a big base to come up later


Fighting as regiments instead of divisions really chews them up fast.



Plus it is cheaper to have one MGEN with great stats than 3 reg col/bgens with great stats ...

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RE: Sun Damage - 12/11/2012 5:38:53 AM   
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Crackaces,

Do you have some opinion as to what constitutes a 'good' MGEN for WWII(c)? In other words, what constitutes the model of a modern Major General? Do you have it?

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RE: Sun Damage - 12/11/2012 6:28:08 AM   
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Crackaces,

Do you have some opinion as to what constitutes a 'good' MGEN for WWII(c)? In other words, what constitutes the model of a modern Major General? Do you have it?

Well, I think he has to be a tenor, and be able to sing really, really fast, and love Gilbert and Sullivan operettas. Admirals just need to be "knob polishers".

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RE: Sun Damage - 12/11/2012 10:28:39 AM   
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RE: Sun Damage - 12/11/2012 2:50:35 PM   
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Crackaces,

Do you have some opinion as to what constitutes a 'good' MGEN for WWII(c)? In other words, what constitutes the model of a modern Major General? Do you have it?


I realize you are being funny ... but my point is that assuming the small sub-unit commanders start with horrible stats, combining the units first and spending the maximum PP's for one a large unit commander with great stats Land/Aggressiveness/admin/ and MGEN's as a whole have the highest PP costs is cheaper [mostly true I do find one LTC assigned with poor stats that costs 6 PP's and not shown here but MGEN Vassey is 25 PP's] than spending PP's to replace the smaller units. Thus combine the units with poor commanders and then replace one commander rather than pay for three small unit commanders. On a per division basis this adds up to a significant PP savings. Enough to buy out a coastal defense unit or a arty unit ..

My point was not saying MGEN's are more significant than BGEN's as it does not matter .. my point was that even the highest PP cost for one MGEN worse case with the exception of Vassey is better than the costs of 3 small unit commanders ... Now quite possibly these costs might be paid again when the units are combined ...




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RE: Sun Damage - 12/11/2012 5:10:44 PM   
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Admirals just need to be "knob polishers".


There's nothing wrong with a well polished knob.

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RE: Sun Damage - 12/11/2012 5:17:52 PM   
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it sounds like you really need to stand down offensive operations while you sort out your ground forces.


Why would he need to do that when he has the Commonwealth to call upon for help?




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RE: Sun Damage - 12/11/2012 6:07:54 PM   
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I got your point originally Crackaces, but I am not sure the answer is a single set of stats. I prioritize the qualities I want in the order:
Aggression - Land Skill - Leadership - Inspiration - Administration, but I want some balance as opposed to very high skills in the first two and sucks at everything else.
The best mix depends a bit on the type of unit - very high aggression for the commander of paratroops and raiders, somewhat less so for tanks and infantry. Don't want them doing banzai charges into the teeth of A/T guns or machine guns respectively.
Artillery unit leaders - much lower aggression and very good land skill.
Combat engineers - very high land skill, high agression, excellent inspiration - these guys have to crawl under fire to place their demolitions.
I would require some Naval Skill for the commander of an Amphib Corps, since his job is to coordinate landings, not battle.

Looks like this could be a War Room discussion, although the G&S references fit with the World's Wackiest AAR theme here!

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RE: Sun Damage - 12/11/2012 6:11:35 PM   
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it sounds like you really need to stand down offensive operations while you sort out your ground forces.


Why would he need to do that when he has the Commonwealth to call upon for help?




Sprior - where did you get that! I want some already for my Grandsons. And how did one guy end up with a black helmet? Is he part of a tunneling crew?

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RE: Sun Damage - 12/11/2012 6:17:31 PM   
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it sounds like you really need to stand down offensive operations while you sort out your ground forces.


Why would he need to do that when he has the Commonwealth to call upon for help?




Which one is Dr. Who?

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RE: Sun Damage - 12/11/2012 6:21:11 PM   
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I got your point originally Crackaces, but I am not sure the answer is a single set of stats. I prioritize the qualities I want in the order:
Aggression - Land Skill - Leadership - Inspiration - Administration, but I want some balance as opposed to very high skills in the first two and sucks at everything else.


At least in my game .. the original unit commanders except for some USMC units suck at everything and had to be replaced ... I am not debating what makes a good commander .. I am simply pointing out that replacing a large unit commander with very few exceptions is cheaper than replacing 3 small unit comanders that with very few exceptions has to be done at the expense of taking in the shorts on some atoll ..

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RE: Sun Damage - 12/11/2012 7:28:59 PM   
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it sounds like you really need to stand down offensive operations while you sort out your ground forces.


Why would he need to do that when he has the Commonwealth to call upon for help?




Which one is Dr. Who?


Why does the guy on the left have Bell's palsy?

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RE: Sun Damage - 12/11/2012 7:50:38 PM   
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RE: Sun Damage - 12/11/2012 9:22:14 PM   
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Are the legs hinged, so they can bend over? Seems like they would be Navy guys....

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RE: Sun Damage - 12/11/2012 9:23:40 PM   
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Sorry if that was too much....

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RE: Sun Damage - 12/11/2012 10:15:39 PM   
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Only 32nd ID is "reformed". The chaotic fighting in New Scotland and new Fiji never permitted it and now they have been pushed forward as fast as possible via regiment to preserve the pace of operations. Several regiments were chewed up on New Scotland and New Fiji, so instead of weakening the division, I left the rebuilding regimetnt behind a a big base to come up later


Eek. While 'strike while the iron is hot' and so on is generally good practice, it sounds like you really need to stand down offensive operations while you sort out your ground forces.

I've had a feeling that you've been running on the ragged edge of overreach for a while now.



Yes, but the frequent corollary of "being on the ragged edge" is the opponent may also be on the ragged edge.

The seizure of Dobo was a bit of overreach because the LYB counterattack wrecked 503rd PIR..but we had spirited lads to take their place...plus....in the end JJ lost 15,000 soldiers in a naval disaster and had 1 1/2 divisions trappped on Dobo. We also sank several dozen transports. On balance, it was a big victory for us. There is also the added flexibility of regiments over divisions.

Also, the troops that took Darwin were at full TO&E and the regiments at Sorong and Sulawese are at 90% full strength.

Curiously, the three regiments marching on Manado are all 37th ID. Am I missing something? I am not permitted to reform them. It might be a few 2 1/2 ton trucks and some mobile field kitchens that wouldn't unload? Pretend I ddin't read the manual.

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What are you device/squad/etc pools like? If you have the devices to bring your front-line formations up to strength I encourage you to stand down, form divisions, and prep for future objectives while they rest.


Beats me. I don't know where to look. They are probably in one of the bathroom drawers with my Allen wrenches that I cant find.





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RE: Sun Damage - 12/11/2012 10:29:28 PM   
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it sounds like you really need to stand down offensive operations while you sort out your ground forces.


Why would he need to do that when he has the Commonwealth to call upon for help?


Just so you know, the scuttlebut in the ranks of 32nd ID is they always seemed to take 90% of the casualties in every dust-up at Port Hedrand.

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RE: Sun Damage - 12/11/2012 10:42:17 PM   
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Sorry if that was too much....


Nah, you just meant they would have to bow if the King came by for inspection, right?

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RE: Sun Damage - 12/12/2012 4:03:43 AM   
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Am I missing something?


Quite probably.

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I am not permitted to reform them. It might be a few 2 1/2 ton trucks and some mobile field kitchens that wouldn't unload? Pretend I ddin't read the manual.


You may have a fragment elsewhere that has not unloaded or got left behind at some "New..." something or other base. Alternatively, they may be in different movement modes (they should all be in combat mode, not 'move' or 'strat' to combine).

Another more insidious possibility exists-that some were allowed to upgrade their kit and others were left with their pre-war Springfield rifles, doughboy helmets and American insignia without the 'wings'. Newly upgraded units don't like mixing with the hired help and will refuse to rejoin.

Check your TOE for the three regiments. Are they all set up identically?


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RE: Sun Damage - 12/12/2012 6:43:38 AM   
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Am I missing something?


Quite probably.

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I am not permitted to reform them. It might be a few 2 1/2 ton trucks and some mobile field kitchens that wouldn't unload? Pretend I ddin't read the manual.


You may have a fragment elsewhere that has not unloaded or got left behind at some "New..." something or other base. Alternatively, they may be in different movement modes (they should all be in combat mode, not 'move' or 'strat' to combine).

Another more insidious possibility exists-that some were allowed to upgrade their kit and others were left with their pre-war Springfield rifles, doughboy helmets and American insignia without the 'wings'. Newly upgraded units don't like mixing with the hired help and will refuse to rejoin.

Check your TOE for the three regiments. Are they all set up identically?




They DO have fragments left behind (trucks and field kitchens and Father O'Brien's mobile Communionmobile in a GMC). They ARE in "move" mode. Also one of the regiments upgraded to winterized tents and all-wool socks in preparation for global cooling. Looks like they fight alone.

This game is very complicated.



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RE: Sun Damage - 12/12/2012 6:51:47 AM   
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You know what bugs the Hell out me? Every supermarket sells parsely by the bunch and the bunch is big enough for the entire 37th ID. You chop off what you need and 98% is still left.

Nobody even likes the ****. I'm not buying it anymore.

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RE: Sun Damage - 12/12/2012 12:57:59 PM   
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This game is very complicated.


You know that it says this in the manual, doncha? Just sayin'.

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RE: Sun Damage - 12/12/2012 1:14:11 PM   
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This game is very complicated.


You know that it says this in the manual, doncha? Just sayin'.


What page ?


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RE: Sun Damage - 12/12/2012 1:50:58 PM   
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You know what bugs the Hell out me? Every supermarket sells parsely by the bunch and the bunch is big enough for the entire 37th ID. You chop off what you need and 98% is still left.

Nobody even likes the ****. I'm not buying it anymore.

Now what are you gonna use to put green bits in your brother-in-law's teeth? Cilantro suffers the same waste issue as parsley. Maybe you could order in some of that "medicine weed" from the state (s) north of you that legalized it?

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RE: Sun Damage - 12/12/2012 2:39:24 PM   
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Against all odds, disaster is again averted. Kaga still using croaking device. I suspect JJ showed her on purpose to scare us.

Donggala (somewhere on Sulawese and yes, it does have two "g's":
Looks this thid one was outbound.

Sub attack near Donggala at 69,96

Japanese Ships
TK Kanze Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Nagatsuki

Allied Ships
SS KXV


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