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BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 12/19/2009 11:44:38 PM   
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Felt the need for one more round, so I guess we're Back in Business Again!

Me vs AndyMac, Scen 2 - one day turns.
For those of you who followed my previous WitP AAR you may remember that AndyMac took over the Allied side in the first half of 1943 and fought it into a 1946 draw.

This time Andy will be in from the start - so we'll try to hit him so hard that we don't have to go into 1946 to settle things again

Andy will have his separate thread so you can drop in for a look from the other side of the fence if you'd like.

We've not created a mile long list of house rules but go with the gentleman agreement from last round and vouch for a fair fight.

We're already into turn 7 and got some catching up to do.
Will come back with a week 1 summary as I find time.

Nagumo went to Pearl again and stayed for 2 days this time, stay tuned for what Tokyo Rose has to say about his stay!

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 12/20/2009 12:57:48 AM   
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Sounds good John, going to be reading both AARs, so no help on the way, but good luck.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 12/20/2009 2:45:20 AM   
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So were to start...!

I will only give detaild descriptions of the major actions and sum up the rest.
The big strategy is something I'm working on, but will get back to this later.
First we need to settle things in Malaya, DEI and in the Philippines.

Pearl Harbour and Kido Butai 7-13th of December.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 07, 41

Central Pacific - Pearl Harbour

Decided to send Nagumo to a position 3 hexes west of PH for the initial attack.
- Results were pretty historical. The Arizona blew up and most other battleships were damaged.
All the midgets foundered and sank...

Not happy with the low kill count for enemy ac, in AE it's much more difficult to destroy planes on the ground (maybe a tad to difficult?)

Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107

Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 84
B5N2 Kate x 117
D3A1 Val x 135

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 5 destroyed, 29 damaged
D3A1 Val: 9 destroyed, 47 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
PBY-5 Catalina: 10 destroyed on ground
P-40B Warhawk: 6 destroyed on ground
A-20A Havoc: 2 destroyed on ground
B-18A Bolo: 3 destroyed on ground
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground
SBD-1 Dauntless: 2 destroyed on ground
P-36A Mohawk: 3 destroyed on ground
F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied Ships
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
BB California, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
AV Tangier
xAKL Manini
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
DD Monaghan, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
SS Dolphin, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CM Oglala
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
BB Arizona, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DM Ramsay, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DM Tracy, Bomb hits 1, on fire
PT-29, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CL Helena, Torpedo hits 1
CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 2, on fire
DD Shaw, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Litchfield, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DD Dale, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Patterson, Bomb hits 1

Allied ground losses:
51 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Repair Shipyard hits 6
Airbase hits 27
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 150
Port hits 12
Port fuel hits 5

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 08, 41

On day two the KB went 4 hexes north of PH and launched a follow up attack on port and TFs.

Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107
Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 160 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 53 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 53
B5N2 Kate x 41
D3A1 Val x 43

Allied aircraft
P-36A Mohawk x 2
P-40B Warhawk x 14
SNJ-3 Texan x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 5 destroyed, 24 damaged
D3A1 Val: 7 destroyed, 27 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-36A Mohawk: 1 destroyed
P-40B Warhawk: 8 destroyed
SNJ-3 Texan: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB Nevada, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
BB Maryland, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
BB California, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
DD Cummings, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Honolulu, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Port hits 1

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YEAH, this is more like it!
In order to not be known by history as the man who went home a quarter to twelve Nagumo launched a final afternoon strike on Pearl:

Afternoon Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 35
B5N2 Kate x 63
D3A1 Val x 32

Allied aircraft
SNJ-3 Texan x 1

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 10 destroyed, 35 damaged
D3A1 Val: 4 destroyed, 23 damaged

Allied aircraft losses

Allied Ships
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DM Gamble, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AG Argonne, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AS Pelias, Torpedo hits 1
CL Phoenix, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
AV Tangier, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
AM Grebe, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AG Aries, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DMS Trevor, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
BB California, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CA New Orleans
CL Honolulu, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Detroit, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AO Ramapo, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Farragut, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Helena, Bomb hits 1
DD Jarvis, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Port hits 9

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Almost every single battleship sent to the bottom (7 out of 8!)
FLAK caused quite a few losses, but we managed to hit the enemy airfields and fighters so hard that they didn't shoot down many KB bombers.

Not much action for the KB in the week after PH - it met with the refuelling TF and headed towards Wake Island to oversee the invasion there. (I postponed it to avoid Andy from hammering the invasion fleet with his carriers).

On the 13th of December
a small enemy craft was spotted and sunk by KB ac near Wake Island, so Andy should know its position:

Morning Air attack on TF, near Taongi at 144,106
Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 22 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 11
D3A1 Val x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
D3A1 Val: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
AM Penguin, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x D3A1 Val diving from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring AM Penguin

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 12/20/2009 3:00:03 AM   
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Philippines 7-13th of December

Usual landings in Aparro and Vigan and then Legaspi.
Still building up forces trying to advance into central Luzon while fighting enemy subs and the occasional P-40 / B-17 raids.

The heavy air attacks on Luzon airfields failed do destroy a significant number of enemy ac.
Have gone over to sweeping instead, this is slowly wearing down the enemy fighters.

Highlights:

Bois sunk by Mini KB south of Davao;

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Sangi at 76,95

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A5M4 Claude x 2
B5N1 Kate x 8

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N1 Kate: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses

Allied Ships
CL Boise, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk

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Enemy ships fleeing Manila were caught at Lubong by the Imperial Navy:

Day Time Surface Combat, near Lubang at 78,78, Range 14,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Maya
CA Ashigara, Shell hits 6, on fire
CL Kuma
DD Asakaze
DD Matsukaze, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
DD John D. Ford, Shell hits 15, and is sunk
DD Peary, Shell hits 16, and is sunk
DD Pillsbury, Shell hits 14, and is sunk
DD Pope, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
PG Isabel, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
PG Asheville, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
PG Tulsa, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
AS Holland, Shell hits 10, heavy fires, heavy damage
AS Otus, Shell hits 18, and is sunk
AS Canopus, Shell hits 2, heavy fires
AV Langley, Shell hits 17, and is sunk
AVD Childs
AM Finch
AM Bittern, Shell hits 7, and is sunk
AO Pecos, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
AO Trinity, Shell hits 1
TK Mindanao, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAP President Madison
xAP Rochambeau, Shell hits 1
xAKL Don Jose
xAKL Sagoland, Shell hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Paz, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
TK Gertrude Kellogg, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
xAKL Anakan
xAKL Bisayas
xAK Capillo, Shell hits 15, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Compagnia Filipinas
xAKL Corregidor
xAK Ethel Edwards, Shell hits 1
xAKL Palawan, Shell hits 16, and is sunk
xAKL Princess of Negros
xAK Si Kiang, Shell hits 3, on fire
xAK Tantalus, Shell hits 3, on fire
xAK Yu Sang, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAP Neptuna

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Air strikes from naval and carrier bombers combined with surface TF attacks has caused major enemy shipping losses in the Philippine Sea. No major Japanese warship has been sunk or damaged.




An interesting note: The heavy cruiser Houston has been attacked in Manila harbour several times but avoided destruction. For some obscure reason Andy sent a Dutch TF with the cruisers Java and De Ruyter to Luzon.

Java was sunk by naval bombers while De Ruyter was crippled in a mine field I laid between Tawi Tawi and Jolo. The remaining destroyers are still in the area close to Manila.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 12/20/2009 3:09:23 AM   
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Malaya - Borneo

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 07, 41

Morning Air attack on TF, near Mersing at 52,82

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
G3M2 Nell x 52
G4M1 Betty x 13

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 9

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M2 Nell: 4 destroyed, 29 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed, 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses

Allied Ships
BB Prince of Wales, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
BC Repulse, Torpedo hits 5, and is sunk
DD Vampire
DD Electra
DD Tenedos
DD Express

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Both capital ships are reported sunk and I've not seen anything more of them, so I think they're gonners! In the afternoon the destroyer Electra is also reported torpedoed and sunk!

On Borneo we have captured Miri and Brunei and are slowly expanding our presence there.
In Malaya the peninsula has been cut, Victoria Point captured and we're marching on Alor Star which has been abandoned. Troops are also pursuing the enemy south of Khota Bharu.

Our Army bombers have harassed enemy ground troops while our fighters are sweeping both Rangoon and Singapore. Losses on the 13th of December were heavy on both sides as Oscars and Zeros took on the AVG in Rangoon and a large number of Buffalos in Singapore. A few more such efforts and we should be able to gain air superiority and be able to send our bombers out without more impunity.

Enemy subs operated on the east coast of the Peninsula and we managed to sink 1 or 2 of the Dutch boats. Our own subs have sunk several loaded tankers, aux vessels and cargo ships in the region.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 12/20/2009 3:11:36 AM   
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Good luck! Your old AARS were always great fun.

Are you enjoying the new features?

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 12/20/2009 3:23:34 AM   
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I am indeed, lots of improvements and I have to learn to play much the game over again!
AE is a whole dimension more than WitP was, much more so than the upgrade from UV to WitP.

Pilot / aircraft and industry management is truly great and I think combat balance is pretty good as well. A few anomalities yet, but every new patch brings new improvements.

China

In China I have mostly been trying to open some bottle necks by brushing aside Chinese "roadblocks". The aim is to gather an army to go to the offensive with somewhere in Central China, but there is a lot of preprations to be made first.

Andy is trying very hard to get troops into Ichang and isolate the base.
Thus far he has only taken heavy losses, but I have to look after this "hot spot".

In Hong Kong I constantly bombardet the city from the air for a week.
When the Army was in place it bombardet and rested for 2 days before launching an attack when supply levels were in the green.

Hong Kong then fell in the first attack!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 13, 41

Ground combat at Hong Kong (77,61)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 21802 troops, 360 guns, 218 vehicles, Assault Value = 761

Defending force 4875 troops, 106 guns, 79 vehicles, Assault Value = 103

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2
Japanese adjusted assault: 1154
Allied adjusted defense: 205

Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Hong Kong !!!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
No Allied losses

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
160 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Vehicles lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
7934 casualties reported
Squads: 276 destroyed, 24 disabled
Non Combat: 658 destroyed, 100 disabled
Engineers: 19 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 205 (205 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 131 (126 destroyed, 5 disabled)
Units destroyed 6

Assaulting units:
38th Division
1st Ind.Inf.Group
19th Ind. Engineer Regiment
66th Infantry Regiment
20th Ind. Engineer Regiment
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
5th RF Gun Battalion
2nd RF Gun Battalion
21st Mortar Battalion
10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment
3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Mortar Battalion
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion

Defending units:
Winnipeg Grenadiers Battalion
Kowloon Brigade
Hong Kong Fortress
1st Middlesex Battalion
Rifles of Canada Bn /1
102nd RN Base Force

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 12/20/2009 3:29:21 AM   
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Some interesting developments in the Marshalls on the 13th!

After capturing Nauru a small invasion TF sailed back to Jaluit and came under attack from an Allied carrier. We lost a large minelayer and a transport while a destroyer and another large minelayer were damaged.

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Jaluit at 134,120

Weather in hex: Light cloud
Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes


Allied aircraft
F2A-3 Buffalo x 10
SBD-2 Dauntless x 15
SBD-3 Dauntless x 9


Allied aircraft losses
SBD-2 Dauntless: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CM Okinoshima, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
DD Yunagi, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
xAK Tenyo Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
CM Tokiwa, Bomb hits 2, on fire
DD Asanagi

Japanese ground losses:
39 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Jaluit at 134,120

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud
Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
F2A-3 Buffalo x 10
SBD-3 Dauntless x 9

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
CM Tokiwa, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Tenyo Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CM Okinoshima, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage


Zero's from Kwajalein engaged and shot down some of the Lexington's CAP fighters (Buffalo's).
A small contingent of naval bombers then attacked the carrier but failed to score a hit.
- To bad the rest of the naval bombers in the area stayed home, there are ca 40 of them.

The question is were Andy will send his carrier(s) next.
Probably back south towards Australia / Noumea or back to Pearl.

When will the first carrier engagement of the war place?




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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 12/20/2009 3:42:33 AM   
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Air losses thus far: Loss ratio is 1 / 1.2 in our favor.
Not much to be happy about, but we have taken some heavy losses related to the attacks on Pearl Harbour, Force Z and long range CAP in Malaya. The fight for air superiority in Burma / Malaya and over the Philippines has also been costly.

The good news: Ca 100 Warhawks and 23 AVG fighters have been destroyed!
The not so good news: 135 Zero / Vals / Kates have been lost - but only 35 to enemy fighters.
FLAK and operational losses is the culprit

Hope to be able to work towards a 2-1 kill ratio in 42!




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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 12/20/2009 3:45:11 AM   
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Probably some FOW in there, but this is the list of major ships reported sunk 1 week into the war!






Really enjoy WitP Tracker - it makes life easier

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 12/20/2009 3:53:11 AM   
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Industry and resources

Not done a lot of changes thus far. Increased Zero frame and engine production and accelerated a light carrier while halting some major long time naval constructions.

What I do need is advice regarding how to handle air production and research.
Afraid to mess things up by ordering major changes, especially this early.

1. Which airplanes to increase / decrease production
2. Which ships to accelerate / halt
3. Which industries to expand / stop

Does anyone know how much resources / oil I must ship to Hokkaido on a regular basis?




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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 12/20/2009 5:35:23 AM   
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Oh.
My.
God.

He's back


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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 12/20/2009 8:16:23 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Fishbed

Oh.
My.
God.

He's back


+1

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 12/20/2009 12:14:25 PM   
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Will India be on the menu again??  If not, where will you strike this time??



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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 12/20/2009 5:42:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: hartwig.modrow

quote:

ORIGINAL: Fishbed

Oh.
My.
God.

He's back


+1

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Hartwig


+1 more ! .. second/third that sentiment fish

PzB , long thread on air production here http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2191396

and one here on the economy http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2178182

Its all rather differant to witP and from what i see Mike Solli is the man to ask for production advice.






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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 12/20/2009 6:23:37 PM   
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Never stay below subcontinental PzB.
Good luck.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 12/20/2009 7:31:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Fishbed

Oh.
My.
God.

He's back



Touche - so touche. Watching and taking notes mate. (or should I say spying and scheming ;-) )

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 12/20/2009 10:37:19 PM   
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Great to hear from you again guys!
I'm aware of the excellent links Rob - will have to go through them again soon.

How is your war going Wob, still playing the Allies?
- Not tempted by the "dark side"

Some updates from the war:

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 14, 41

Phillippines

One of our subs were lost in a minefield when the Captain got lost and entered the waters near Bataan!

TF 119 encounters mine field at Bataan (78,77)

Japanese Ships
SS RO-34, Mine hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

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In a surface engagement near Manila we intercepted the remains of the Dutch flotilla and sent them all to the bottom. It was almost to easy - either they were out of fuel or the difference between UK and the rest of the Allied warships can be measured in light years. A few days ago we tried to sink 3 British destroyers with a superior force and didn't even manage a single hit...

Night Time Surface Combat, near Lubang at 78,78, Range 12,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Naka
DD Natsugumo
DD Murasame
DD Harusame
DD Yudachi
DD Samidare

Allied Ships
DD Banckert, Shell hits 19, and is sunk
DD Van Nes, Shell hits 5, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DD Witte de With, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Kortenaer, Shell hits 14, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Piet Hein, Shell hits 17, and is sunk

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We captured the following bases today:

Kwangchowan - French base west of Hong Kong, no defenders.
Naga - north of Legaspi
Brunei - northern Borneo
Guam - Marianas

...and finally Wake Island: Sent a battleship bombardment group from the KB and bombarded the island. The batteries managed to hurt a few ships, but the initial invasion force was sufficient to capture the base. 14 Wildcats reported destroyed - never saw them in action, did Andy forget them?

Others:

Enemy carriers observed heading away from the sw Marshalls and towards the Carolines.
A sub is ordered to attempt to intercept.

Luzon will be a tough nut, sending major reinforcements to Malaya to capture Singapore ASAP.
Need to start regular bombing runs to disrupt building of new forts and to weaken the defenders.

Todays "snapshot"

One of our two surface commerce raiders ran into a squadron of enemy destroyer mine sweepers (DMS).
In the half hearted engagement 2-3 small caliber shells hit the raider while it returned the favor by landing 2-3 14 cm shells.

Actually we got another more potent surprise lurking around on the seven seas.
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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 12/20/2009 10:54:21 PM   
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The Dark side;

I have visions of being good enough to play as the evil empire, in fact I have finished a guadalcanal PBEM as them, but to take on the GC... Nope, reckon I'd have it to hell in a handbasket by '43.

I'll just watch the real pros. Might be conned on a 2vs2 maybe - so I could have someone do the production - that just plain scares me.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 12/20/2009 11:17:29 PM   
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Think you eventually will feel the Call of Cthulhu and set of for another journey down AE lane Wob One day we need to have a rematch you know....!-)

I got quite a few (scary) thoughts about micro management in AE myself.
Here are some of my thoughts on it;

Industry and research scary indeed, but I'll just take it very easy in the beginning - try to preserve resources and build up the pools as much as possible. After the initial conquests have been completed and oil and resources begin to flow I will decide whether to make any (major) changes.

Aircraft production and research: Think I will follow Joe's approach and stop ac production when there are sufficient of the individual models in the pools. - The challenge is to actually remember to toggle engine / airframe production on and off

Also need to consider which Japanese fighter we should nominate as research object numero uno.
Advice anyone - should we go all out and attempt to advance the introduction of the Frank, George or any other interceptor?

The pilot training / handling with pools, reserve and training commands is challenging.
Advice anyone; how many crack pilots should be preserved in reserve and training command?

Ship construction; a tad simpler since it's only possible to turn of ships that are already building. Designs not yet on the slips does not draw resources. Since the Shinano has been converted to a Taiho class carrier in Scen 2 it is difficult to decide whether to halt construction or not. It's also very tempting to accelerate the Taiho again....

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 12/20/2009 11:40:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: PzB

Think you eventually will feel the Call of Cthulhu and set of for another journey down AE lane Wob One day we need to have a rematch you know....!-)



Owah Daddy do we have to go in that room...? There's a monster in the cupboard (or in the fish bowl - Kraken definately).

Enjoy Singers. Try and keep in mind that the Singer's Police don't have the same attitude that alcohol is an essential blood product - necessary for anti-freeze purposes, that maybe the Norwegian Fuzz do.

Difficult to play WitP:AE from jail for 'resting on a public sidewalk' - two years minimum for that. Even stiffer if you 'decide' to revisit the night's libation...

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 12/20/2009 11:59:32 PM   
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quote:

One of our two surface commerce raiders ran into a squadron of enemy destroyer mine sweepers (DMS).
In the half hearted engagement 2-3 small caliber shells hit the raider while it returned the favor by landing 2-3 14 cm shells.

according to these two sources the ship had 15 cm guns until march 1942 refit to 14cms.. did you already refit her or does she just come already upgraded?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_raiders_in_Indian_Ocean_Campaign

Original Armament Following March 1942 Re-Armament at Kure

http://www.combinedfleet.com/Hokoku_t.htm

30 August 1941:
Kobe. Begins installation of four 152-mm (6-inch) guns, two 76-mm/40 cal (3-inch) AA guns, type 93 type 13.2-mm MGs and two 533-mm torpedo tubes at the Mitsubishi Heavy Industries shipyard.
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The 24th Squadron arrives at Truk.

12 February 1942:
Arrives at Kure. Begins refit and armament moderization. HOKOKU MARU's four 152-mm guns installed the previous autumn are removed and replaced by eight 3rd Year Type 140- mm/50 cal guns.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 12/21/2009 6:25:06 AM   
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He's Back!

Wow PzB, that's probably the best opening to the war I've seen in AAR. Keep it up and the troops will be home by Christmas! (Next Year of course )

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 12/21/2009 12:01:08 PM   
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quote:

Call of Cthulhu


Wow, I haven't heard that name in 40 years!!! One doesn't expect to see Lovecraft in an AE forum, much less Tennyson. Your AAR with Wobbly was the first one I read. I suspect India will be a tougher nut to crack this time around.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 12/21/2009 11:18:10 PM   
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Bugger, these uber busy pre-Xmas days is taking the wind out of you!
Add 50cm snow, chaos on the roads and work and there's fine little time to fight a war

You think they are civilized enough to give me a laptop with Internet connection in a Singers jail Wob?
- A couple of years in a slammer may not be so bad after all....

Seems like you're right Krupp, the size of that raiders guns should be adjusted
Did these Jap raiders actually sink anything in rl?

We're aiming for Xmas dinner in Karachi 42' Skrewbal.
I told Andy that it was no way I would invade India this time.
"Yeah as I would believe that!" was the terese reply.
- That's the beauty of it I said.
-> Andy "...and the paranoia begins!"

"That is not dead which can eternal lie, And with strange aeons even death may die."
- H.P. Lovecraft

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 15, 41

Another draw - fighting UK ships always ends like this!
The Houston got a free ride I guess...she landed 2 8" shells on the Nagara, light damage.

Night Time Surface Combat, near Legaspi at 82,82, Range 6,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CL Nagara, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Yamakaze
DD Kawakaze
DD Umikaze
DD Suzukaze
DD Urukaze, Shell hits 2

Allied Ships
CA Houston, Shell hits 3
DD Scout, Shell hits 1
DD Thanet
DD Thracian

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In Singapore we literally swept some 40 Beer kegs out of the skies:
Time to start wearing down the fortress.

Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 22
Ki-43-Ia Oscar x 18
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 9

Allied aircraft
Buffalo I x 55

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 10 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 15000 feet

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Captured a Chinese base - mostly because it was blocking the road!-)

Ground combat at Kweiteh (90,46)
Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 12126 troops, 140 guns, 92 vehicles, Assault Value = 753
Defending force 2421 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 89

Japanese adjusted assault: 418

Allied adjusted defense: 3

Japanese assault odds: 139 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Kweiteh !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-), morale(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
45 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Units pursuing 1

Allied ground losses:
1697 casualties reported
Squads: 98 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 49 destroyed, 18 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units retreated 2

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
12th Indpt Infantry Regiment
15th Tank Regiment
5th Armored Car Co
13th Indpt Infantry Regiment
32nd Division
26th Engineer Regiment
11th Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
51st Chinese Corps
69th Chinese Corps

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 12/22/2009 7:28:40 AM   
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Hi John,

Great to see you guys at it again. Best of luck

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 12/22/2009 12:41:29 PM   
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Welcome back PzB. Although i do distinctly remember you saying you would NOT go around again - something about RL?? AAAHHHH. The addiction....

are you really prepared to surrender another 4 years of your life??

well, as long as it lasts, i'm in.

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 12/22/2009 5:02:09 PM   
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Great AAR. Good luck taking India, I sure will be watching to see how you do it. I'm in April 42 and still slugging thru Java against a tough opponent. Singapore fell quickly but Burma has been slow due to terrain. If you can control air and sea you should be able to land in India but the American fleet will beat your brains out if you get tied up to long over there. I am sure you know to keep a VERY GOOD SEARCH up, the american carriers went around Australia in my game and attacked my landing in Java before I had adaquate seach established. Sank 2 dozen ak's and then dissappeared

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 12/22/2009 5:12:57 PM   
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Recon and then do more recon. Add in setting your FP and some LBA to naval search is a major key to victory. Yes, it adds more micro-management, but overlook it at your peril. 

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RE: BACK IN BUSINESS - PzB goes East again(st) Andy Mac - 12/22/2009 9:14:17 PM   
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Good to see you all again I was actually waiting for War in the East, but realized it could be a long wait...since my Decisive Battles ebbed out I needed something to raise the adrenaline level each night

So I can just as well spend 1 hour with AE each evening instead of watching tv.

Yah, that's sound advice! I'm putting most of my long range ac on naval 10-20% naval search.
Each turn I go through every single air unit in the combat zones.

Enemy carriers are gathering new Noumea (as usual). Maybe Andy will consider sling shooting them around Oz if he feel threatened.

- It's actually far from certain I will invade India, if I don't find this a viable option I got another most cunning plan!-)

After putting up a chandelier and a christmas tree I was finally done with today's chores. Gawd, every single thing you buy in Norway has to be customized and assembeled - usually requires a skilled handyman

Ok back to the war!

Today we captured Jesselton while Kuching was invaded.
Slow crawl south on the Malayan peninsula. Still building up in Luzon, going to ship reinforcements from Hong Kong but need to sweep more mines and gather some transports.

The KB and Mini KB will both meet at Truk for some R&R before heading out again.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 16, 41

Ran into the Houston and co again! Another stand off, one of our destroyers need some dock time.
Lengthy day time combat - we actually got away lightly from this clash south of Davao.
Strangely this enemy TF hasn't been spotted and we have A-LOT of searchers and bombers in the area.

Day Time Surface Combat, near Talaud-eilanden at 81,95, Range 22,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Fubuki, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Usugumo

Allied Ships
CA Houston, Shell hits 1
DD Scout, Shell hits 1
DD Thanet, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Thracian

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Think we nailed a sub...

ASW attack near Vigan at 80,73

Japanese Ships
DD Yamagumo
DD Asagumo
DD Minegumo
DD Inazuma
DD Ikazuchi

Allied Ships
SS S-39, hits 3, heavy damage

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One of our raiders was caught near Noumea by enemy carriers...RIP!

Morning Air attack on TF, near Anatom at 119,161

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Allied aircraft
F2A-3 Buffalo x 6
SBD-3 Dauntless x 9

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
AMC Hokoku Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires

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