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RE: Alternate WNT Scenarios - 9/5/2009 5:55:52 PM   
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RE: Alternate WNT Scenarios - 9/5/2009 7:11:59 PM   
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This of course presupposes that the light cruiser of that name isn't built, but it would be a proper name for the battlecruiser.

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RE: Alternate WNT Scenarios - 9/6/2009 11:35:30 AM   
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What do you mean?

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RE: Alternate WNT Scenarios - 9/6/2009 12:34:00 PM   
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PS - Does anyone have any naming suggestions for the first (and only completed) Dutch 1047 BC for the BB Variant?

You have to be carefull if you put the Dutch BC in. They calculated with the Scharnhorst battleships and wanted to adopt them somewhat. They asked for the plans but didn't recieve them... for good reasons! The Scharnhorst class was bigger and better than officially announced, so you have to consider that the Dutch BC didn't want to copy the historc Scharnhorst but a kind of Scharnhorst light.

If you need some informations about the Dutch Naval expansion plan, I can give you the Article from Warship Internatinoal

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RE: Alternate WNT Scenarios - 9/6/2009 12:41:42 PM   
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PS - Does anyone have any naming suggestions for the first (and only completed) Dutch 1047 BC for the BB Variant?

You have to be carefull if you put the Dutch BC in. They calculated with the Scharnhorst battleships and wanted to adopt them somewhat. They asked for the plans but didn't recieve them... for good reasons! The Scharnhorst class was bigger and better than officially announced, so you have to consider that the Dutch BC didn't want to copy the historc Scharnhorst but a kind of Scharnhorst light.

If you need some informations about the Dutch Naval expansion plan, I can give you the Article from Warship Internatinoal


Yeah, I realise this. Really they fall somewhere closer to the Alaskas than the Scharnhorsts as I understand.

One also has to consider that if the first is to have arried in the DEI in say, late '41, plans would have to have been finalised in 1936-1937.

So if youve got anything on it early in the design phase that would be great.

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RE: Alternate WNT Scenarios - 9/6/2009 7:29:34 PM   
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PS - Does anyone have any naming suggestions for the first (and only completed) Dutch 1047 BC for the BB Variant?

You have to be carefull if you put the Dutch BC in. They calculated with the Scharnhorst battleships and wanted to adopt them somewhat. They asked for the plans but didn't recieve them... for good reasons! The Scharnhorst class was bigger and better than officially announced, so you have to consider that the Dutch BC didn't want to copy the historc Scharnhorst but a kind of Scharnhorst light.

If you need some informations about the Dutch Naval expansion plan, I can give you the Article from Warship Internatinoal


Yeah, I realise this. Really they fall somewhere closer to the Alaskas than the Scharnhorsts as I understand.

One also has to consider that if the first is to have arried in the DEI in say, late '41, plans would have to have been finalised in 1936-1937.

So if youve got anything on it early in the design phase that would be great.


Hey if i would create the Zeven prov BC i would mix it .
Like the CL De Ruyter (yes i know for some it is CA Deruyter) with a "spy mix of scharnhoerst ore even better de Graf Spee.
I really love thoose German BB and BC Had an uncle how served on the scharnhorst .

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RE: Alternate WNT Scenarios - 9/10/2009 9:10:56 AM   
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One more question. What will the deployment for the new ships look like? I mean surely you don't want to put both Lex CCs into Pearl and risk that both will be lost on the very first turn. Also what about the Japanese BBs?

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RE: Alternate WNT Scenarios - 9/10/2009 9:13:46 AM   
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Why wouldn't he? The US had no way of knowing that the eight battleships that were there historically were in danger, and Pearl was the main PacFleet base outside CONUS.

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RE: Alternate WNT Scenarios - 9/10/2009 10:29:38 AM   
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You're 100% right, I'm just hoping he does not want to crash the fun factor

At least one of the CCs would be nice to retain. I'd say let's put'em to escort their CV half sisters

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RE: Alternate WNT Scenarios - 9/10/2009 10:49:13 AM   
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RE: Alternate WNT Scenarios - 9/10/2009 11:24:22 AM   
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There Japanese BBs are spread out a little;

IJN;
Kongo/Haruna - Escorting KB
Hiei/Kirishima - Escorting Malaya landings
Fuso/Yamashiro - At Tokyo
Ide/Hyuga - At Yokosuka
Nagato/Mutsu - At Kure
Tosa/Kaga - At Kure
Harima - At Fukuoka
Sagami/Suruga - At Takao (in a fast move TF)
Echizen/Shinano - At Kure
Yamato/Musashi - At Kure

Amagi/Akagi - With KB
Shokaku - At Truk
Taiho/Shoho - With KB
Soryu/Koryu - With KB

USN;
Standard BBs (Minus Washington, New Mexico) - Pearl Harbour
Washington - Seattle
New Mexico - San Francisco
Constitution - Pearl Harbour
Constellation - With Saratoga returning from Noumea

Lexington - San Francisco (Undergoing refit)
Saratoga - Returning from Noumea
Wasp - Atlantic
Hornet - On the way to Pearl, just depearted West Coast
Yorktown - Pearl Harbour
Enterprise - On the way to Midway
Ranger - Atlantic
Essex - Atlantic

British assets in the area are;
Howe - Singapore
Jellicoe - Singapore
Beatty - Enroute to Singapore with Courageous (near Ceylon)
Warspite - Ceylon

Hermes - Ceylon
Courageous - Enroute to Singapore (near Ceylon)

Dutch;
De Zeven Provinzien - Returning to Soerabaja

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RE: Alternate WNT Scenarios - 9/10/2009 11:37:24 AM   
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Thanks for the headsup Juan! Sounds good to me ;). Good idea to put a CV into Pearl - it may or may not get creamed and it gives a nice little imbalance to the scenario. Usually as an Allied player one considers the BBs in Pearl as a writeoff, so whatever escapes there is a free gift.

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RE: Alternate WNT Scenarios - 9/11/2009 3:21:27 AM   
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Hey guys.

With the patch out I can finally start working on this again.

I'm currently travelling, so while I'll be able to get some work done, we're probably looking at a release later next week, as I want to rerun the AtA and Naval Combat tests to see if the modifications I made are still accurate.

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RE: Alternate WNT Scenarios - 9/11/2009 7:34:47 AM   
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Hi Juan,

in the meantime, what about releasing a sneak peak or a beta version :D....would make my weekend sooo much better (weather is awful here so lot of time for gaming while GF Unit Mk I is busy with dinner :D :D :D)


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RE: Alternate WNT Scenarios - 9/11/2009 5:46:13 PM   
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how about that coral sea and guadalcanal full campaign.
Any progress
Release ?

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RE: Alternate WNT Scenarios - 9/11/2009 6:03:07 PM   
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Ditto looking forward to the mod coming out..after an enforced absence from AE due to CTD issues but now fixed with the patch coming out

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RE: Alternate WNT Scenarios - 9/11/2009 10:25:06 PM   
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Remember that starting US fleet units on the EAST COAST is now an option.

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RE: Alternate WNT Scenarios - 9/11/2009 10:57:38 PM   
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I know, and I intended to have several US and British ships start at either the East Coast or UK respectively. This means you can choose which area to bring those assets into the theatre from.

I've finished work on migrating the naval changes over, so scenario 40 is ready to go. Working on the full changes for 41 now. When those are done I'll migrate them to the Coral Sea and Guadalcanal scenarios, and release 40, 41, 48, 49. I'll release the BB Variant as soon as I'm done with it.

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RE: Alternate WNT Scenarios - 9/12/2009 10:26:03 AM   
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now 1 ?
even with thoose massive reinforcements .
Do you still have to put some serious distanse from thoose
Japs carriers?

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RE: Alternate WNT Scenarios - 9/12/2009 10:56:52 AM   
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What?

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RE: Alternate WNT Scenarios - 9/13/2009 9:02:04 AM   
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in english :
even would the US have 30 BB .
They still wouldn't make a chance against an expianced Jap Admiral commanding KB 1
I know my english is not OK but when you can wright dutch and german like this we are even LOL

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RE: Alternate WNT Scenarios - 9/13/2009 2:25:41 PM   
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Well, the initial balance of power is still in Japans favour, especially regarding the surface forces. The carrier forces are more even, but the US needs to gather and consolidate its carrier forces first before it can really face Japan.

Initial setup - forces in the pacific only,

IJN;
4 Kongo class
2 Fuso class
2 Ise class
2 Nagato class
2 Tosa class
1 Harima class
2 Sagami class
2 Echizen class
2 Yamato class
(4 BC, 9 BB, 2 Modern BB, 4 Super BB)

2 Amagi
2 Taiho
2 Hiryu
(6 CV)
-2 More CV due in the first half of 42

USN;
2 Nevada
2 Pennsylvania
3 New Mexico
2 Tennessee
4 Colorado
2 Lexington
2 North Carolina
1 South Dakota
(2 BC, 13 BB, 3 Modern BB)
-3 South Dakota due in the first half of 42

2 Lexington (one damaged)
1 Wasp
2 Yorktown
(5 CV)
-1 Wasp transferring in the first half of 42
-1 Essex transferring in the first half of 42
-2 Essex launched in the first half of 42

I'd say the USN can probably take a good shot at engaging the KB in mid-late 42. Of course, this is likely to go either way, and its not until mid-late 43 that they can really crush it for certain.

Its going to take until mid 43 and the Montanas however, for the USN to get its qualitative advantage in surface forces back. By late 42, they'll have the numbers, and radar will probably help, but nothing to match the 4 super BBs on even terms.



PS; Finished converting everything for Scen 41 except the new Allied aircraft. Should be done with those today.

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RE: Alternate WNT Scenarios - 9/13/2009 2:57:37 PM   
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I agree..the IJN still has the advantage for a good while in the game allowing the IJN player to maybe go for longer range objectives and see if the Allied player is willing to fight to hold those bases he/she considers vital..etc Suva maybe even Bora Bora..

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RE: Alternate WNT Scenarios - 9/13/2009 7:16:32 PM   
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Imagin they would assault Pearl with ground troops ?

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RE: Alternate WNT Scenarios - 9/13/2009 8:31:06 PM   
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Hi Juan,

"PS; Finished converting everything for Scen 41 except the new Allied aircraft. Should be done with those today."

Is 41 the full mod or just the database changes? Hope it's the former... :D I know I know I'm too impatient and forgive me for that :D

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RE: Alternate WNT Scenarios - 9/13/2009 8:46:18 PM   
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41 is the stock AE scenario with all the DB changes. Its actually the most work, as I have most of the ship class files for the BB Variant done already.

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AltWNT v5 Out - 9/14/2009 2:11:32 AM   
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Version 5 is out.

This release includes Scenarios 40, 41, 48 and 49.

Scenario 42 will be released with Version 5b later this week.

Enjoy.

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Latest version - v5 - 15th September 2009

Scenario 40 - 'Lite' Grand Campaign Adaption;
http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/8/1/2529503/Scen40v5.rar

Scenario 41 - 'Full' Grand Campaign Adaption;
http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/8/1/2529503/Scen41v5.rar

Scenario 48 - Coral Sea Adaption;
http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/8/1/2529503/Scen48v5.rar

Scenario 49 - Guadalcanal Adaption;
http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/8/1/2529503/Scen49v5.rar

Aircraft Artwork - Required for 41/48/49;
http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/8/1/2529503/AltWNT_Air_v5.rar

Version 5 Complete Pack - Includes 40/41/48/49 + AirArt;
http://www.fileden.com/files/2009/8/1/2529503/AltWNT_Complete_v5.rar

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RE: AltWNT v5 Out - 9/14/2009 4:20:49 PM   
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There are a few minor errors in the databases for v5, so the next release including Scenario 42 will be v6.

These are mostly related to the ammo changes for BB/BC/CA's in Scenarios 48 and 49. Ships in these scenarios do not have the increased ammo values found in 40/41.


Something I neglected to mention in my last post;

Anyone who is playing this, please forward any 'interesting' or odd surface or air combat reports to me via PM or by email. I have done a lot of testing, but it cannot compare to the amount that gets done by players themselves.

So if you see something that makes you raise an eyebrow, let me know.

PS: Sorry for the triple post.

PPS: ~180mb worth of downloads in one day. Thanks guys!

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RE: AltWNT v5 Out - 9/14/2009 7:16:53 PM   
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Is here a version with the big map starting in 42 or 43 ?
If no are you working at something like that ?

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RE: AltWNT v5 Out - 9/14/2009 11:04:12 PM   
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If the AE Team ever releases a 1942/3 scenario, I'll happily convert it to either Scenario 40 or 41 standard. However, I've heard that this is unlikely.

I have no plans to do a 1942 scenario of my own, atleast not until I've released BB, CV and Balanced Variants of AltWNT, in both standard and enhanced flavours.

Even then its a massive undertaking - I've come to respect that just having done Naval OOBs for the AltWNT scenarios, and its no doubt easier to do when you're the guy coming up with the history, not trying to dig it out of a plethora of reference materials, some of which are no doubt extremely obscure and hard to come by.

One idea I've had is to do a complete AltWNT guadalcanal campaign using full mod OOBs and so forth. Or a Philippines campaign in the same style.

Chances are that at that point in time I'll be really busy making sure everything stays up to date and correcting for patch changes that all my 'hobby time' will go to this...so I wont have enough time to undertake the effort to create a 1942 scenario to satisfaction.

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