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The fear of the water being cold. - 7/8/2009 10:42:29 AM   
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WITP is not every bodies wargame because being a "monster" game, it requires more time to play and complete than, say, a beer and pretzels game, or something like chess.
Professional and amateur historians and military-types are drawn to this game like flies, folks who keep their reference books nearby and the habit of eating their meals near the 'puter on days off.

I am sure all of the AE gang has had the feeling that once the game is out, these same folks will be pouring over the product, seeking to find fault with anything and everything, (especially OOB or weapon technology related), and much of this criticism will be based on info provided by a single source, (at best), or maybe even just long-ingrained opinions of the would-be professional.

For those critics, I make this personal request:

The game has an editor. Feel free to change anything changeable that you might feel needing change, and please give consideration to the AE team for bothering to get this "monster" together for us, before publically making your initial feelings known.
Check and re-check your "findings" before crying foul.

< Message edited by m10bob -- 7/8/2009 10:43:40 AM >


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RE: The fear of the water being cold. - 7/8/2009 10:55:26 AM   
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Mmmm beer and pringles would be much better lol... With a subject as enormous as the Pacific War of course there will be things, especially OOB related, that might not be correct...although not due to the extensive and exhaustive effort put in by all those involved in the WitP:AE process. I would agree whole-heartedly with M10Bob..even with a game the size of AE not everything can be included especially some of the one of or small scale equipment used during the conflict..

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RE: The fear of the water being cold. - 7/8/2009 12:25:22 PM   
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Having played WitP for a few years with all the original bugs, because the CD that I had bought in NZ was almost certainly a pirated copy, and would not take the patch upgrades. Being a war-gamer of this theater for many years, I still found the original form of WitP the best by far simulation of operational warfare. So to me even if WitP,AE smells as bad as ten day old road-kill I will be a happy man.

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RE: The fear of the water being cold. - 7/8/2009 12:39:32 PM   
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I remember the term from a few decades ago, "a complaining sailor is a happy sailor."

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RE: The fear of the water being cold. - 7/8/2009 6:54:56 PM   
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The nice thing about the editor is not only can players fix errors in the database, they can explore completely implausible scenarios such as 'No Treaties' or 'ability to complete the building plans' mods. The editor gives us the ability to simulate what might have happened if Japan had built its 'Super Yamato' or the all the planned but cancelled Taiho's had been built. The editor gives us the ability to set up a surface duel between Super Yamato and Montana, and just let the two slug it out.

With the editor, the possibilities are endless.

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RE: The fear of the water being cold. - 7/8/2009 7:24:58 PM   
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With the editor, the possibilities are endless.


I can't wait to create a HQ in Anchorage with Gen. Palin commanding. I will then have knowledge of all Soviet force dispositions. Heck, I might even be able to see all forces in Japan...

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RE: The fear of the water being cold. - 7/8/2009 7:28:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kwik E Mart


quote:

ORIGINAL: Shark7

With the editor, the possibilities are endless.


I can't wait to create a HQ in Anchorage with Gen. Palin commanding. I will then have knowledge of all Soviet force dispositions. Heck, I might even be able to see all forces in Japan...


You'll be able to see Russia from your house.

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RE: The fear of the water being cold. - 7/8/2009 9:17:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Shark7


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kwik E Mart


quote:

ORIGINAL: Shark7

With the editor, the possibilities are endless.


I can't wait to create a HQ in Anchorage with Gen. Palin commanding. I will then have knowledge of all Soviet force dispositions. Heck, I might even be able to see all forces in Japan...


You'll be able to see Russia from your house.





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ORIGINAL: SuluSea

I remember the term from a few decades ago, "a complaining sailor is a happy sailor."


hear hear

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RE: The fear of the water being cold. - 7/8/2009 10:04:44 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: m10bob

WITP is not every bodies wargame because being a "monster" game, it requires more time to play and complete than, say, a beer and pretzels game, or something like chess.

[snip]

The game has an editor. Feel free to change anything changeable that you might feel needing change


This reminds me of a very funny post I recently read on the "war-historical" newsgroup:

House-Hunter Giftzwerg: "That house is just too frakking huge for my
family."

Real Estate Agent Erik: "It comes with a hammer and saw so you can make
it smaller after you buy it."

I'll leave to the forum to guess between who the exchange was, or about what

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RE: The fear of the water being cold. - 7/8/2009 10:13:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SuluSea

I remember the term from a few decades ago, "a complaining sailor is a happy sailor."


Only the term wasn't "complaining."

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RE: The fear of the water being cold. - 7/9/2009 7:19:04 AM   
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okay Rev... ."griping"                    

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RE: The fear of the water being cold. - 7/9/2009 4:24:14 PM   
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Try "bitching"
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ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

okay Rev... ."griping"                    



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RE: The fear of the water being cold. - 7/9/2009 4:55:14 PM   
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This is a family forum.

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RE: The fear of the water being cold. - 7/10/2009 12:51:43 AM   
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Well, depending on the family, that word could be a "family" word...



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RE: The fear of the water being cold. - 7/10/2009 2:08:32 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kwik E Mart


quote:

ORIGINAL: Shark7

With the editor, the possibilities are endless.


I can't wait to create a HQ in Anchorage with Gen. Palin commanding. I will then have knowledge of all Soviet force dispositions. Heck, I might even be able to see all forces in Japan...



Alright Letterman just STFU already will you.....

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RE: The fear of the water being cold. - 7/10/2009 3:09:50 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: m10bob

WITP is not every bodies wargame because being a "monster" game, it requires more time to play and complete than, say, a beer and pretzels game, or something like chess.
Professional and amateur historians and military-types are drawn to this game like flies, folks who keep their reference books nearby and the habit of eating their meals near the 'puter on days off.

I am sure all of the AE gang has had the feeling that once the game is out, these same folks will be pouring over the product, seeking to find fault with anything and everything, (especially OOB or weapon technology related), and much of this criticism will be based on info provided by a single source, (at best), or maybe even just long-ingrained opinions of the would-be professional.

For those critics, I make this personal request:

The game has an editor. Feel free to change anything changeable that you might feel needing change, and please give consideration to the AE team for bothering to get this "monster" together for us, before publically making your initial feelings known.
Check and re-check your "findings" before crying foul.

Having been on the development side of a few games, you won't hear such comments from me. I appreciate all the hard work that goes into a game, especially this one, and will only voice comments about real programming bugs. Small database erros always creep in, and there are just a lot of differing opinions about whether aircraft A can climb better than aircraft B when carrying a 500 lb bomb. That stuff should always be forgiven.

But, that said, if the errors are so egregious as to make the game completely ahistorical, ....

AE will be a great game. Bring it on!

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RE: The fear of the water being cold. - 7/10/2009 6:32:47 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mbatch729

Well, depending on the family, that word could be a "family" word...




Those are families where no one is acquainted with the flavor of Lifebuoy or Palmolive...

I sure didn't grow up in one of those!

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RE: The fear of the water being cold. - 7/10/2009 6:57:50 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

Those are families where no one is acquainted with the flavor of Lifebuoy or Palmolive...

I sure didn't grow up in one of those!


Must get a bit smelly.

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