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RE: Current book... - 10/22/2008 5:46:17 PM   
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Oh dear, you're reading Lomborg...


Yeah, I just started his book... what's wrong with Lomborg?


I don´t know about Lomborg himself, but I have to agree with the shaky science thing.

He´s a statistician. I don´t have any prejudice against statisticians, in fact some people I respect very much are statisticians - but the art and science of statistics is very much open for abuse.
It is an open secret among those who know statistics (well, very open, but not much of a secret) that you can use statistics to "prove" essentially anything, no matter if it´s true or false.
There´s a joke I heard about statisticians that may well be spot on about Lomborg: A statistician goes hunting with his friends. When he sees a deer, he shoots at it twice; the first round goes exactly ten feet to the left of the deer, the second round exactly ten feet to the right. Afterwards, when talking about the hunt with his friends, he states that, on average, his shots hit the deer dead center.
I could also, more seriously, use statistics to "prove" to you that day-care centers cause leukemia in small children, or that our solar system doesn´t exist.

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RE: Current book... - 10/22/2008 6:07:23 PM   
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Oh, point about statistics well taken. I'm very familiar with how dangerous statistics can be. With that said, it seems that there have been a lot of statistics thrown around this debate in general, so I figured why not read a few more. I read any serious book with my critical thinking skills turned on.

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RE: Current book... - 10/22/2008 6:40:40 PM   
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Oh, point about statistics well taken. I'm very familiar with how dangerous statistics can be. With that said, it seems that there have been a lot of statistics thrown around this debate in general, so I figured why not read a few more. I read any serious book with my critical thinking skills turned on.


Sometimes, I feel as though the "social sciences" movement never took place. Gone is the time when a researcher/author could be lauded as virtuous based solely on the integrity of his work, agree with the conclusions, or not. More and more, I feel like I'm being inundated with "sponsored" gibberish from this talking head, or that, someone who was commissioned to generate a body of data that takes the world where the commissioner would have it go.

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RE: Current book... - 10/22/2008 7:28:02 PM   
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RE: Current book... - 10/22/2008 7:43:36 PM   
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Anyway, we should probably stop with the thread high-jack I started... Finished The Odessa File today, so I'll probably go with either Forsyth's Dogs of War (also a re-read) or Day of Battle (what do you know, it's a re-read!).

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RE: Current book... - 10/22/2008 8:21:17 PM   
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The Great White Hopes: The Quest To Defeat Jack Johnson by Graeme Kent

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Tells the stories of the various white fighters and their promoters, who attempted to dethrone the worlds first black heavyweight boxing champion. Hugely entertaining, I would recommend it to any boxing fans.

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RE: Current book... - 10/22/2008 9:38:23 PM   
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The Battalion
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RE: Current book... - 10/22/2008 11:12:56 PM   
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Been reading Rick Atkinson's An Army at Dawn (US in N. Africa) for a while.

Also Black Ships, Jo Graham, (the story of the travels of Prince Aeneas from a slightly different perpsective).

Rick

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RE: Current book... - 10/22/2008 11:18:39 PM   
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1912 Wilson, Roosevelt, Taft & Debs-The Electiion that Changed the Country by James Chace. This is an interesting time to be reading this one.

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RE: Current book... - 10/22/2008 11:28:41 PM   
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I just ordered "Simplicissimus" by Grimmelshausen.  Even on Amazon, English translations didn't appear to be that plentiful. 

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RE: Current book... - 10/23/2008 12:45:00 AM   
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I'm currently reading "Six Days of the Condor" to my children.  We finished "H.M.S. Ulysses" last week.  The book before that was "The Hobbit."  I've been reading "adult" fiction to my children for about ten years now, something they absolutely love.  For those of you with youngsters at home, I highly recommend it.  Just avoid "Moby-Dick," the worst of the 70-something books we've read to date.

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RE: Current book... - 10/23/2008 12:47:00 AM   
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HMS Ulysses is excellent. I read it the first time when I was about 9.

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RE: Current book... - 10/23/2008 1:58:13 AM   
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Stalingrad to Berlin: The German Defeat in the East by Earl F Ziemke

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RE: Current book... - 10/23/2008 3:02:46 AM   
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RE: Current book... - 10/23/2008 8:23:49 AM   
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"Battle Cry of Freedom" but I don't know if it's too slow to get to the action!

I agree with poster who's reading Shelby Foote's "Civil War" Trilogy... Lovely writing style.

I may go back to that. Any thoughts?
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RE: Current book... - 10/23/2008 10:09:24 AM   
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"Battle Cry of Freedom" but I don't know if it's too slow to get to the action!

I agree with poster who's reading Shelby Foote's "Civil War" Trilogy... Lovely writing style.

I may go back to that. Any thoughts?


Battle Cry of Freedom was my introduction to the ACW. I liked it a lot.
You are right about that it takes 200 pages to get to the war, but as an European I found all the introduction about the causes of the war and the difference between the southern and northern societies and economies very useful to understand the war.
But sometimes the democrat/republican politics can become boring.
Right now I’m slowly reading Footes trilogy (I’m on the beginning of volume 3 by now) and enjoying it very much. Better reading but with so much detail that you can lose the big picture. Glad to have read McPherson before.

Besides Foote books I just finished “The March” by Doctorow A pretty good novel about the ACW (again!)
And I’m finishing “The Spanish Ulcer” by David Gates about the Peninsular War.

RedArgo,
You mean Post Captain by Patrick O’Brian?
AWESOME series of books! I envy you for having still most of the twenty something remaining books unread!
Such an enjoyable reading with greats characters and stories!
If you have not seen it, check the film Master and Commander based on the books. One of the best historical films in decades and very close to the novels!

Regards!

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RE: Current book... - 10/23/2008 1:07:53 PM   
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Arsan,

I really enjoyed the movie and Master and Commander the book. The first one I read was actually Surgeon's Mate (I think) that I found when we were cleaning out my parents house. I've read most of the Hornblower books a couple times and I like O'Brian's series just as much. At the rate I read it may take me a few years to get through all these books.

Now if only there was a game to go along with the naval action.

Bill

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RE: Current book... - 10/23/2008 2:05:39 PM   
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"Battle Cry of Freedom" but I don't know if it's too slow to get to the action!
I agree with poster who's reading Shelby Foote's "Civil War" Trilogy... Lovely writing style.
I may go back to that. Any thoughts?


You really need to read both, Battle Cry of Freedom is great, but I absolutely enjoyed Foote's series more just in terms of the writing.

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RE: Current book... - 10/23/2008 2:19:26 PM   
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I think I'll have to go find Foote's books. His narrations for Ken Burns' series were just fantastic.

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RE: Current book... - 10/24/2008 5:46:26 AM   
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Adolf Hitler by John Toland.
After reading his book of the Japanese Empire I just had to read something else by him. Boy that man knew how to do research!

I read several books at one time so I am also reading The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings.


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RE: Current book... - 10/24/2008 8:49:11 AM   
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I've started on The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. Been meaning to get to it for a while...

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RE: Current book... - 10/24/2008 12:46:38 PM   
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I read several books at one time so I am also reading The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings.


I just recently finished the new "The Children of Hurin" by Tolkien (pieced together by his son Christopher). Great, well done, definitely in Tolkien's words, but don't read it if you're depressed as it's pure tragedy.

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RE: Current book... - 10/24/2008 12:50:22 PM   
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Indeed, very tragic story...

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RE: Current book... - 10/24/2008 1:53:32 PM   
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"Battle Cry of Freedom" but I don't know if it's too slow to get to the action!

I agree with poster who's reading Shelby Foote's "Civil War" Trilogy... Lovely writing style.

I may go back to that. Any thoughts?


im having exactly the same experience - a real struggle for 200 pages, but nevertheless essential to understand the causes - got there in the end though and enjoying the 'best bits now'

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RE: Current book... - 10/24/2008 4:08:52 PM   
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"The Song of the Dodo - Island Biogeography in an Age of Extinctions" by David Quammen.
Fascinating and very well-written book on - well, island biogeography...
And so much more...
Deep and entertaining - highly recommended for anyone with any interest in nature stuff, well, actually, for anyone with a curiosity.


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RE: Current book... - 10/24/2008 4:44:03 PM   
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Adolf Hitler by John Toland.
After reading his book of the Japanese Empire I just had to read something else by him. Boy that man knew how to do research!

I read several books at one time so I am also reading The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings.



John Toland is my favorite military history author. If you enjoy his "The Rising Sun" and "Adolf Hitler", I'd recommend you follow those up with "But Not in Shame", "Battle: The story of the Bulge", "The Last One Hundred Days" and "No Man's Land: 1918, the Last Year of the Great War". Great stuff!

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