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Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments - 4/27/2009 9:39:33 PM   
Don Bowen


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Does anyone have good data on the OOB of these units? I am particularly interested in the allotment of LCVP and LCM(3) to each Boat Battalion and the combat potential of each Shore Battalion. Also the "longshoreman" strength.


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RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments - 4/28/2009 12:33:25 AM   
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RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments - 4/28/2009 1:32:13 AM   
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Will longshoreman be able to go on strike in AE?

Only in Oz....

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RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments - 4/28/2009 2:06:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		You can probably find what you want here:
http://140.194.76.129/publications/eng-pamphlets/
Quite a bit of info there, if not poorly organized.

*** TRY THIS ONE ***
http://140.194.76.129/publications/eng-pamphlets/ep870-1-42/toc.htm
http://140.194.76.129/publications/eng-pamphlets/ep870-1-42/c-6-1.pdf

This book is available for about $75 - $100.
“Amphibian Engineer Operations”
“Engineers of the South Pacific 1941-45, Volume IV”
published by the Office of the Chief Engineer, US Army Corps, 1959.

A library that has it:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.cat-vn1635517

Might find something useful here:
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/history/marshall/military/wwii/
or Neihorster's site:
http://niehorster.orbat.com/013_usa/__usa.htm
But probably that first link with all the pamphlets eventually yield an TOE.
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RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments - 4/28/2009 2:34:44 AM   
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Thanks, I've been through most of these without much luck. Lots of general statements but not the details I'm looking for.

Will keep looking...

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RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments - 4/28/2009 2:58:42 AM   
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Go to their website, general OOB listed.  For the details, many POC's listed for their upcoming reunion, who will likely be overjoyed to give them to you...

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RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments - 4/28/2009 3:28:43 AM   
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Thanks. Been all over that site too. The suggestion to contact them for possible help is a good one - I'll do that.

Most of the official publications speak in generalities, while most of the personal memoirs do not give any unit details. Until Jack Hays gets to Volume 10, it's a real bitch getting TOEs for engineering units. Even the quarter-a-page copy sites do not have the ESP units.


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RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments - 4/28/2009 4:32:16 AM   
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Have you looked in the Australian Histories?

Either the periods covering the Lae landings or the Borneo landings

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RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments - 4/28/2009 4:44:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		I tried to find an OOB and for the Engineer Special Brigades "Each brigade was equipped to transport and land a division. This required a force of 7340 men, 540 LCMs and LCVPs, and 104 command and support boats"
then this might help:
http://www.military-info.com/aphoto/FM101_10_43.htm
War Department."Engineer Amphibian Units,"FM 101-10  Staff Officers' Field Manual. Organization, Technical and Logistical Data (10 October 1943), Chapter 1, Section X; 8 pages, tables  Price 1.00 {Item No.22080} [Including: Engineer Special Brigade: Diagram, Table of Organization No.5-510S (21 April 1943). Engineer Boat and Shore Regiment Engineer Special Brigade: Table of Organization No.5-511S (21 April 1943)]
or http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USMC/ref/Amphibious/Amphibious-1.html#page29 

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RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments - 4/28/2009 4:44:47 AM   
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RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments - 4/28/2009 4:46:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I tried to find an OOB and for the Engineer Special Brigades "Each brigade was equipped to transport and land a division. This required a force of 7340 men, 540 LCMs and LCVPs, and 104 command and support boats"
then this might help:
http://www.military-info.com/aphoto/FM101_10_43.htm
War Department."Engineer Amphibian Units,"FM 101-10  Staff Officers' Field Manual. Organization, Technical and Logistical Data (10 October 1943), Chapter 1, Section X; 8 pages, tables  Price 1.00 {Item No.22080} [Including: Engineer Special Brigade: Diagram, Table of Organization No.5-510S (21 April 1943). Engineer Boat and Shore Regiment Engineer Special Brigade: Table of Organization No.5-511S (21 April 1943)]

It appears that you can order just the section you need for a Buck - one US dollar....

or http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USMC/ref/Amphibious/Amphibious-1.html#page29 


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RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments - 4/28/2009 4:56:51 AM   
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I am not sure this has the detail you are looking for but bits and pieces about some of the units.

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RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments - 4/28/2009 6:06:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hornblower

I tried to find an OOB and for the Engineer Special Brigades "Each brigade was equipped to transport and land a division. This required a force of 7340 men, 540 LCMs and LCVPs, and 104 command and support boats"
then this might help:
http://www.military-info.com/aphoto/FM101_10_43.htm
War Department."Engineer Amphibian Units,"FM 101-10  Staff Officers' Field Manual. Organization, Technical and Logistical Data (10 October 1943), Chapter 1, Section X; 8 pages, tables  Price 1.00 {Item No.22080} [Including: Engineer Special Brigade: Diagram, Table of Organization No.5-510S (21 April 1943). Engineer Boat and Shore Regiment Engineer Special Brigade: Table of Organization No.5-511S (21 April 1943)]
or http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USMC/ref/Amphibious/Amphibious-1.html#page29 


This one looks good, although the mail-only ordering and high shipping costs are underwonderful.

Thanks

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RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments - 4/28/2009 6:35:08 AM   
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RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments - 4/28/2009 9:33:17 AM   
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The "Amphibs", as they were known, were specially selected from
men with maritime or other relevant experience . Eventually three brigades
of "Amphibs", the 2nd, 3rd and 4th Engineer Special Brigades, served
in the Pacific . The establishment of a brigade was 360 officers, 7,000 men
and 550 landing craft ; each brigade included three Boat and Shore Regiments

Can this book be found?
History of the Second Engineer Special Brigade,
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http://www.2esb.org/04_History/Book/Chapter_01.htm

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RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments - 4/28/2009 12:38:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Knavey

Will longshoreman be able to go on strike in AE?

Only in Oz....


I thought that happened in New Zealand?

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RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments - 4/28/2009 12:48:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Knavey

Will longshoreman be able to go on strike in AE?

Only in Oz....


I thought that happened in New Zealand?

i thought it was in OZ, but can't find a reference right now.

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RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments - 4/28/2009 1:19:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		There were also a lot of problems in Noumea as well, but i think that was just because the situation was fouled up beyond recognition rather than a labor strike... i think the dockworkers wouldn't work overtime, though. The US ended up using Marines, and many of the supplies were ruined due to rain, lack of warehouses, etc.

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RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments - 4/28/2009 2:18:31 PM   
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Not a lot of detail

The "Amphibs", as they were known, were specially selected from
men with maritime or other relevant experience . Eventually three brigades
of "Amphibs", the 2nd, 3rd and 4th Engineer Special Brigades, served
in the Pacific . The establishment of a brigade was 360 officers, 7,000 men
and 550 landing craft ; each brigade included three Boat and Shore Regiments

Can this book be found?
History of the Second Engineer Special Brigade,
.
http://www.2esb.org/04_History/Book/Chapter_01.htm


Excellent link. Again no TOE, but a very interesting read.

Thanks to you and to everyone that replied.



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RE: Engineering Boat and Shore Regiments - 4/28/2009 9:52:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve


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ORIGINAL: rtrapasso


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Will longshoreman be able to go on strike in AE?

Only in Oz....


I thought that happened in New Zealand?

i thought it was in OZ, but can't find a reference right now.


I think it happened just about everywhere, except maybe Germany & Russia.

Comes along with being a Democracy.

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