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Name This AE...116 - 10/25/2008 3:34:50 AM   
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RE: Name This AE...116 - 10/25/2008 4:09:05 AM   
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RE: Name This AE...116 - 10/25/2008 4:13:14 AM   
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USS Wasp (forground), Saratoga and Enterprise 12Aug 1942


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RE: Name This AE...116 - 10/25/2008 4:29:10 AM   
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And Oerlikon 20mm FLAK guns.

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RE: Name This AE...116 - 10/25/2008 5:03:23 AM   
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RE: Name This AE...116 - 10/25/2008 5:44:57 AM   
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RE: Name This AE...116 - 10/25/2008 9:33:35 AM   
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RE: Name This AE...116 - 10/25/2008 9:39:43 AM   
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Number eight.

Number eight.

Number eight.

Number eight.

Number eight.

Number eight.

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RE: Name This AE...116 - 10/25/2008 10:39:38 AM   
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Pilots in their planes 


Actually there isn't a pilot in the plane.

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RE: Name This AE...116 - 10/25/2008 10:50:28 AM   
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RE: Name This AE...116 - 10/25/2008 10:55:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		The island does look like the Wasp.  The carrier in the middle is a Lexington class, which means it has to be the Saratoga.  I think Nik is right.

That F4F must be on CAP stand by, planes rarely sit on the deck with the wings unfolded.  My first thought was that it was an F4F-3, which didn't have folding wings, but they were out of front line fleet service by August 42.

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RE: Name This AE...116 - 10/25/2008 2:21:58 PM   
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RE: Name This AE...116 - 10/25/2008 2:45:20 PM   
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Uss Wasp 12th Aug 1942 with Saratoga and Enterprise beyond. Nikademus is right.

MJT

I agree, it is rear viev of island (superstructure) USS Wasp CV-7. Armaments on photo: quads 1.1"/75 (28 mm) cannons and 20 mm/70 (0.79") Oerlikons. Wildcat? I think, probably it is F4F3 version.

Some info of carrier:
Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships: USS Wasp VIII (CV-7)
USS Wasp CV-7 Web Port
USS Wasp CV-7 Martime Quest site

Some info of Air Groups on Wasp
Wasp Air Group

Operation Bovery - Wasp and Malta convoys - article
Defence of Malta

Photo album:
NavSource Online: Aircraft Carrier Photo Archive: USS Wasp (CV-7)

War Damage Report: USS Wasp - pdf file
U.S.S. Wasp (CV-7), Torpedo damage - South Pacific, September 15, 1942 (Lost in action)

Some info of cannons:
1.1"/75 (28 mm) Mark 1 and Mark 2
20 mm/70 (0.79") Marks 2, 3 & 4

Some info of F4F Wildcat
The Grumman F4F Wildcat - technical data
Grumman F4F Wildcat - data in tables

Grumman F4F Martlet (Grumman F4F Wildcat) - FAA service

Photo gallery F4F
Grumman F4F "Wildcat" Fighters - Department of the Navy - Naval Historical Center
Rod Lewis's Grumman F4F-3 Wildcat - cool color photos



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RE: Name This AE...116 - 10/25/2008 6:03:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK dumb question. How do you know it's Aug 12 1942 from any way other than finding the photo online? Unless you guys are totally insane of course . . .

Isn't google a bit of a cheat?

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RE: Name This AE...116 - 10/25/2008 6:43:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Something about that picture says the IJN is going to get its ass kicked. Everything looks so well organized, competent and professional. The paint is perfect. The arrestor cables are perfect. The formation is perfect. The guns are all arrayed perfectly.

There had to be more than a few in the Japanese high command who understood they had made a serious error.

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RE: Name This AE...116 - 10/25/2008 7:25:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Something about that picture says the IJN is going to get its ass kicked. Everything looks so well organized, competent and professional. The paint is perfect. The arrestor cables are perfect. The formation is perfect. The guns are all arrayed perfectly.

There had to be more than a few in the Japanese high command who understood they had made a serious error.


Also, when you look at the AAA suite, the ship is still carrying a number of 1.1" Pom-Poms (early war and phased out over time), but there are also a considerable number of 20mm Oerlikons on the ship (AAA increased over time). So you can infer that the pic is from early in the war, but after the ship had time for some of its AAA upgrades.

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RE: Name This AE...116 - 10/25/2008 10:34:11 PM   
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OK dumb question. How do you know it's Aug 12 1942 from any way other than finding the photo online? Unless you guys are totally insane of course . . .

Isn't google a bit of a cheat?


the photo is in Lundstrom Vol II. Thats where i'd seen it before. Caption gave the date.

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RE: Name This AE...116 - 10/25/2008 10:46:07 PM   
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RE: Name This AE...116 - 10/26/2008 1:49:37 AM   
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Number eight(8), it is

20mm Oerlikons, it is

1.1 inch Quad mount, it is

F4F, it is

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Tillman, Wildcat,p.70 notes that at this time the planes on these three CV's were F4F-4's.

This is a well known picture but a favorate of mine.




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RE: Name This AE...116 - 10/26/2008 6:42:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Something about that picture says the IJN is going to get its ass kicked. Everything looks so well organized, competent and professional. The paint is perfect. The arrestor cables are perfect. The formation is perfect. The guns are all arrayed perfectly.

There had to be more than a few in the Japanese high command who understood they had made a serious error.


Though the Wasp didn't have long to live. She was sunk on Sept 15. The sinking was probably the most successful Japanese submarine attack of the war. A spread of 6 torpedoes from the I-19, 3 hit the Wasp, one the USS O'Brien, and a 5th the North Carolina. the North Carolina was hit at extreme range, she was on the other side of the formation.

In the 1950s, my father had a secretary who's brother was MIA and assumed dead. He was aboard the Wasp and his duty station was near where one of the torpedoes hit.

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RE: Name This AE...116 - 10/26/2008 7:23:04 AM   
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RE: Name This AE...116 - 10/26/2008 8:30:55 AM   
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RE: Name This AE...116 - 10/26/2008 11:23:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is a picture of someone working on a Corsair's guns from another angle.  The bay looks very similar: http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USMC/USMC-C-Aces/img/USMC-C-Aces-36.jpg

Note the flaps entend forward to the edge of the bay as in Brady's picture.


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RE: Name This AE...116 - 10/26/2008 12:43:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Something about that picture says the IJN is going to get its ass kicked. Everything looks so well organized, competent and professional. The paint is perfect. The arrestor cables are perfect. The formation is perfect. The guns are all arrayed perfectly.

There had to be more than a few in the Japanese high command who understood they had made a serious error.


thats very true. after their attacks on the "hornet" and the "Big-E" at santa cruz, some of the surviving japanese expert pilots were even not able to speak for a while because of the AA hell they flew through when attacking the US TF.


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RE: Name This AE...116 - 10/26/2008 2:16:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Terminus

And plenty of people around here use the "Google Historian" approach anyway...

"Google Historian" I see... This is personall attack or not..? This is a question... You don't like me and my posts... No problem don't read them... Oh... and forgive me my ignorance in searching informations and historical facts Master of every historical knowledge

p.s. For all (without Mr. T), thanks for all and great fun... Bye bye...

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RE: Name This AE...116 - 10/26/2008 4:25:36 PM   
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RE: Name This AE...116 - 10/26/2008 4:37:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Vampir


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ORIGINAL: Terminus

And plenty of people around here use the "Google Historian" approach anyway...

"Google Historian" I see... This is personall attack or not..? This is a question... You don't like me and my posts... No problem don't read them... Oh... and forgive me my ignorance in searching informations and historical facts Master of every historical knowledge

p.s. For all (without Mr. T), thanks for all and great fun... Bye bye...



as I have said before, don´t give a damn, try to either ignore it or use the green ignore button! There´s only one person on this forum that has the privileg (given by the mods or whoever) to flame or personally attack...

Enough long term members have turned around from the forum because of this person, you´re still pretty new so don´t let him get you turning away also. The mods gave the advice not to react on flaming or personal attacks, just to pm them what´s going on. So far, this seems to haven´t worked though.

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RE: Name This AE...116 - 10/26/2008 5:36:16 PM   
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Though the Wasp didn't have long to live. She was sunk on Sept 15. The sinking was probably the most successful Japanese submarine attack of the war. A spread of 6 torpedoes from the I-19, 3 hit the Wasp, one the USS O'Brien, and a 5th the North Carolina. the North Carolina was hit at extreme range, she was on the other side of the formation.

In the 1950s, my father had a secretary who's brother was MIA and assumed dead. He was aboard the Wasp and his duty station was near where one of the torpedoes hit.

Bill


arugably the most successful sub attack of the war period.

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RE: Name This AE...116 - 10/26/2008 6:55:05 PM   
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RE: Name This AE...116 - 10/26/2008 8:35:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Terminus

And plenty of people around here use the "Google Historian" approach anyway...

<snip>"Google Historian" I see... This is personall attack or not..? </snip>


Not just you, no... But I can see I hit a sore spot, even though I had blocked you shortly after my only post directed at you.

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