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Mo' Tapas - 5/9/2009 4:35:08 PM   
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I see we got some Canadians in the house, eh? So, how about some Canadian ships, eh? These are my all time favorites for the "Most Converted" and "You Would Never Guess What They Started As" trophys. The Prince Class Armed Merchant Cruisers, HMCS Prince Robert, Prince Henry and Prince David.

All three started life as passenger liners. Two were returned to service as passenger liners. Prince David got whacked by a mine in the Med, so didn’t make it to the Pac, but the other two got lots of face-lifts (depending on which one it was) from AMC to LSI (landing ship infantry) to CLAA. Woof, eh !!





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RE: Mo' Tapas - 5/9/2009 5:21:51 PM   
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Nice, I have been reading up on these ships as I did not know about them until recently. Pretty intersting history.



Best pic I have found so far.

Wikpedia entry

Any chance the Ontario and Quebec have been posted anywhere? ;-)

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RE: Mo' Tapas - 5/9/2009 5:38:51 PM   
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Hay, we gotta get our $$$'s worth -eh!

Nice art, I think the top one matches this 1940 pic.

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RE: Mo' Tapas - 5/9/2009 6:08:56 PM   
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Talking about converted liners/transports to LSI's and such did anyone found if Prins Albert range was extended for military operations? I have only 2800nm with 129t fuel which seems a bit strange.

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RE: Mo' Tapas - 5/9/2009 6:12:45 PM   
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Well, we're not all hosers down here, eh. Think aboot 7 or 8 of us know the words to Oh Canada even, eh.

Oh, yeah, the Princes were way cool. Largest ships in the RCN for quite a while, iirc. But Ontario & Quebec are in the box too. We thought, hey, do it just. So ...




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RE: Mo' Tapas - 5/9/2009 7:35:28 PM   
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And then there was the RIN. How about the HMIS Parramatta.




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RE: Mo' Tapas - 5/9/2009 9:22:24 PM   
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Nice, that will help WITM40 if AE will be editable enough to change the map

The Prins Albert i refered was a Belgian ship converted to LSI in British service that was employed in Med and later in Burma.

Hmm now i will nitpick, Parramatta in my data for her enter in Med had a dual 4.5" in front and a quadruple 0.5 AA in B position.

Are you sure its RIN? i have a Parramatta in RAN.

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RE: Mo' Tapas - 5/9/2009 9:35:23 PM   
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Two Parramattas...

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RE: Mo' Tapas - 5/9/2009 9:38:21 PM   
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okay didn't know that.

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RE: Mo' Tapas - 5/9/2009 9:40:38 PM   
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HMAS Parramatta was a Grimsby class sloop, sunk by a U-Boat on November 27th, 1941.

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RE: Mo' Tapas - 5/9/2009 9:49:53 PM   
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Yes in Med, i didn't looked at sunk date. I am always forgetting that War in Pacific started almost 1 year and half after War in Mediterranean and even more after Invasion of Poland. So Australian Parramatta was sunk in Med shortly before War started in Pacific. My Mistake.

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RE: Mo' Tapas - 5/9/2009 11:17:31 PM   
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HMCS Quebec = HMCS Uganda

The Uganda was renamed the Quebec when reactivated for the Korean war.

I like the Princes though, The Canadian content is appreciated!

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RE: Mo' Tapas - 5/10/2009 1:30:32 AM   
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Thanks for posting the ships, very excited for the new game!

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RE: Mo' Tapas - 5/10/2009 4:08:51 PM   
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Woops, that’s what I get for rushing. Parramatta is what we call the Grimsby class that were built by Cockatoo – Parramatta, Swan, Warrego, Yarra. There was also a Tyne-built Grimsby for the RIN, the Indus. Very similar to, and thus part of, Parramatta class. Got rushed and called the “ship” by the “class” name. It’s the Indus.

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RE: Mo' Tapas - 5/10/2009 5:01:06 PM   
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Here’s some more Canadian content. There’s a couple different Flower versions, Brit built and Canadian built. Most of the Canadian were built in Quebec and Ontario, but quite a few were laid down at Victoria, Vancouver, and Esquimalt. Both versions showed up in Pac, at one time or t’other.




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RE: Mo' Tapas - 5/10/2009 6:46:01 PM   
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And some more Canadian content: Canadian version of the Bangor class minesweeper, built Vancouver/Prince Rupert, as well as Ontario and Quebec;

and the Park/Fort version of the Liberty design. The prettiest of the Libertys (heck, the only one that WAS pretty), they had the same hull design and engines, but with Scotch boilers so they could burn oil, coal or composite, with just a bit of tinkering. Framed as a scantling deck, with the frames a bit farther apart (as in the Victory designs), they were better suited to heavy weather, and didn’t show the stiffness cracks that plagued the typical Libertys. If only they weren’t so damn slow. But there’s a bunch of them still soldiering on in many parts of the world; a real tribute to Canadian shipbuilders, eh?





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RE: Mo' Tapas - 5/11/2009 12:30:06 AM   
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Thanks again, love the Flower boats, were the work horses in the Atlantic for sure.

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RE: Mo' Tapas - 5/11/2009 1:33:51 AM   
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hey OT i know but im in Quebec city staring out at the two rivers over the chateau frontenac

1. is the navy museam in quebec worth a look
2. any other navy/ military history sites close by ?

im here for 10 days so plllleeentty of time

see, if i had AE id be able to play that !! ;-P



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RE: Mo' Tapas - 5/11/2009 2:45:26 AM   
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Here is a good site: http://www.quebecregion.com/e/

I have not been there since I was a kid, as I recall the Fort and the Fort museum was pretty cool. I checked on the Naval museum but it says the Museum will re-open in 2010 for the
Canadian Navy Centennial, so I guess it is closed right now. You might get lucky and have a Navy ship ir two dock for liberty while you are there. The port authority should be able tell you if any are due and what ships they are.

I wish I could be of more help, planning to head down that way myself in late June, early July.

Big military site aside from the fort is the Plains of Abraham where the English defeated the French and kicked them out of North America for good.

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RE: Mo' Tapas - 5/11/2009 3:34:26 AM   
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quote:

Woops, that’s what I get for rushing. Parramatta is what we call the Grimsby class that were built by Cockatoo – Parramatta, Swan,
Warrego, Yarra. There was also a Tyne-built Grimsby for the RIN, the Indus. Very similar to, and thus part of, Parramatta class. Got rushed and called the “ship” by the “class” name. It’s the Indus.


Thanks. Parramata differed from Yarra. Yarra had the guns like you show in your drawing. Parramatta had a 4x0.5" in B turret place.

Parramatta




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RE: Mo' Tapas - 5/11/2009 4:35:19 AM   
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You need to check out the Fort, the musium there is fairly small but interesting. Still an active barracks. And a cdnice says, the Plains of Abraham. I can't recal anything else military there...

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