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USA ship art - 12/1/2009 12:46:48 PM   
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Hi guys,this is my version off the US Carrier Lexington class,feedback would be great, so please feel free to let me know what you think off the ship's,thumbs up thumps down




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RE: USA ship art - 12/1/2009 1:47:29 PM   
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I know the Carrier Lexington is a bit late for the period of this game,but she was completed in 1927 I think,anyway I'm working on the Carrier Langley at the moment,and she should be completed sometime tomorrow .

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RE: USA ship art - 12/1/2009 9:13:17 PM   
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US Carrier Langley




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RE: USA ship art - 12/2/2009 12:30:18 PM   
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USA Pre-Dreadnought Illinois class




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RE: USA ship art - 12/2/2009 10:10:37 PM   
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Latest update folks I will be doing all USA Pre-dreadnoughts + Dreadnoughts between now and next week,I'm working on the Indiana class,so that should be complete tomorrow,so that will then let me start to all the Japanese Pre-Dreadnoughts + Dreadnoughts the following week.

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RE: USA ship art - 12/3/2009 7:43:16 AM   
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Excellent, nice & clear.

Kill the flag, it isnt needed.


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RE: USA ship art - 12/3/2009 8:38:12 AM   
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Hi Jeffk,consider the flags lost, I'm dropping them from my art work anyway,by the way I have completed the Indiana class Pre-Dreadnought.




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RE: USA ship art - 12/3/2009 11:18:58 AM   
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Hi guys and yet another USA Pre-Dreadnought done this time it's the Iowa class,by the way Tex if you read this she has already been sent to you cheers




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RE: USA ship art - 12/3/2009 12:01:05 PM   
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I have been asked to do a version of the USA Pre-dreadnoughts pre modernisation without the cage mast's,I am willing to do this no problemo,but I'm consentrating on doing all the USA capital ships first,also if any one has a specific ship in mind,that they would like to see in game,then I will try to create one for them cheers.

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RE: USA ship art - 12/3/2009 2:41:54 PM   
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USA Pre-Dreadnought Illinois class redo I have improved the cage mast for this class to match the other classes.




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RE: USA ship art - 12/3/2009 4:13:44 PM   
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quote:

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I have been asked to do a version of the USA Pre-dreadnoughts pre modernisation without the cage mast's,I am willing to do this no problemo,but I'm consentrating on doing all the USA capital ships first,also if any one has a specific ship in mind,that they would like to see in game,then I will try to create one for them cheers.


Thanks Graham!

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RE: USA ship art - 12/4/2009 10:09:57 AM   
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Ok guys here is the latest addition,to the USA fleet,the Pre-Dreadnought Kearsarge class.

I have started work on the Maine class,it should be available very soon.




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RE: USA ship art - 12/4/2009 2:48:10 PM   
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Yet another completed the Pre-dreadnought Maine class.




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RE: USA ship art - 12/4/2009 3:50:33 PM   
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These ship art threads are great.

I was thinking about this last night while playing the AI. Years ago a forumer called Engineer came up with a great AI mod called "Western Citidel". The Japanese AI was more agressive, but what I also liked was he assumed that ship reinforcement would be at an accelerated wartime level, as opposed to the historical peacetime schedule that WOP has. His AAR for Western Citidel is at http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1449113.

So, for example, he had Pensacola class cruisers popping out in 1927 - it being assumed that their design and construction would be hastened due to the wartime emergency, just like the USA did in WWII. It makes sense, when you think about it. These Pensacolas, and the other "treaty cruisers" were somewhat modified, as there was no "treaty" for them to be restricted by, but not to the point where they turned into any kind of unbeatable super-ship. I think he had the ships commissioned about 2 years earlier then their historical dates.

But I was thinking that, along the "what-if" lines, you might want to consider either the real or modified Pensacola, Northampton, Myoko, Furutaka, and County Class cruisers so accelerated construction schedules can be incorporated into scenerios.

Just a thought. Keep up the great work!

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RE: USA ship art - 12/4/2009 5:42:32 PM   
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Hiya Connfire, using the editor as I do a great deal,I'm not bothered about when a ship actually commisioned,if the time period fits say 1880 - 1930 + if a ship class was built within that time scale,then It's in my scenario,as you are no doubt aware,I have added nearly the entire German High Seas Fleet to the game,plus Italy and even Austria/Hungary,if I know what a ship looks like, then I can do art for it,and then the worlds your oyster!!!

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RE: USA ship art - 12/4/2009 5:57:29 PM   
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Connfire,my favourite ship of all time is the German ww2 battlecruiser Scharnhorst,I'm thinking about adding her in to my scenario here for WAR PLAN ORANGE,I have done the art work for all the German 2nd world war ship's already,I use them in WAR IN THE PACIFIC ADMIRALS EDITION,I prefer WPO because it deals more with ships, and not all them ***** Aircraft Carriers with there ***** planes pissing me off all the time.

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RE: USA ship art - 12/4/2009 6:04:05 PM   
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Hiya Connfire, using the editor as I do a great deal,I'm not bothered about when a ship actually commisioned,if the time period fits say 1880 - 1930 + if a ship class was built within that time scale,then It's in my scenario,as you are no doubt aware,I have added nearly the entire German High Seas Fleet to the game,plus Italy and even Austria/Hungary,if I know what a ship looks like, then I can do art for it,and then the worlds your oyster!!!


Sounds cool. Your edits have already got me thinking of potential scenerios. One that I've been turning over in my head is a 1926 scenerio where the Italians join the Japanese against the allies, and the Italian, French, and Japanese fleets are augmented by former Imperial German ships (the 1919 scuttling would have never happened).

I'm also curious, after reading some of Engineer's old posts, about the feasibility of making or replicating a more agresive AI, as he did, also incorporating the ships you are creating.

IMHO, all 1920's designed ships, even the ones that weren't commissioned until the early 1930s like the classes I listed in my last post, should have at least appeared in the Super Dreadnought scenerio.

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RE: USA ship art - 12/4/2009 6:11:27 PM   
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The way I see it, if it's possible to include ships via the editor,then why not I say,the scuttled High Seas Fleet was a terrible waste,I prefer to use them as a stronger axis force,along with the Italian,Japanese the more the better is the way forward in my opinion,it's a far more interesting game with all these ships added.

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RE: USA ship art - 12/4/2009 6:12:22 PM   
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quote:

Connfire,my favourite ship of all time is the German ww2 battlecruiser Scharnhorst,I'm thinking about adding her in to my scenario here for WAR PLAN ORANGE,I have done the art work for all the German 2nd world war ship's already,I use them in WAR IN THE PACIFIC ADMIRALS EDITION,I prefer WPO because it deals more with ships, and not all them ***** Aircraft Carriers with there ***** planes pissing me off all the time.


Agree - carriers are cool in their own right, but WPO is unique as it allows the battleships be the capital ships they were built to be, while (mostly) uninterrupted by endless waves of carrier and shore-bassed aircraft.

Its funny, when I first read your post, I initially thought you were talking about the WWI armored cruiser Scharnhorst. That was another scenerio I was thinking - WWI takes place in the Pacific instead of Europe, with the German Asiatic Fleet operating out of Tsingtao, Truk, and other former German colonies. I just got done reading "Castles of Steel", so WWI is on my mind.

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RE: USA ship art - 12/4/2009 6:18:46 PM   
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Yip using the editor,I have the German fleet based at Truk,in my scenario Truk has an Naval repair yard,so I don't need to return any badly damaged ships to the Japanese main land,I have added roughly 50 German Uboats as well and they are attacking all over the place along with my German Light cruisers.

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RE: USA ship art - 12/4/2009 6:20:57 PM   
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The way I see it, if it's possible to include ships via the editor,then why not I say,the scuttled High Seas Fleet was a terrible waste,I prefer to use them as a stronger axis force,along with the Italian,Japanese the more the better is the way forward in my opinion,it's a far more interesting game with all these ships added.


Whew! I can't keep up with your posts here! . Huge waste indeed. Amazing how by 1922, when WPO starts, the world's second most powerful fleet only 3 years earlier is rusting underwater in Scapa Flow! Of course, the French and Italians were already saying at the time they wanted to boost their fleets with captured German warships, which was why British and American admirals considered the scuttling a blessing in disguise.

But lots of great alternate history opportunities here!

Anyway, I really gotta go to work now! Talk to you later!

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RE: USA ship art - 12/4/2009 6:23:02 PM   
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Tata the noo catch you later

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RE: USA ship art - 12/5/2009 8:54:29 AM   
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quote:

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quote:

Connfire,my favourite ship of all time is the German ww2 battlecruiser Scharnhorst,I'm thinking about adding her in to my scenario here for WAR PLAN ORANGE,I have done the art work for all the German 2nd world war ship's already,I use them in WAR IN THE PACIFIC ADMIRALS EDITION,I prefer WPO because it deals more with ships, and not all them ***** Aircraft Carriers with there ***** planes pissing me off all the time.


Agree - carriers are cool in their own right, but WPO is unique as it allows the battleships be the capital ships they were built to be, while (mostly) uninterrupted by endless waves of carrier and shore-bassed aircraft.

Its funny, when I first read your post, I initially thought you were talking about the WWI armored cruiser Scharnhorst. That was another scenerio I was thinking - WWI takes place in the Pacific instead of Europe, with the German Asiatic Fleet operating out of Tsingtao, Truk, and other former German colonies. I just got done reading "Castles of Steel", so WWI is on my mind.


I really enjoyed Castles of Steel I read it a couple of years ago


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RE: USA ship art - 12/5/2009 12:35:19 PM   
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This book Castles of Steel,I'm afraid I have not read it yet,but I will try to track a copy down and read it,thats if I can find the time with all the ship art needing done.I think the art that comes with the game is pretty poor,and is desparately in need of a revamp.

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RE: USA ship art - 12/5/2009 3:37:10 PM   
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Ok folks the Virginia class Pre-Dreadnought has just been done.

I will be starting on the Connecticut class later today.




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RE: USA ship art - 12/5/2009 5:27:55 PM   
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I really enjoyed Castles of Steel I read it a couple of years ago


It was a great book - reading it was my reward for finishing its prequel, Dreadnought, which ends the very second that World War I begins. I was sorry when I finally got to the ending of Castles of Steel, as I was really enjoying it. Too bad the author can't put out a third book on the subject, but the Dreadnought era really ended with the scuttling of the High Seas Fleet in 1919.

Dreadnought was fun, too, in a different way. The Royal and Imperial German Navies only took a portion of that book, and much of the rest of it had to do with the politics and personalities in England and Germany, between Queen Victoria and the opening of World War I.

My only complaint about Castles of Steel was I'd have liked a section at the end which wrapped up the lives of the characters who survived the Great War. You never really get told what happens to Fisher, Jellico, Beatty, Tirpiz, Scheer, Hipper, etc. I guess that's what wikipedia is for.

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RE: USA ship art - 12/6/2009 1:55:20 PM   
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Thanks for the info Connfire,I look forward to reading the book,I have ordered a copy and it should be delivered soon,in the mean time I have just completed my version off the Connecticut class Pre-Dreadnought.




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RE: USA ship art - 12/20/2009 4:20:58 AM   
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Great White Fleet VERSION BB ILLINOIS

What do you guys prefer USA ships white or grey?




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RE: USA ship art - 12/20/2009 9:25:08 AM   
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Dressed in white I think I would prefer pole masts. Of course, more realistic for a war setting would be the gray.

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RE: USA ship art - 1/9/2010 3:59:11 PM   
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Hi Connfire,as requested the USA Pensacola class cruiser




Name: Pensacola class cruiser
Operators: United States Navy
Preceded by: St.Louis-class cruiser
Succeeded by: Northampton-class cruiser
In commission: 1929 - 1947
Completed: 2
Retired: 2
Preserved: 0
General characteristics
Type: Heavy Cruiser
Displacement: 9100 tons (standard)
11512 tons (full)
Length: 585.5 ft (178.5 m)
Beam: 65.0 ft (19.8 m)
Draft: 19.5 ft (5.9 m)
Propulsion: Steam turbines
8 boilers
4 Screws
107000 Horsepower
Speed: 32.5 knots
Complement: 653

Armament:
10 × 8 inch/55 caliber guns (2×2, 2×3)
8 × single 5 inch/38 caliber guns
4 × quad 1.1 inch/75 caliber guns (as built)
24 × 40 mm Bofors guns (1943)
28 × 20 mm Oerlikon cannons (1943)
6 × 21-inch torpedo tubes (removed before 1941)

Armor:
2.5-4 inch belt
1-1.75 inch decks
.75-2.5 inch turrets
.75 inch barbettes
1.25 inch CT

Aircraft carried: 2


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