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WITP is dead, long live WITP (AE)? - 7/29/2009 1:59:54 AM   
Sarconix

 

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Status: offline 		So is it safe to say that all of "the action" will be moving to the AE forum, or will the original WITP still get some decent traffic here? Perhaps it is too early to say, just curious.

Almost 650,000 posts here... remarkable.
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RE: WITP is dead, long live WITP (AE)? - 7/29/2009 2:09:25 AM   
n01487477


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Status: offline 		I'll be here, and I'm sure that a lot of people will return to play and continue playing the more simple witp "classic"...

--Damian--

THIS doesn't mean I won't be playing AE.

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RE: WITP is dead, long live WITP (AE)? - 7/29/2009 2:18:58 AM   
V22 Osprey


Posts: 1590
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From: Corona, CA
Status: offline 		I know, I'm getting vanilla WitP digital download tomorrow, I too am worried I'm going to be the only one here.I'm not getting AE until mid-august, so I'm going to feel left out for a while...

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RE: WITP is dead, long live WITP (AE)? - 7/29/2009 2:52:43 AM   
jwilkerson


Posts: 10228
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Status: offline 		WITP has been one of the most - if not the most successful long running game of its type I've heard of - it won't die in a day. I still play WITP and WPO and love both!!!! And I've been working on AE in every spare moment! But I actually find value in playing WITP to help me think about what AE should be. And WITP is "FUN" whereas AE is "work" !!!

But I definitely do - and will do - both.



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RE: WITP is dead, long live WITP (AE)? - 7/29/2009 3:07:33 AM   
Peter Fisla


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From: Canada
Status: offline 		I will keep the classic WitP as well, I have been playing it since what 2004 or even earlier can't remember. I know roughly what WitP can and can't do....AE still has to prove itself :)

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RE: WITP is dead, long live WITP (AE)? - 7/29/2009 4:29:53 AM   
Panman


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Status: offline 		Will be playing both here as well

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RE: WITP is dead, long live WITP (AE)? - 7/29/2009 5:42:38 AM   
SierraJuliet


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Status: offline 		tocaff and i are committed to the long haul in our Battle Down Under Campaign.  We have just entered April 1942 so there is plenty of fight left in WITP for both of us.  Needless to say we both have an eye to AE like everyone else but in the meantime there is still unfinished business in the of WITP.  SJ

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RE: WITP is dead, long live WITP (AE)? - 7/29/2009 6:08:26 AM   
n01487477


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ORIGINAL: SierraJuliet

tocaff and i are committed to the long haul in our Battle Down Under Campaign.  We have just entered April 1942 so there is plenty of fight left in WITP for both of us.  Needless to say we both have an eye to AE like everyone else but in the meantime there is still unfinished business in the of WITP.  SJ

Good to hear SJ,
and you still haven't won your graduation 1st PBEM medal yet, but looks like you are doing a fine job from what I've read... Hope I'm not sounding too patronising.

Cheers
Damian

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RE: WITP is dead, long live WITP (AE)? - 7/29/2009 6:45:11 AM   
bradfordkay

 

Posts: 8183
Joined: 3/24/2002
From: Olympia, WA
Status: offline 		ChezDaJez and I are into June '44 in our PBEM and intend to play it out (even if it goes into 1946). However, I don't know just how much longer most of us will be hanging out on this forum (compared to the AE forum). Aside from reading Hibiki's story, that is... 

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RE: WITP is dead, long live WITP (AE)? - 7/29/2009 9:03:07 AM   
cantona2


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Status: offline 		Ill be in both unitl i finish both m WitP PBEM's

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RE: WITP is dead, long live WITP (AE)? - 7/29/2009 9:26:53 AM   
Alfred

 

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Status: offline 		I will most certainly remain here.  I have no intention of getting AE until at least the first patch has been released.  In the meantime there are several AARs to be followed - those combating Nemo121, the work of art that is Cap Mandrake (besides how will he cope with the Viking long boat ceremony), the cautious but comprehensive approach of wneumann, the journalistic style of cantona plus several others' etc.

Alfred

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RE: WITP is dead, long live WITP (AE)? - 7/29/2009 9:28:47 AM   
SierraJuliet


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quote:

ORIGINAL: n01487477

quote:

ORIGINAL: SierraJuliet

tocaff and i are committed to the long haul in our Battle Down Under Campaign.  We have just entered April 1942 so there is plenty of fight left in WITP for both of us.  Needless to say we both have an eye to AE like everyone else but in the meantime there is still unfinished business in the of WITP.  SJ

Good to hear SJ,
and you still haven't won your graduation 1st PBEM medal yet, but looks like you are doing a fine job from what I've read... Hope I'm not sounding too patronising.

Cheers
Damian



Graduation.... Medal..... is that the reward for making it all the way to the end. Todd keeps reminding me that he is hurting but I take that with a big grain of salt..... he still has a mighty fleet in the wings and it will only become more powerful. But for the time being I still have the ability to turn the screws a little tighter but I suspect I will be up against that line in the sand sometime soon. Whatever the outcome I've always got the memory of hunting down Enterprise for my trophy cabinet.

No patronising detected there at all Damian. My aim is to put together a credible Japanese effort while getting to grips with this game. Every turn brings new learning experiences which hopefully I won't forget when I fire up my next PBEM - that won't be for a while though.

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RE: WITP is dead, long live WITP (AE)? - 7/29/2009 11:18:33 AM   
Sarganto


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Status: offline 		I think a lot of people will stay here or be in both forums, as many WitP PBEMs are still going on and probably will go on for years :D
I myself will stick to WitP for now, because it took me so much time getting into this, that I don't want to dive into something new right now, that needs even more "work" than WitP itself.

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RE: WITP is dead, long live WITP (AE)? - 7/29/2009 12:05:25 PM   
castor troy


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Status: offline 		WITP is not dead...

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RE: WITP is dead, long live WITP (AE)? - 7/29/2009 2:03:56 PM   
Misconduct


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quote:

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

WITP has been one of the most - if not the most successful long running game of its type I've heard of - it won't die in a day. I still play WITP and WPO and love both!!!! And I've been working on AE in every spare moment! But I actually find value in playing WITP to help me think about what AE should be. And WITP is "FUN" whereas AE is "work" !!!

But I definitely do - and will do - both.




You know for once I agree with you, I have to argue the only 2 games that I believe been around that long with updates and live action was counterstrike and WiTP.
I believe counterstrike only stuck around due to the popularity over time, however its biggest draw back was cheating.

Jwilkerson AE and WITP are technically both work, and I get paid to play both... While at work and nothings going on I tend to crack open my laptop and check out my turns, while I am still at work getting paid to play..

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RE: WITP is dead, long live WITP (AE)? - 7/29/2009 2:14:53 PM   
RUPD3658


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Misconduct

Jwilkerson AE and WITP are technically both work, and I get paid to play both... While at work and nothings going on I tend to crack open my laptop and check out my turns, while I am still at work getting paid to play..



Hmm....playing on work time. Makes your handle even more appropriate


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RE: WITP is dead, long live WITP (AE)? - 7/29/2009 4:02:17 PM   
Canoerebel


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From: Northwestern Georgia, USA
Status: offline 		You'll see exactly what happened with UV. People will stick around for a long time, and newcomers will join, but if AE proves succesful, as did WitP, people will shift over there and gradually WitP will become "the few, the proud, the remnant." I was one of the die-hard UV folks and it was kind of painful to see everybody flock to WitP. Eventually I gave up and went that way too (and I was most glad that I did!).

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RE: WITP is dead, long live WITP (AE)? - 7/29/2009 4:16:06 PM   
Q-Ball


Posts: 5261
Joined: 6/25/2002
From: Chicago, Illinois
Status: offline 		I'm in both, for a few reasons; first, to finish out current PBEMs, but also because I want to wait for a patch or two before committing long-term to an AE PBEM. The nastiest problems should come out in the first month or so as everyone beats on the AE engine, in the meantime I plan to spar the AI to get my brain around the changes in logistics, which are massive.

I foresee though leaving WITP for the new girl in a few months


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RE: WITP is dead, long live WITP (AE)? - 7/29/2009 6:30:23 PM   
Q-Ball


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From: Chicago, Illinois
Status: offline 		As I write this, 5 people are looking at the WITP. I can't count those looking at AE, but it's a HUGE list.

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RE: WITP is dead, long live WITP (AE)? - 7/29/2009 9:32:14 PM   
tocaff


Posts: 3971
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From: USA now in Brasil
Status: online 		I'll be continuing my 2 WITP PBEMs for as long as it takes to taste victory or the agony of defeat.  In 1 I'm in 8/42 as the Japanese and have soom looming setbacks to deal with.  The other game is against Steve (SJ) and we've just entered 4/42.  I'm especially enjoying doing the AAR, though some good news for the Allies would be nice.  I got AE on the release day and am now finally going to get some time to tinker with it.  WITP with some additional patches will keep things going.

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RE: WITP is dead, long live WITP (AE)? - 7/29/2009 10:10:54 PM   
OSO


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Alfred

I have no intention of getting AE until at least the first patch has been released. 
Alfred


You might want to consider your thoughts on this. If you do intend to buy AE, buy it before the price increase. I still paid over 80 bucks for the physical + digital. That is with the discount. Why pay 20 more?

I still have a PBEM going which is only in OCT 43. We have no intention of ending the game soon and I don't have the time available to play AE. The current game can take anywhere up to 4 hours for one turn now.

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RE: WITP is dead, long live WITP (AE)? - 7/29/2009 10:20:57 PM   
bobogoboom


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Status: offline 		will probobly keep one witp:chs game going because it is alot less time than ae will be. i doubt i will ever have time for 2 ae games going at once.

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RE: WITP is dead, long live WITP (AE)? - 7/29/2009 10:58:51 PM   
USS America


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Status: online 		My WitP CHS game with Mynok is in late May '42.  We have no plans to end it until someone is defeated, so WitP WILL live on! 

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RE: WITP is dead, long live WITP (AE)? - 7/30/2009 12:00:22 AM   
LST Express


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Status: online 		I still have to finish my current witp campaign against my long and dear friend, the Japanese AI. I have WITP and AE now, and I intend to play both until I'm so confused I don't know if I'm coming or a going!

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RE: WITP is dead, long live WITP (AE)? - 7/30/2009 12:59:19 AM   
FAsea

 

Posts: 403
Joined: 6/25/2009
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Status: offline 		I bought WITP along with AE but I haven't even installed it yet. I agree with not starting a GC in AE until the first patch and I'm sure as time goes on there will some good WITP vs. AE comparisons that might make me glad to have both, especially if I keep playing PBEM. (since I don't see any reason to play WITP for the AI)

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RE: WITP is dead, long live WITP (AE)? - 7/30/2009 4:34:03 PM   
Lord Sunderland

 

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Status: offline 		My WITP game as Japan against the AI is now in September 45. Auto victories have been ignored just so i could play through and see how the AI does when the full stream of US military might comes to bear. Not paying enough attention because of thinking about AE has just caused my second Midway- 4 carriers lost from a stupid chase move to ensure I sank a battleship force which had raided  Kwaj, which ran into I don't know how many US carriers. All i got was one torpedo hit on one carrier in return. That follows up from a 1944 battle of the coral sea where I also lost 4 carriers- again being overconfident.
AE is downloaded and on my computer, and I've started tinkering with day 1 scenario 1 with it. But I do feel that a game I have been playing on and off for two and a half  years should be taken into game end in 1946- if only to see the end screens!  so I will jump about both I think. 

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RE: WITP is dead, long live WITP (AE)? - 7/30/2009 5:20:50 PM   
vettim89


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From: Toledo, Ohio
Status: offline 		Personally I am holding off on an AE PBEM as I fear there may be a bug or two pop up that could possibly cause a restart or two. As I usually play the Allies, the thought of having to endure the opening Japanese juggernaut more than once is less than appealing. My current PBEM opponent and I are dedicated to finishing our game which is now in July 1944. Also, thinking there might be some AE mods appearing soon. Actually thinking of doing one myself to try to address ASW which is my pet peeve. ALso, AE is a bit overwhelming and I think you'll still see a lot of WiTP action. I know Erik got grilled for taking the position that AE may be too hard of a game to conquer without previous WiTP experience but I, for one, think he may be correct. I could not imagine taking on AE without the two years of WiTP play I have under my belt

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RE: WITP is dead, long live WITP (AE)? - 7/30/2009 10:11:50 PM   
bilbow


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quote:

ORIGINAL: vettim89

Personally I am holding off on an AE PBEM as I fear there may be a bug or two pop up that could possibly cause a restart or two. As I usually play the Allies, the thought of having to endure the opening Japanese juggernaut more than once is less than appealing. My current PBEM opponent and I are dedicated to finishing our game which is now in July 1944. Also, thinking there might be some AE mods appearing soon. Actually thinking of doing one myself to try to address ASW which is my pet peeve. ALso, AE is a bit overwhelming and I think you'll still see a lot of WiTP action. I know Erik got grilled for taking the position that AE may be too hard of a game to conquer without previous WiTP experience but I, for one, think he may be correct. I could not imagine taking on AE without the two years of WiTP play I have under my belt


After messing around with AE I think Erik is right that many fresh players jumping right into AE without some WITP experience will be disappointed. I've been playing WITP literally every day since release, and I find myself strugging a bit to get my mind around the changes. It's a big learning curve for us vets, and I have difficultly imagining what it would be like without the WITP experience. It's one thng to just fire it up against the Jap AI to see what happens, but a whole different kettle to actually plan up a major operation, or that ultimate experience, the Jap first turn.

I'll get there, but I've still got 4 WITP PBEMs going, so there's no hurry to make the move.

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RE: WITP is dead, long live WITP (AE)? - 7/31/2009 12:44:44 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Sarconix

So is it safe to say that all of "the action" will be moving to the AE forum, or will the original WITP still get some decent traffic here? Perhaps it is too early to say, just curious.

Almost 650,000 posts here... remarkable.


Actually I still have a Vanilla WiTP game going that we have agreed to finish, currently the game is at September of 1942. So i wouldn't say WiTP is dead...just diminished.

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RE: WITP is dead, long live WITP (AE)? - 7/31/2009 1:05:53 PM   
Chris H

 

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ORIGINAL: n01487477

I'll be here, and I'm sure that a lot of people will return to play and continue playing the more simple witp "classic"...

--Damian--

THIS doesn't mean I won't be playing AE.

quote:

...... continue playing the more simple witp "classic"...


Now that's a word I've not heard when discribing WitP before.

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