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RE: Brave WIF boardgamers - 4/20/2009 3:59:07 PM   
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I played with a friend. Our agreement was that we would play two games, swapping Axis for Allies and compare the scores to determine the winner.

This was necessary as we were constantly realizing that we had misinterpreted the rules so we played the 2nd game in the set with the same misinterpretations.



The first campaign we play it was quite a mess we were lost with the rules too.

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Before my wife and I got married, I got her to agree that (1) I was a gamer, (2) she wouldn't try to change that, and (3) the dining room table in our apartment was mine when I wanted it.

She is a good wife. Now if she would only play WiF.

Haven't played in about 10 years or so... my buddy got married and he was happier spending time with her than studying cardboard ....



Same for me, and I must remind her regularly she already knew I was a gamer. Now why she does not wants to play with me?


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RE: Brave WIF boardgamers - 4/20/2009 5:35:32 PM   
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When playing with a bunch of different colored ten-sided dice it became evident that certain ones seemed to roll more high than low or vice versa. One particular purple die rolled so many 10s so often, we finally outlawed it from the game. Rather than having someone searching for a particular die we now use a program on a laptop to produce all the dice rolls. It automatically tracks the stats and records each player's "luck" factor for the session and the game.

So now the age-old arguments about who was luckier can actually be supported with hard data!




Is this a die roll program you have to be connected to the internet to use, or is it something I can download on to my laptop? Our host does not have a wifi router. Where can I get it?
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RE: Brave WIF boardgamers - 4/20/2009 5:45:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: paulderynck
When playing with a bunch of different colored ten-sided dice it became evident that certain ones seemed to roll more high than low or vice versa. One particular purple die rolled so many 10s so often, we finally outlawed it from the game. Rather than having someone searching for a particular die we now use a program on a laptop to produce all the dice rolls. It automatically tracks the stats and records each player's "luck" factor for the session and the game.

So now the age-old arguments about who was luckier can actually be supported with hard data!


I see our group is not alone in wishing for such a tool. We are now all eagerly awaiting your response.

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RE: Brave WIF boardgamers - 4/20/2009 9:15:38 PM   
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Don't forget that such programs usually don't do REAL random numbers ! So a dice is more trustable !

Well u can find on google real randoms number program/pages, based on atmospheric noise...



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RE: Brave WIF boardgamers - 4/20/2009 10:07:36 PM   
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After completing 3 Global Campaigns as Italy I can truly boast of never cowering before the enemy or a hostile die. Two victories with one loss (I entered that campaign in may/june 43 so its only a half-loss ) is not a bad record and the sparkly yellow "Italian Dice" I rolled served me well. However, some of my opponents use this mans strategy when confronted by an unfriendly die roll. They know who they are;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud7YNNA0Mwo





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RE: Brave WIF boardgamers - 4/20/2009 10:20:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SLAAKMAN

After completing 3 Global Campaigns as Italy I can truly boast of never cowering before the enemy or a hostile die. Two victories with one loss (I entered that campaign in may/june 43 so its only a half-loss ) is not a bad record and the sparkly yellow "Italian Dice" I rolled served me well. However, some of my opponents use this mans strategy when confronted by an unfriendly die roll. They know who they are;



Well, it's easy not to cower before the enemy when you have rabbits do the fighting for you.

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RE: Brave WIF boardgamers - 4/20/2009 11:39:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: paulderynck
Rather than having someone searching for a particular die we now use a program on a laptop to produce all the dice rolls. It automatically tracks the stats and records each player's "luck" factor for the session and the game.

So now the age-old arguments about who was luckier can actually be supported with hard data!



Interesting. Is it possible to find this program on the Internet ?

And, about the hard data, does it support luck for a player ?

I developed it in Visual Basic and plan to release it at the end of July. ...just kidding. It does need some better documentation to be added but I could post it somewhere if people are interested. It supports 6 players and does provide some results - Ack Ack, Ground strikes, air-to-air combat (including next worst), strat and carpet bombing (including the plus 1 or not). Other results you have to take the die roll(s) and look up yourself.

It tracks each players "luck factor" for each individual die roll, for the playing session and for the entire game. For the luck, you establish what a "success" is and then roll the die. Luck is measured against the actual odds of success or failure and normalized to a number between -9.9 and +9.9 for each roll. it also tracks the total number of dice that rolled one through ten throughout the game.

Caveat: This is only a play aid for the board game. It has nothing to do with MWIF nor is it intended to. I'm only mentioning it since you asked.



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RE: Brave WIF boardgamers - 4/20/2009 11:40:44 PM   
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She is a good wife. Now if she would only play WiF.




Ummm....you might not want to change that. She PROBABLY plays other games your buddies don't play with you...........


Good Hunting.

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RE: Brave WIF boardgamers - 4/20/2009 11:49:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: chacal83

Don't forget that such programs usually don't do REAL random numbers ! So a dice is more trustable !

Well u can find on google real randoms number program/pages, based on atmospheric noise...



I wouldn't trust that purple die I mentioned - except for its picture when it comes up on my laptop. I have run the progam through a million iterations and gotten respectable means and standard deviations for the totals for each number.

All dice are imperfect. Really good ones without any bias are expensive. (But admittedly less than the cost of a laptop )



< Message edited by paulderynck -- 4/20/2009 11:50:18 PM >


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RE: Brave WIF boardgamers - 4/20/2009 11:53:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: paulderynck
I developed it in Visual Basic and plan to release it at the end of July. ...just kidding. It does need some better documentation to be added but I could post it somewhere if people are interested. It supports 6 players and does provide some results - Ack Ack, Ground strikes, air-to-air combat (including next worst), strat and carpet bombing (including the plus 1 or not). Other results you have to take the die roll(s) and look up yourself.

It tracks each players "luck factor" for each individual die roll, for the playing session and for the entire game. For the luck, you establish what a "success" is and then roll the die. Luck is measured against the actual odds of success or failure and normalized to a number between -9.9 and +9.9 for each roll. it also tracks the total number of dice that rolled one through ten throughout the game.

Caveat: This is only a play aid for the board game. It has nothing to do with MWIF nor is it intended to. I'm only mentioning it since you asked.



I'm interested if you post it somewhere, keep me informed.

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RE: Brave WIF boardgamers - 4/21/2009 12:38:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: paulderynck
It does need some better documentation to be added but I could post it somewhere if people are interested.



I'm interested too. Can you post it on this thread please?
Thanks,
C


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RE: Brave WIF boardgamers - 4/21/2009 1:17:02 AM   
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My I am so impressed how you people stay on track, I wanted to hear stories on how you board gamers survived and now we are back on the dice that wont matter a hill of beans when the computer takes over, why dont you start a post to do with die or two die so we can change it to Vegas dice and how well we played on the crap tables that would be interesting WHEW!

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RE: Brave WIF boardgamers - 4/21/2009 1:47:26 AM   
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My I am so impressed how you people stay on track, I wanted to hear stories on how you board gamers survived and now we are back on the dice that wont matter a hill of beans when the computer takes over, why dont you start a post to do with die or two die so we can change it to Vegas dice and how well we played on the crap tables that would be interesting WHEW!

Willy

Speaking of crap...

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RE: Brave WIF boardgamers - 4/21/2009 2:27:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: chacal83

Don't forget that such programs usually don't do REAL random numbers ! So a dice is more trustable !

Well u can find on google real randoms number program/pages, based on atmospheric noise...





Computers do better random numbers than some of the Dice I have played with

LOL


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