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Amphibious landings - 2/25/2009 2:14:49 PM   
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Question for the AE team if you have time. I was wondering now when making an opposed landing and using an amphibious landing task force, how much fatigue does the unit incur prior to the landing, and does this vary by how long they are on ship? With the new port and loading and unloading features, it seems that you will have to plan carefully and have different ports of debarkation, to arrive on D-Day at the right time. That being said, some troops will have to be loaded for longer periods of time, and travel farther than others. When the invasion takes place, I was wondering will the time spent being embarked factor in? and to what degree? What amount of time would you consider a norm for embarked troops?

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RE: Amphibious landings - 2/26/2009 2:49:53 PM   
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RE: Amphibious landings - 2/26/2009 3:46:35 PM   
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Sorry, no time for essay questions.

Time aboard ship raises fatigue of land units. Depends of type of ship (true transport or freighter with troops stuffed into holds), type of mission, operations mode of troops, and good old random.



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RE: Amphibious landings - 2/26/2009 5:12:06 PM   
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Sorry, no time for essay questions.

Time aboard ship raises fatigue of land units. Depends of type of ship (true transport or freighter with troops stuffed into holds), type of mission, operations mode of troops, and good old random.



What does that say about USMC battalion deployments?

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RE: Amphibious landings - 2/26/2009 5:30:56 PM   
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Sorry, no time for essay questions.

Time aboard ship raises fatigue of land units. Depends of type of ship (true transport or freighter with troops stuffed into holds), type of mission, operations mode of troops, and good old random.



What does that say about USMC battalion deployments?


I have absolutely no idea what this question means...

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RE: Amphibious landings - 2/26/2009 6:48:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


Sorry, no time for essay questions.

Time aboard ship raises fatigue of land units. Depends of type of ship (true transport or freighter with troops stuffed into holds), type of mission, operations mode of troops, and good old random.



What does that say about USMC battalion deployments?


I have absolutely no idea what this question means...



It was thought that you were a God and knew everything

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RE: Amphibious landings - 2/26/2009 6:53:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


Sorry, no time for essay questions.

Time aboard ship raises fatigue of land units. Depends of type of ship (true transport or freighter with troops stuffed into holds), type of mission, operations mode of troops, and good old random.



What does that say about USMC battalion deployments?


I have absolutely no idea what this question means...



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RE: Amphibious landings - 2/26/2009 6:56:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


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ORIGINAL: herwin


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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


Sorry, no time for essay questions.

Time aboard ship raises fatigue of land units. Depends of type of ship (true transport or freighter with troops stuffed into holds), type of mission, operations mode of troops, and good old random.



What does that say about USMC battalion deployments?


I have absolutely no idea what this question means...



USMC MAUs often deploy on board ship for extended periods. How do they avoid fatigue? How much time ashore makes up for a month at sea?

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RE: Amphibious landings - 2/26/2009 7:20:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: herwin


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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


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ORIGINAL: herwin


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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


Sorry, no time for essay questions.

Time aboard ship raises fatigue of land units. Depends of type of ship (true transport or freighter with troops stuffed into holds), type of mission, operations mode of troops, and good old random.



What does that say about USMC battalion deployments?


I have absolutely no idea what this question means...



USMC MAUs often deploy on board ship for extended periods. How do they avoid fatigue? How much time ashore makes up for a month at sea?


Now they do, but not in World War II. Troops aboard ships acquire fatigue. Rate is based on the ship capacity, troop status, duration, and random. If you put troops on a ship that has good facilities (i.e. troop space) and leave them there for reasonable periods, you will get low fatigue. If you cram them into cargo space and leave them there for a while, you will get high fatigue. If you put them in barges and try and make a multi-day run over open sea, you will get ungodly levels of fatigue - even actual destruction.

There's a table in the manual with basic values. These are subject to random to produce fatigue.



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RE: Amphibious landings - 2/26/2009 7:31:09 PM   
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The amphibious assault portions of the game have been extensively tested by members of 11 MEU and ACU 5 for over a year. Their thoughts and comments have been incorporated and the results are satisfactory.

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RE: Amphibious landings - 2/26/2009 7:33:54 PM   
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The amphibious assault portions of the game have been extensively tested by members of 11 MEU and ACU 5 for over a year. Their thoughts and comments have been incorporated and the results are satisfactory.




now if I could just figure out what 11 MEU and ACU 5 means...

google, google...

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RE: Amphibious landings - 2/26/2009 7:43:39 PM   
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now if I could just figure out what 11 MEU and ACU 5 means...

google, google...

11th Marine Expeditionary Unit - Camp Pendleton. Assault Craft Unit 5, San Diego (actually Oceanside) No Beach Out of Reach !!!

Ciao.

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RE: Amphibious landings - 2/26/2009 7:48:30 PM   
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MEU is Marine Expeditionary Unit.

ACU?

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RE: Amphibious landings - 2/26/2009 7:54:37 PM   
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now if I could just figure out what 11 MEU and ACU 5 means...

google, google...

11th Marine Expeditionary Unit - Camp Pendleton. Assault Craft Unit 5, San Diego (actually Oceanside) No Beach Out of Reach !!!

Ciao.



thx

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RE: Amphibious landings - 3/1/2009 4:33:16 PM   
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Great detail !. wonderful job !

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RE: Amphibious landings - 3/2/2009 12:46:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


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ORIGINAL: flipperwasirish


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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


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ORIGINAL: herwin


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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen


Sorry, no time for essay questions.

Time aboard ship raises fatigue of land units. Depends of type of ship (true transport or freighter with troops stuffed into holds), type of mission, operations mode of troops, and good old random.



What does that say about USMC battalion deployments?


I have absolutely no idea what this question means...



It was thought that you were a God and knew everything


You're thinking of my ex-wife.





Ok thats a good line.. I have so been there ...

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