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John Maynard... - 8/24/2009 6:39:52 PM   
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RE: John Maynard... - 8/24/2009 6:49:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hardly. The model is vastly more sophisticated than anything conceived by Keynes. The are for example, two types of raw material necessary for production.

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RE: John Maynard... - 8/24/2009 6:53:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually the economic model is based on the writings of another great thinker named Maynard:

Maynard G. Krebs



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RE: John Maynard... - 8/24/2009 6:58:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		ECONOMIC MODEL? Are you sure you are talking about WITP? The Allies (who actually had an economy) don't even have a "production model". And the Japs (who's economic model was pretty much "try to steal and ship home enough resources to keep the factories running".) aren't really facing many economic challanges either.

What were you looking/hoping for?

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RE: John Maynard... - 8/24/2009 7:10:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		For me, as the Allies, the economy seemingly boils down to this:

Ship vast quantities of fuel to OZ to be inefficiently exchanged for 10 Wirraways a month.

I'm tempted to let Australia die of thirst. At least what goes to New Zealand, stays in New Zealand.

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RE: John Maynard... - 8/24/2009 7:12:32 PM   
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I hope we don't have to start making decisions on interest rates and money supply, it's getting a little complex as it is!

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RE: John Maynard... - 8/24/2009 7:27:26 PM   
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Status: online 		The economic model in WITP most likely is much more closely tied to the work of Wassily Leontief rather than that of J.M. Keynes:

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Leontief earned the Nobel Prize in Economics for his work on input-output tables. Input-output tables analyze the process by which inputs from one industry produce outputs for consumption or for inputs for another industry. With the input-output table, one can estimate the change in demand for inputs resulting from a change in production of the final good. The analysis assumes that input proportions are fixed; thus the use of input-output analysis is limited to rough approximations rather than prediction. Input-output was novel and inspired large-scale empirical work.

And, believe me, the work of Leontief (and Keynes) was vastly more sophisticated than anything that might appear in WITP/AE.


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RE: John Maynard... - 8/24/2009 7:28:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Naskra

Hardly. The model is vastly more sophisticated than anything conceived by Keynes. The are for example, two types of raw material necessary for production.




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RE: John Maynard... - 8/24/2009 8:01:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Don't get me wrong, I am loving AE, but the economic model seems disturbingly....well..... Keynesian


How so?

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RE: John Maynard... - 8/24/2009 9:07:42 PM   
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Actually the economic model is based on the writings of another great thinker named Maynard:

Maynard G. Krebs





Ah, yes... Dobie Gillis with Bob Denver as Maynard.

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RE: John Maynard... - 8/24/2009 9:14:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ChezDaJez


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ORIGINAL: Beezle

Actually the economic model is based on the writings of another great thinker named Maynard:

Maynard G. Krebs





Ah, yes... Dobie Gillis with Bob Denver as Maynard.



I see that your memory does work on occasion!

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RE: John Maynard... - 8/24/2009 9:32:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bradfordkay


quote:

ORIGINAL: ChezDaJez


quote:

ORIGINAL: Beezle

Actually the economic model is based on the writings of another great thinker named Maynard:

Maynard G. Krebs





Ah, yes... Dobie Gillis with Bob Denver as Maynard.



I see that your memory does work on occasion!



Slammed!!! You know that this means war... wait, we're already at war... well, then that means you will lose... no, wait, I'm the one losing...

... ... ...

erm, I'll think of something you'll be sorry for!!!

Where's my turn???

Chez

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RE: John Maynard... - 8/25/2009 2:42:19 AM   
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At least what goes to New Zealand, stays in New Zealand.


I thought that only happened in Las Vegas?



(For the non-Yanks among us there is a popular American expression/cliche "What happens in Las Vegas stays in Las Vegas.")


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RE: John Maynard... - 8/25/2009 6:08:24 AM   
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At least what goes to New Zealand, stays in New Zealand.



Sorry have to disagree with you there… Being a New Zealander I can tell you some facts:

#1 there is currently 5 million Kiwis living on this planet, 4 million living in New Zealand, with 1 million living and working overseas. We export our people!

#2 the New Zealand banking industry is owned by Australian banks, and the energy industry by Canadian companies. Both these industries are making vast profits though price gouging, and shipping these profits overseas by the Container Ship. We export our money!


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RE: John Maynard... - 8/25/2009 6:11:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Blackhorse


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ORIGINAL: mjk428
At least what goes to New Zealand, stays in New Zealand.


I thought that only happened in Las Vegas?



(For the non-Yanks among us there is a popular American expression/cliche "What happens in Las Vegas stays in Las Vegas.")


I was thinking my Wife she is a money pit.(what go to her stays with her)

Tiger!

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RE: John Maynard... - 8/25/2009 6:42:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ChezDaJez


quote:

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay


quote:

ORIGINAL: ChezDaJez


quote:

ORIGINAL: Beezle

Actually the economic model is based on the writings of another great thinker named Maynard:

Maynard G. Krebs





Ah, yes... Dobie Gillis with Bob Denver as Maynard.



I see that your memory does work on occasion!



Slammed!!! You know that this means war... wait, we're already at war... well, then that means you will lose... no, wait, I'm the one losing...

... ... ...

erm, I'll think of something you'll be sorry for!!!

Where's my turn???

Chez



On the way...

BTW: I would say that a Japanese player who in July 1944 still controls Darwin, Port Moresby, Guadalcanal and Tarawa is not losing...

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RE: John Maynard... - 8/25/2009 7:20:30 AM   
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I was thinking my Wife she is a money pit.(what go to her stays with her)

Tiger!


I think that probably many spouse are this way

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RE: John Maynard... - 8/25/2009 11:54:07 AM   
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RE: John Maynard... - 8/25/2009 12:21:06 PM   
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Or isnt that nationality based? ;)




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Don't agree .
Everything to goes to my wive is never to be seen again .... ever



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RE: John Maynard... - 8/25/2009 1:51:45 PM   
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Sorry have to disagree with you there… Being a New Zealander I can tell you some facts:

#1 there is currently 5 million Kiwis living on this planet, 4 million living in New Zealand, with 1 million living and working overseas. We export our people!

#2 the New Zealand banking industry is owned by Australian banks, and the energy industry by Canadian companies. Both these industries are making vast profits though price gouging, and shipping these profits overseas by the Container Ship. We export our money!


Working?? really?? i reckon about 500,000 are living on the Gold Coast. Not sure how many of them are working though!!

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