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RE: PBEM 109 - 11/25/2010 4:14:38 AM   
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It seems like we just had the shortest war on record. Prussia and Russia ganging up on Austria-lol. It lasted 3 months. Hopefully Russia can come to terms with Austria soon to save Europe from the continuation of an unnecessary war.

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RE: PBEM 109 - 11/25/2010 5:04:51 AM   
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Please indulge me in pointing out to Turkey's current "allies" that, apparently from the Sultan's perspective, being "allied" by treaty with Turkey and France, and helping to defeat Austria did not constitute a "real alliance" (let us not forget that it was Russian troops who finally were able to occupy Vienna, not Turks . . .).


IIRC it was a one year agreement to dow mutual enemies and to refuse trade for two years with Austria. The proposal came from Russia. The Franco/British/G.B Alliance is an open ended alliance which will last forever unless someone wishes to pay the price for breaking it. Austria has likewise joined in a similar agreement with the O.E. Russia has consistently refused to join in such an agreement. Even so, the O.E. has gone to great expense and effort to help Russia build up its empire.

The performance of the Russian Army in the last Austro/Ottoman War was less than stellar. That is another whole issue that is best left forgotten. The Ottoman Army lost nearly 1/2 million men. The circumstances of many of those losses were tied to the Russian Army's performance-or lack thereof. The war would have been won by France and the O.E. eventually-and possibly with much lower losses without Russian intervention.
As I recall, it was requested for a depot sharing treaty-Russia countered with the one year treaty. Russia wanted in the war when it was looking like an easy win.


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However, subsequent favoring of Austria over Russia by suggesting that Russia curtail her surrender terms and join an Ottoman-Austrian alliance _would_ have constituted a "real alliance" in the Sultan's mind.


No it wouldn't. All it would have done was to help Russia avoid an embarrassing defeat. The approach to Austria was a costly endeavor by the Ottoman Empire. The reason that it was undertaken was to assist Russia in its very ill timed and executed attack on Prussia. The way Prussia was slaughtering the Russian Army I did not think it prudent to take the time to march half way through Europe to help you. The O.E. needed a direct approach. To gain such an avenue to attack Prussia (of which the O.E. had no qualms other than it was an enemy of my allies-saying this even though our treaty had expired) it was necessary to give up a hard won province and make a substantial payment to Austria. This was all done to help Russia. Do you think Prussia would have surrendered to Russia had the Ottoman Armies not shown up on its southern border?

Further; demands of tribute for 3 full years is outlandish-by any standard that I am aware of-except that of some drunken Cossack brigands. Russia owes its empire status and victories in (edit) three wars to Ottoman assistance. Russia was rapidly advancing in the world. Now, it is approaching its old position of wallowing in squaller and knee deep in unwanted wool.

Russia would have profited immensely by accepting the proposed idea of payments to Russia by France and the O.E. if Russia would make like payments back to Austria-You refused. Russia could also have sought a cease fire which would have ended the war with Austria after it had begun-you refused. Instead the Czar apparently conspired with Prussia to attack Austria-no doubt as a preliminary move to invading the O.E. --and it has actually declared war on the O.E. Russia has bit the hand that fed it-it will now starve until it see's the error of its ways.


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Turkish loyalty and graciousness to those who have helped them to rise to the top of the food chain is spectacular to behold, no?


My actual true allies have no complaints that I am aware of. At least none of them have issued a declaration of war against the Ottoman Empire- Russia has.

The Sultan has grown weary of this unrelenting insolence. The Czar has 3 months to make peace with Austria-that is, by March of 1810. Russia's transgressions will be overlooked if peace is had before that time. Otherwise....


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RE: PBEM 109 - 11/25/2010 12:51:06 PM   
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Well it sounds like you guys are happy to let the Turkman win the game, so it is perhaps best if Russia just surrender and let the big boys finish up.

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RE: PBEM 109 - 11/25/2010 1:15:11 PM   
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RE: PBEM 109 - 11/25/2010 6:22:01 PM   
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Well it sounds like you guys are happy to let the Turkman win the game, so it is perhaps best if Russia just surrender and let the big boys finish up.


Do not worry-there are plenty of schemes to bring down the O.E. You can join another one soon.

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RE: PBEM 109 - 11/25/2010 8:14:15 PM   
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The mighty Teutonic warriors march to war, all opponents trembling in their way.

But ooohhh look - some daisies!

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RE: PBEM 109 - 11/25/2010 8:24:21 PM   
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The mighty Teutonic warriors march to war, all opponents trembling in their way.

But ooohhh look - some daisies!


You have to take some time to smell the flowers-the Sultan has a nice rose garden just outside the Palace.

Of course, it is not prudent to admire the foliage in the midst of battle.

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RE: PBEM 109 - 11/25/2010 11:01:14 PM   
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Good thing we were fighting outside the Sultan's palace then, I'd never have got the soldiers to form ranks. Although thinking on this, maybe we make the palace gardens the objective and then allow them time to make daisy chains once they get there.

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RE: PBEM 109 - 11/26/2010 4:10:02 AM   
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All nations T210 were forwarded-about 6 hours ago.

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RE: PBEM 109 - 11/26/2010 1:54:01 PM   
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RE: PBEM 109 - 11/27/2010 8:51:04 PM   
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RE: PBEM 109 - 11/28/2010 9:06:24 AM   
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RE: PBEM 109 - 11/28/2010 7:20:28 PM   
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Strange, I can't seem to move the Prussian 'navy' now that Pommerania is British??

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RE: PBEM 109 - 11/29/2010 5:00:12 AM   
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Strange, I can't seem to move the Prussian 'navy' now that Pommerania is British??



They must have Venetian Skippers

As you still have Koenigsberg it seems you should still have control.

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RE: PBEM 109 - 11/30/2010 12:38:40 PM   
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RE: PBEM 109 - 11/30/2010 7:47:49 PM   
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Hey dudes, been sick and didn't even check my email yesterday. Will try to get my turn done tonight.

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RE: PBEM 109 - 12/1/2010 2:11:29 AM   
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Venetian skippers ousted! The inglorious bathtub brigage sets sail into the Baltic!!

No idea why I can move now when I couldn't last turn....

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RE: PBEM 109 - 12/1/2010 2:41:55 AM   
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RE: PBEM 109 - 12/1/2010 10:15:24 PM   
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RE: PBEM 109 - 12/2/2010 6:56:57 PM   
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RE: PBEM 109 - 12/3/2010 12:55:40 PM   
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RE: PBEM 109 - 12/4/2010 6:10:29 PM   
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RE: PBEM 109 - 12/5/2010 5:42:31 PM   
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RE: PBEM 109 - 12/6/2010 8:05:27 AM   
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RE: PBEM 109 - 12/8/2010 5:51:01 AM   
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RE: PBEM 109 - 12/10/2010 5:02:00 AM   
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RE: PBEM 109 - 12/12/2010 6:55:54 AM   
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RE: PBEM 109 - 12/12/2010 9:23:07 PM   
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Oh man . . .

Is that the best that all three of you "Great Powers" combined can manage!? Hahahaha! You are SO screwed now

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RE: PBEM 109 - 12/14/2010 12:40:02 AM   
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RE: PBEM 109 - 12/14/2010 12:43:50 AM   
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Oh man . . .
Is that the best that all three of you "Great Powers" combined can manage!? Hahahaha! You are SO screwed now


I thought it best to let the Czar have some more time to think about making a reasonable peace. Perhaps after a few months of shivering in your thatch hut something will come to mind. If not, oh well. There will be time for battle next year.


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