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RE: Robusto Havana - 9/30/2012 3:52:00 PM   
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************Mandrake Timesaver Tip, 2nd in a Series**************

I'm not sure what the 1st tip was but I am pretty sure there was one. The second is based on evolutionary biology. I call it "Darwin Comes to the Dresser: Socksual Selection".


First, you must understand that The Mayan used to sort my socks. She used to iron my skivies too but I would rather that didn't get around. Now that SG and SG Jr. conspired to get The Mayan fired I just get a drawer full of socks. So I am confronted with a dilemma. Sort my ******* socks or retain a precious sliver of free time to waste on timesaver tips. Naturally, I chose the latter and to apply some evolutionary biolgy.

In the morning, I simply pick two socks of a color appropriate to what I am wearing. There are generally three races of socks, your dark blues/blacks, your browns/tans and your whites. The whites pretty much just get worn when I am playing golf (once a year) so I sent them to the Galapagos drawer. Nobody under 75 wears Argyle socks anymore so we shall discount them.

Now, the idea here is to save time, so one can't be picky about a couple of dots or fleur de lis. As a consequence this approach would not be prudent if you are a talking head on TV and have to sit around a coffee table and cross your legs or if you anticipate some team building activity at work that involves taking your shoes off or if you have to get past a TSA checkpoint. If you are going to do it with your sexretary then just take your socks off real fast.

So anyway, when you get down to the bottom of the drawer, any mismatched socks are tossed in the trash bin. Think of it as predation. It's magnificently efficient.

You may freely adopt this strategy at no cost.....and......you are welcome.

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RE: Robusto Havana - 9/30/2012 4:06:39 PM   
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Tell anyone who notices two different species of socks on you at the same time "E=Mc2" implying, but not stating (in case you are challenged) that you are an absent-minded genius like Einstein.

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RE: Robusto Havana - 9/30/2012 5:03:06 PM   
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No turn yet AND the NFL hasn't started for the day.

Finished reading Neptune's Inferno *****spoiler alert*******. We won.


The chapter about the Battle of Savo Island was hard to read. They weren't at full readiness. Crappy assumptions. Crappy recon reports. Crappy battle plan. Mistrust of radar. Recon aircraft and aviation fuel sitting on the fantail. Uggh.

Kirishima vs. the crusiers. Awesome fight. A cavalry charge in the dark.

Didn't know the details of the Sullivan brothers or Juneau. Uggh. Almost as bad as Hood.

Sounds like a great book - I hope I can lay my hands on it.
I have always been fascinated with the Guadalcanal campaign and have read many books on it. The thing that always stood out for me is how Allied commanders stuck with their familiar line-ahead formation in the face of all evidence that this was a nice target for torps. Meanwhile the Japanese had a series of squadrons operating in nimble formations and following very good night battle doctrine to stay coordinated. It was like watching Ali [Cassius Clay at the time] dance around Liston and just keep stinging without being hit.

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RE: Robusto Havana - 9/30/2012 5:44:57 PM   
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No turn yet AND the NFL hasn't started for the day.

Finished reading Neptune's Inferno *****spoiler alert*******. We won.


The chapter about the Battle of Savo Island was hard to read. They weren't at full readiness. Crappy assumptions. Crappy recon reports. Crappy battle plan. Mistrust of radar. Recon aircraft and aviation fuel sitting on the fantail. Uggh.

Kirishima vs. the crusiers. Awesome fight. A cavalry charge in the dark.

Didn't know the details of the Sullivan brothers or Juneau. Uggh. Almost as bad as Hood.

Sounds like a great book - I hope I can lay my hands on it.
I have always been fascinated with the Guadalcanal campaign and have read many books on it. The thing that always stood out for me is how Allied commanders stuck with their familiar line-ahead formation in the face of all evidence that this was a nice target for torps. Meanwhile the Japanese had a series of squadrons operating in nimble formations and following very good night battle doctrine to stay coordinated. It was like watching Ali [Cassius Clay at the time] dance around Liston and just keep stinging without being hit.



I enjoyed the book. I think the American commanders were fearful of friendly fire disasters (with good reason as there were several well documented mistargetings). Line ahead in a night fight is the best way to maintain control. Those that came before Lee clearly didn't trust radar either, even when radar-equipped DD's were well ahead as pickets. Savo Island was a disaster with plenty of blame to go around.

Later commanders led with DD's (both as scouts and, probably in the case of Lee, as sacrifical torpedo magnets for the vulenrable BB's).

By all reports Ghormley was overmatched by the job. Halsey was almost too aggressive but got the job done. Funny story about Halsey. When he got to SouPac HQ, he was appalled at how cramped and inadequate the insulated quonset huts were. He sent an aide to the governor of New Caledonia, some French Admiral, to appeal for quarters. He was asked by the governor, "What's in it for me?"

Halsey was incensed. He gathered up some Marines and went downtown and seized the Governor's house.

Lee's rating in AE is well deserved. Not sure what Scott's rating was. He was also a very, very capable commander.





* Is that how you spell "cramped"? And who'da thunk "appalled" has two "p's" and two "l's"? Bah, who cares.

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RE: Robusto Havana - 9/30/2012 5:46:54 PM   
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RE: Robusto Havana - 9/30/2012 5:52:27 PM   
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Another funny thing. I always thought Willis "Ching" Lee was ethnic Chinese, though I will admit I was surprised that a Chinese American could rise to that rank in the late 30's.

In fact he lived next door to the Clampetts when he was a kid, shooting squirrels. He wasn't ethnic Chinese. He just liked moo shoo pork or some such thing so he was given the nickname.

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RE: Robusto Havana - 9/30/2012 6:32:22 PM   
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I have seen a picture of Adm. Lee and he had a round face, squinty eyes and wore round spectacles. He did appear to be Chinese [per the caricature at the time] and that may have had something to do with the nickname.

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RE: Robusto Havana - 9/30/2012 6:37:48 PM   
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Not sure about Chinese but he does look like a braniac

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RE: Robusto Havana - 9/30/2012 6:52:38 PM   
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Musta been in bright sunlight in the pic I saw - he was definitely squinting!

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RE: Robusto Havana - 10/1/2012 4:09:32 AM   
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Here is Adm. Callaghan who led Task Group 64.7 on the night of Nov 12/13 vs. Kirishima. He drove his crusiers right into the oncoming Kirishima in very poor visibility, knowing full well he was facing at least one BB. Ostensibly it was to close range so the 8 in guns could penterate Kirishima's armor. Thing is he didn't tell anyone so they thought he was crazy.

Kirishima was wrecked. Then he was killed along with his staff and a Lt. Commander took control of San Francisico.

He was awarded a posthumous Medal of Honor. A bit more polished-looking than Lee


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RE: Robusto Havana - 10/1/2012 4:51:13 AM   
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Here is Adm. Callaghan who led Task Group 64.7 on the night of Nov 12/13 vs. Kirishima. He drove his crusiers right into the oncoming Kirishima in very poor visibility, knowing full well he was facing at least one BB. Ostensibly it was to close range so the 8 in guns could penterate Kirishima's armor. Thing is he didn't tell anyone so they thought he was crazy.

Kirishima was wrecked. Then he was killed along with his staff and a Lt. Commander took control of San Francisico.

He was awarded a posthumous Medal of Honor. A bit more polished-looking than Lee



Slight correction required here - Hiei was the BB that the cruiser/destroyer force crippled. Kirishima was sunk two nights later after Washington smashed her with 9 [US estimates] to 20 [one Japanese source estimate] 16" hits and oodles of 5"ers. The Japanese scuttled her but she likely would have sunk anyways.

Re: Hiei, as with most BBs the armoured area of the hull extended from the aft magazine to the forward magazine and did not include the stern. The Japanese recognized that the rudder mechanism was vulnerable and put a large amount of concrete around it to try protect it. I have never seen a Japanese report confirm that the US 8" shells pierced the side armour, but they did definitely get through the concrete and jam the rudder. Between that and the superstructure riddled with hits and fires, she was wrecked but in no danger of sinking next morning. Then the Marine SBDs & TBFs showed up and by the end of the day the Japanese were forced to scuttle her.
See the excellent recounting of the loss of Hiei at: http://www.combinedfleet.com/atully03.htm

Edit - to add a source and correct info about TBF involvement


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RE: Robusto Havana - 10/1/2012 5:09:21 AM   
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Oops..yes, Lee sunk Kirishima. It was Hiei

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RE: Robusto Havana - 10/1/2012 2:42:44 PM   
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*****************Feb. 9, 1943(c), Bali Hai Club, Darwin*************


Hirsute man, appears thristy: <walks up to bar> Darwin Antipersonel Bomb please.


Man in fine linen slacks: You're going to vomit, you crazy SOB.


Hirsute man, appears thristy: I don't care.


Man in fine linen slacks: You have always had a carefree insouciance about you, Yossarian


Hirsute man, appears thristy: Yeah, that's me, insouciant. I had a rough flight. Went back to that seance for my dad.


Man in fine linen slacks: Oh yeah? How did it go? Father Kerkorian treat you right.


Hirsute man, appears thristy: Yes, yes he did. Though, I think he may have been suffering from cognitive dissonance. With the seance thing, I mean. Not exactly orthodoxy.


Man in fine linen slacks: Damn, Yossarian! "cognitive dissonance". You should copyright that or something. It's the vow of poverty thing. I sent him a case of Cognac from our time in New Scotland.


Hirsute man, appears thristy: Yeah, well it worked. Pops thinks "Oz" is a metaphysical realm, but the Padre is going to forward his letters.


Man in fine linen slacks: You mean you didn't talk to him?


Hirsute man, appears thristy: No, not yet. I worry about his ticker. I figure learning your son is not dead but half-alive, half-dead in some metaphysical plane is enough for one day.


Man in fine linen slacks: What's the cover story for the mail getting through?


Hirsute man, appears thristy: Air mail.


Man in fine linen slacks: Ah, nice.


Hirsute man, appears thristy: Say, I disovered some islands.


Man in fine linen slacks: Well that deserves a DAB. Nice going Vasco!


Hirsute man, appears thristy: Vasco?


Man in fine linen slacks: de Gama.


Hirsute man, appears thristy: Oh, yeah. About 350 miles East of Christchurch. Pretty good size too.


Man in fine linen slacks: <lowers voice> The Chathams. Keep it down.


Hirsute man, appears thristy: You mean you know about them? But they aren't on the map.


Man in fine linen slacks: Yes, that's the whole idea.


Hirsute man, appears thristy: What do you mean, that's the whole idea? What about commerce? What about medicines?


Man in fine linen slacks: It is a choice they made. They chose to not be part of the war. They bought the non-dsiclosure rider from M&M cartography.


Hirsute man, appears thristy: <pauses in amazement...then downs the fulinating drink> I'll be damned.



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RE: Robusto Havana - 10/1/2012 2:45:42 PM   
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Just in case you think I'm making this up.






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RE: Robusto Havana - 10/2/2012 7:36:02 PM   
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You know, I keep hearing stuff about impaired sensory capabilities in the elderly. It's not true!

Just this morning I realized I am now able to see my own eyebrows without a mirror.

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RE: Robusto Havana - 10/2/2012 8:12:00 PM   
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JJ is beginning to stock the cupboard again today at Manado. It's too far for the big bomber force at Darwin so I might have to move the B-24's to Saumlaki which is only level four, lacks the massive avaiation support of Darwin, and is not the right HQ, of course. Today the B-24's will go after Hollandia. Washington is headed North again for another bombardment of Manado. The fighters at Manado might do harm to the transports needed to transport 503rd PIR to Sidate so they will have to be dealth with.






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RE: Robusto Havana - 10/2/2012 8:17:17 PM   
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***************************Feb 9, 1943(c)****************************

Not sure where Auki or Laoag are but USN subs are starting to score every day now.

Submarine attack near Auki at 114,135

Japanese Ships
xAK Hukuyo Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS S-31

Japanese ground losses:
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)



xAK Hukuyo Maru is sighted by SS S-31
SS S-31 launches 4 torpedoes at xAK Hukuyo Maru


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ASW attack near Laoag at 81,71

Japanese Ships
DD Murakumo, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
TK Terukawa Maru
TK San Diego Maru
E Tobui

Allied Ships
SS Shad

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RE: Robusto Havana - 10/2/2012 8:19:00 PM   
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I do know where Davao is.


Submarine attack near Davao at 81,94

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TK Kyoie Maru, Torpedo hits 1

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SS Stingray

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RE: Robusto Havana - 10/2/2012 8:21:49 PM   
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Port Hedrand: This is exemplary of part of the abuse handed out by the medium bombers over Port Hedrand every day. Might be time for a ground attack.

Morning Air attack on Port Hedland , at 57,129

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes


Allied aircraft
Beaufort V x 14
Beaufort VIII x 17
Bolingbroke IV x 12
B-25C Mitchell x 46
B-26 Marauder x 6
B-26B Marauder x 9


Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort V: 1 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
433 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 32 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 11


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RE: Robusto Havana - 10/2/2012 8:24:07 PM   
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Horrandia: No CAP, but they are just annoying Herens. Even so, JJ should have noticed the change in recon activity ordered by Gen Dreedle. It's been 3 days.

Morning Air attack on Hollandia , at 93,116

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 72


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-IIa Helen: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



Airbase hits 16
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 31

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RE: Robusto Havana - 10/2/2012 8:34:06 PM   
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Sangi: Not exactly sure where Sangi is exactly...about 20 hexes North of Lautem, between Sulawese and Mindanao I excpect so this must be the TBF squadron at Ternate. Darn good shooting but I'm not sure why they weren't armed with torpedos. Probably didn't add any to VII Fighter Command inventory. I think the DD escorts had been stripped by the subs over the past two days. I suspect these TK's were inbound for Borneo (unladen)? If so the Empire may have decided they did not need oil from Sumatra. The subs on duty there never find anything. At this point, JJ will have deduced that Ternate is now dangerous.

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Sangi at 75,95

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes


Allied aircraft
TBF-1 Avenger x 17


Allied aircraft losses
TBF-1 Avenger: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
TK Amato Maru, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Kyoie Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage


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RE: Robusto Havana - 10/2/2012 8:39:56 PM   
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Sorong: Some Bettys go after the SCTF at Sorong. P-40K's are flying LRCAP from Boela, about 200 miles away. Not very efficient and the pilots are getting tired, but we hae to make do without the CV's. I pulled the CVE's back well southward because of the threats from Hollandia and Manado.

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Sorong at 82,107

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 6



Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 15


No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
DD Tjerk Hiddes
DM Ramsay


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RE: Robusto Havana - 10/2/2012 8:42:15 PM   
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New Edinburgh: At rong rast, payback. Not very staisfying, really. A complete backwater to the effort in the Sundas.


Ground combat at Noumea (115,160)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 7615 troops, 133 guns, 61 vehicles, Assault Value = 289

Defending force 1397 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 37

Allied adjusted assault: 207

Japanese adjusted defense: 16

Allied assault odds: 12 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Noumea !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), morale(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
330 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 26 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Assaulting units:
3rd Marine Regiment
14th NZ Brigade

Defending units:
61st Naval Guard Unit
46th JNAF AF Unit

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RE: Robusto Havana - 10/2/2012 8:46:05 PM   
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China: The Empire lashes out blindly and irrationally over Chungking....well, come to think of it, it makes perfect sense. Mistah Cahtlight vely agnly.


Morning Air attack on Chungking , at 76,45

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 21
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 50
Ki-49-Ia Helen x 22



Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 2


Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-Ic Sally: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
Ki-48-Ib Lily: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-49-Ia Helen: 1 damaged

No Allied losses



Manpower hits 33
Fires 17472

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RE: Robusto Havana - 10/2/2012 8:47:00 PM   
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I say, let them have their fun.

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RE: Robusto Havana - 10/4/2012 2:13:55 PM   
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We've decided to despatch one of our code manuals to senior American commanders so we can communicate securely. It will be nearly as safe as a 4 rotor enigma. Oh, wait...

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RE: Robusto Havana - 10/4/2012 2:28:12 PM   
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Oh....THAT'S what the address was for. Good, the training prgram to convert Pinhead to a bomb sniffing Pinhead wasn't going very well.


By ra way...did that USN destroyer capture that Nazi sub with the Enigma yet in Feb. 1943(c)?

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RE: Robusto Havana - 10/4/2012 2:35:20 PM   
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Oh....THAT'S what the address was for. Good, the training prgram to convert Pinhead to a bomb sniffing Pinhead wasn't going very well.


By ra way...did that USN destroyer capture that Nazi sub with the Enigma yet in Feb. 1943(c)?

Check the syllabus - you signed up pinhead to be a Bong-Sniffing Dog. No wonder things went sideways.

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RE: Robusto Havana - 10/4/2012 2:43:48 PM   
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Hey, my glaucoma is really bad right now. Lay off.

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RE: Robusto Havana - 10/4/2012 7:46:57 PM   
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I think you misheard, it's bum-sniffing dog

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