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How much do you know? - 1/23/2009 10:34:13 PM   
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At the beginning of the war in the Pacific, US Heavy Cruiser Pensacola was escorting a mixed group of Army, Navy, and Civilian ships toward the Philippines. This convoy is usually known as the Pensacola Convoy.

What was it's historical designation?

Hint, it ends with a "2". For extra credit, what was the "...1".

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RE: How much do you know? - 1/23/2009 10:39:59 PM   
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RE: How much do you know? - 1/23/2009 10:40:19 PM   
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EDIT: Curse your inhumanly fast typing skills Terminus

EDIT 2: The only other convoy I can think of is the one that USS Louisville was with.

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RE: How much do you know? - 1/23/2009 10:43:58 PM   
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RE: How much do you know? - 1/24/2009 12:16:54 AM   
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And what was 4001????


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RE: How much do you know? - 1/24/2009 12:48:40 AM   
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RE: How much do you know? - 1/24/2009 12:52:04 AM   
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And what was 4001????



That is the year in which I will finsih a complete WitP game not inclucing when AE is released.

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RE: How much do you know? - 1/24/2009 1:20:07 AM   
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If 4002 was a convoy to the Philippines escorted by the Pensacola, 4001 was an earlier convoy to the Philippines escort by the ???



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RE: How much do you know? - 1/24/2009 1:21:34 AM   
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RE: How much do you know? - 1/24/2009 1:23:53 AM   
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If 4002 was a convoy to the Philippines escorted by the Pensacola, 4001 was an earlier convoy to the Philippines escort by the ???




BOISE!!!

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RE: How much do you know? - 1/24/2009 1:34:06 AM   
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If 4002 was a convoy to the Philippines escorted by the Pensacola, 4001 was an earlier convoy to the Philippines escort by the ???




BOISE!!!


Yahoo!

Boise departed Pearl Harbour November 18, 1941 escorting convoy 4001 to Manila (arrived December 4, 1941). Convoy consisted of USAT President Grant and freighters Amercian Leader, Cape Fairweather, John Lykes, and Dona Nati.

One of these freighters became well known for a subsequent event (and soon). What was it??






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RE: How much do you know? - 1/24/2009 1:55:43 AM   
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John Lykes.

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RE: How much do you know? - 1/24/2009 2:02:24 AM   
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If 4002 was a convoy to the Philippines escorted by the Pensacola, 4001 was an earlier convoy to the Philippines escort by the ???




BOISE!!!


Yahoo!

Boise departed Pearl Harbour November 18, 1941 escorting convoy 4001 to Manila (arrived December 4, 1941). Convoy consisted of USAT President Grant and freighters Amercian Leader, Cape Fairweather, John Lykes, and Dona Nati.

One of these freighters became well known for a subsequent event (and soon). What was it??







Well, the AMERICAN LEADER got sunk by a German raider...

EDIT: i don't think that this is a terribly notable event, though...


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RE: How much do you know? - 1/24/2009 2:08:25 AM   
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RE: How much do you know? - 1/24/2009 2:31:33 AM   
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Yet another hint (we are getting pretty esoteric here):

This freighter was loaded with supplies and sent back to the Philippines. Did it make it??


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RE: How much do you know? - 1/24/2009 2:52:56 AM   
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Yet another hint (we are getting pretty esoteric here):

This freighter was loaded with supplies and sent back to the Philippines. Did it make it??



Well, since i don't think any of these ships was sunk until a year later, i'll say SHE MADE IT!

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RE: How much do you know? - 1/24/2009 4:13:37 AM   
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Dona Nati delivered a cargo to Cebu on March 6, 1942 and successfully returned.

Her cargo:
600 tons of canned meat
600 tons of canned vegetables
200 tons of canned fruit
600 tons of flour
400 tons of rice
250 tons of bisquits
100 tons of coffee
50 tons of jam
25 tons of peanut butter
1,500,000 rounds of 30Cal
100,000 rounds of 50Cal
4000 81mm Mortar shells
5000 rifle grenades

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RE: How much do you know? - 1/24/2009 8:45:46 AM   
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RE: How much do you know? - 1/24/2009 2:11:48 PM   
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And people claim that single ship supply TFs is gamey... 

Numerous attempts at single ship supply runs were made... they had a high rate of getting sunk, though... people can say it is gamey, just as numerous other things that were done during the war are often claimed to be gamey.

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RE: How much do you know? - 1/24/2009 3:07:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not taking a position on whether single ship TFs are gamey or not, but whether it happened in the war is only one piece of the "is it gamey" question. The other is how does the game engine handle the activity, and does that produce realistic/historical results. A historical move might be considered gamey if the engine was incapable of producing reasonable results.

For example, if the engine has a bug where if you bomb at very high altitudes you get the accuracy of a very low altitude bombing, but still take flak as if you were high altitude (I seem to recall something like that early on), then it would be gamey to make very high altitude attacks. It may have happened in the war, but the limitations (or in this case bug) of the game engine make it a gamey technique nonetheless.


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RE: How much do you know? - 1/24/2009 3:35:47 PM   
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Not taking a position on whether single ship TFs are gamey or not, but whether it happened in the war is only one piece of the "is it gamey" question. The other is how does the game engine handle the activity, and does that produce realistic/historical results. A historical move might be considered gamey if the engine was incapable of producing reasonable results.

For example, if the engine has a bug where if you bomb at very high altitudes you get the accuracy of a very low altitude bombing, but still take flak as if you were high altitude (I seem to recall something like that early on), then it would be gamey to make very high altitude attacks. It may have happened in the war, but the limitations (or in this case bug) of the game engine make it a gamey technique nonetheless.



Yes, if there is a flaw in the game mechanics, taking advantage of it is gamey, however, in some cases the game mechanic "flaw" actually replicates real life difficulties that people are not aware of now (the "flak gap" comes to mind - it existed in reality according to some authors, but to what degree compared to the game is debatable.)

But back to the original question: i don't think the results of single ship "TFs" differed a lot from how the game handles it... if there is sufficient scouting and airpower around, a lot of them get sunk... the game does not replicate the effect of small islands on the difficulty of air power to find and attack ships/boats... many ships and boats used them to successfully evade air attacks in leaving the PI and also Singapore/Malaya. If anything, the game is much more harsh on the single ships in the later case (Singapore/Malaya) than in the game.

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How about another one? - 1/24/2009 5:11:15 PM   
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On December 8th, the British had a vessel in the Pacific that could be classified as a seaplane tender.   Can you name her??

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RE: How about another one? - 1/24/2009 5:27:07 PM   
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OK, here's a real stumper.

On December 8th, the British had a vessel in the Pacific that could be classified as a seaplane tender.   Can you name her??


HMS Albatross

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RE: How about another one? - 1/24/2009 6:12:23 PM   
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OK, here's a real stumper.

On December 8th, the British had a vessel in the Pacific that could be classified as a seaplane tender.   Can you name her??


HMS Albatross


Very good, but not quite right. Albatross was enroute to the US for refit, and did not return to the Indian Ocean until May, 1942. Even then she was used on the East Coast of Africa - outside the AE map area.



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RE: How about another one? - 1/24/2009 6:46:31 PM   
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The SS Corregidor (former HMS Engadine) was sunk near the Philippines in Dec 41.
HMS Pegasus was in the Atlantic operating as a CAM ship.

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RE: How about another one? - 1/24/2009 6:47:58 PM   
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Well, I don't know then 

The SS Corregidor (former HMS Engadine) was sunk near the Philippines in Dec 41.
HMS Pegasus was in the Atlantic operating as a CAM ship.


Neither HMS nor civilian merchant. But British...



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RE: How about another one? - 1/24/2009 6:51:35 PM   
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Well, I don't know then 

The SS Corregidor (former HMS Engadine) was sunk near the Philippines in Dec 41.
HMS Pegasus was in the Atlantic operating as a CAM ship.


Neither HMS nor civilian merchant. But British...





Not a civvy ship or a warship? Unless I'm missing something then that would put it in the RFA.

EDIT: How about the RAFA Manela. Run by the RAF

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RE: How about another one? - 1/24/2009 7:12:42 PM   
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Not a civvy ship or a warship? Unless I'm missing something then that would put it in the RFA.

EDIT: How about the RAFA Manela. Run by the RAF


Now that (Manela) is one I did not know about. But she seems to have been based at Durban - again outside our map area.

Right on the RAFA though. Think small... Think Singapore...




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RE: How about another one? - 1/24/2009 7:28:52 PM   
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Not a civvy ship or a warship? Unless I'm missing something then that would put it in the RFA.

EDIT: How about the RAFA Manela. Run by the RAF


Now that (Manela) is one I did not know about. But she seems to have been based at Durban - again outside our map area.

Right on the RAFA though. Think small... Think Singapore...






That's an interesting one. The only other RAFA ship I know of is the Dumana which I think is bigger and was in Australia.

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RE: How much do you know? - 1/24/2009 8:34:12 PM   
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And people claim that single ship supply TFs is gamey... 



it´s only gamey if you use 50 single ship TFs in the same hex...

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