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V2.1C BTR Map Mod - 10/8/2009 3:44:17 PM   
Nicholas Bell

 

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Status: offline 		Version 2 on my BTR Map Mod including country borders, city names (where I could squeeze them in!) and modified coastline in some areas.

V2.1  Darker Water and Spelling corrections.  6 JAN 10
Note that I have not stuck with any convention regarding spelling of named locations.  German cities are generally in German form.  Other locations are generally follow English spelling.

Includes my modifed target icons if you want to use them.

Please read the readme.htm file included.

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RE: Bombing the Reich Map Mod - 10/8/2009 3:45:35 PM   
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RE: Bombing the Reich Map Mod - 12/31/2009 4:46:59 PM   
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RE: Bombing the Reich Map Mod - 12/31/2009 4:47:37 PM   
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RE: V2.0 BTR Map Mod - 12/31/2009 7:49:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Nicholas,

I like these a lot. The naming of towns looks good. I lose track of places too easily as the map scrolls across Europe. Your names helps with that.

Also like keeping the same style icons through all the zoom levels. This saves confusion of remembering two different sets of pic for each target. Some of yours become more detailed as you go in. Love the fuel and chem ones.

Can I ask how you drew the coast outline ? Did you just trace round the coast of the game map, or use another method ?

regards Otis

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RE: V2.0 BTR Map Mod - 12/31/2009 11:49:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Otis,

Glad you find the map and icons useful! The coastline was modified using a real map image (National Geographic Europe 1939) distorted to fit the BTR map, which appears not to match any know projection (it's compressed horizontally and angled a few degrees from those map projections which are close). Then I redrew it as necessary to work around the targets. Although it looks more like a real map at first glance, it is still pretty inaccurate. I attempted to add rivers, but in order to get them to flow through the towns they actually do, they meandered so much they didn't look like the rivers they are to represent. So I left them off. There is enough clutter as is.

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RE: V2.0 BTR Map Mod - 1/1/2010 10:28:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nicholas, thank you for the map.
I'm a german player and the city 'Braunschwieg' is called 'Braunschweig' here in Germany.
Or is it the same behavior with the city names as we called here the city Warsaw 'Warschau'?

Regards,
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RE: V2.0 BTR Map Mod - 1/1/2010 11:58:07 PM   
Nicholas Bell

 

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Status: offline 		No, just bad spelling on my part. Let's see what other mistakes I made and I'll fix them.


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Nicholas, thank you for the map.
I'm a german player and the city 'Braunschwieg' is called 'Braunschweig' here in Germany.
Or is it the same behavior with the city names as we called here the city Warsaw 'Warschau'?

Regards,
Creeper



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RE: V2.0 BTR Map Mod - 1/2/2010 12:47:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		thank you Nicholas especially for very nice modified target icons!

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RE: V2.0 BTR Map Mod - 1/4/2010 11:02:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Excellent Nicholas,  Only problem is that I dont use the aircrat icons and the yellow boxes are hard to see over the pale blue oceans.

The other 99.99999% is great.


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RE: V2.0 BTR Map Mod - 1/4/2010 3:46:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JeffK
Only problem is that I dont use the aircrat icons and the yellow boxes are hard to see over the pale blue oceans.


I can deepen the color a bit, but too much and then seeing the black and red lines becomes a problem. A tough balancing act, especially since everyone's monitors and eyes are different - especially mine since my eyes and brain are mildly "color deficient" (Anomalous trichromacy).

Will make some adjustment when I post the next version with spelling corrections in a few days.

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RE: V2.0 BTR Map Mod - 1/4/2010 6:34:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		you could make the Ocean white, that fits well in the look and feel of a real WWII map, where colours were scarce.

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RE: V2.0 BTR Map Mod - 1/4/2010 6:51:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Great mod, i like the new icons 

PD: a little observation, for engine factories you use the E leter, for avionics C.. what mean C ??? and can add a letter for aircraft facotories??? could be A from assemble 

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RE: V2.0 BTR Map Mod - 1/4/2010 7:57:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Derfel
you could make the Ocean white, that fits well in the look and feel of a real WWII map, where colours were scarce.


There are white boxes and white distance lines which will disappear then. I am open to suggestions and creating more than one version. Perhaps shades of grey for water and land?

The key issue with the colors is we have game symbology with orange, blue, red, black and white lines & boxes. Whatever color is used for the map has to contrast all of them.

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RE: V2.0 BTR Map Mod - 1/4/2010 8:10:29 PM   
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Great mod, i like the new icons 

PD: a little observation, for engine factories you use the E leter, for avionics C.. what mean C ??? and can add a letter for aircraft facotories??? could be A from assemble 


You are welcome!

The "C" follows the game labeling of CFAC.

AFAC = Assembly Factory AirCraft
EFAC = Engine Factory AirCraft
CFAC = Component Factory AirCraft

In the real world "avionics" refers to electronic systems in the aircraft. The factories labeled CFAC on the map were in fact historically producing mostly wings, landing gear, propellers, not just the radios, radar, and instrument panels. So IMO the program map and labeling is correct and the manual is a bit off.

I did not add the "A" to assembly factories because in my thinking a plain old aircraft factory is where they put them together No labeling needed.

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RE: V2.0 BTR Map Mod - 1/5/2010 9:55:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, i know that "avionics" in the game refers to the aircraft components in real life they can produce wings, chasis etc and in true life these are produce in many small "factories", japanese "home" factories is an extreme example hehehe.

Well, add a letter to aircraft factories isnt necesary because if engine is E, component is C the other plane icon is assambly

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RE: V2.1 BTR Map Mod - 1/6/2010 7:43:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is how the darker water in V 2.1 appears. Hopefully this will help with the visibility of the orange raid lines.




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RE: V2.1 BTR Map Mod - 1/7/2010 4:20:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		this looks much better !
Thanx


 Maybe you could colour all the countries with slightly different colours?

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RE: V2.1 BTR Map Mod - 1/8/2010 8:47:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: swift
Maybe you could colour all the countries with slightly different colours?



Download this file (image in the next message):


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RE: V2.1C BTR Map Mod - 1/8/2010 8:47:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Which looks like this:

If you want to work with this yourself, here's the PSD file for your use. You'll have to slice up the image into 512x512 pixel segments and name them.

Sendspace 4 MB Download:
http://www.sendspace.com/file/913uuq

NOTE: If you okay with these colors the download is in the message above.





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RE: V2.1C BTR Map Mod - 1/9/2010 1:40:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Don't get me wrong here, Nick, I like your work - particularly the multi-coloured one, but I just wanted to make an observation that amuses me...

Matrix paid good money to have the old map re-coloured and made more realistic. Then these bloody players come along and practically monotone the whole thing.

Keep up the good work.


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RE: V2.1C BTR Map Mod - 1/9/2010 2:21:16 PM   
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RE: V2.1C BTR Map Mod - 1/11/2010 8:25:21 AM   
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Don't get me wrong here, Nick, I like your work - particularly the multi-coloured one, but I just wanted to make an observation that amuses me...

Matrix paid good money to have the old map re-coloured and made more realistic. Then these bloody players come along and practically monotone the whole thing.

Keep up the good work.



1. Matrix should have made the map better in the first place.

2. Matrix should draw on the skills & knowledge of the players by giving them an editor to do these mods. WITP would be dead in the water if not for the Andrew Brown maps and the CHS, Nik, BigB & RHS mods.



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RE: V2.1C BTR Map Mod - 1/11/2010 12:39:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Does this mod make loading faster (as if i need a speed boost)?
But it looks so clear, similar to old board games.


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RE: V2.1C BTR Map Mod - 1/11/2010 2:02:00 PM   
Nicholas Bell

 

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Status: offline 		The bmp files are about 1/3 the size of the originals, so there may be some improvement in load times dependent on your video card.

My map is no doubt influenced by my board wargame background - I was playing AH Luftwaffe in 1972! Even more important these days is my eyes need all the help they can get!


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Does this mod make loading faster (as if i need a speed boost)?
But it looks so clear, similar to old board games.



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RE: V2.1C BTR Map Mod - 1/11/2010 6:19:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Great, now is easy see cities and they have name!!! great job Nicholas, expecting that you continue without social life  is a joke 

PD:

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RE: V2.1C BTR Map Mod - 4/5/2010 7:46:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Nick <S>

Just wondering if there is a mod that only adds National Boundries but leaves all the original artwork and icons at default settings? I thought there was such a mod but I cant seem to find it now. Not to take anything away from this outstanding map mod. I just prefer the look of the original.

Regards,
KayBay

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RE: V2.1C BTR Map Mod - 4/6/2010 1:18:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Deckard777 did do one but he withdrew all his mods for some reason some time ago but I am not sure why.

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RE: V2.1C BTR Map Mod - 4/6/2010 3:32:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Something like this would not take that long to do; kind of best of both worlds. What do people think?




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RE: V2.1C BTR Map Mod - 4/6/2010 3:48:06 AM   
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