Pasha, could you put together an AAR explaining your deft use of infantry?
My experience was there were a number of victory hexes in every scenario and that a fair number of them were often right out in the open. I don't see how French infantry could defend them successfully. German infantry can attack at 6 at two hexes, and German machine gun platoons might get a 9 attack value at two hexes (I forget). Even when it was infantry on infantry, the Germans had a range advantage. It wasn't like trying to defend a victory hex in the middle of a city or the middle of a woods.
I read somewhere that the French inflicted more losses on the Germans during the six-weeks the French were in the war in 1940 than the Soviets inflicted on the Germans during the Soviets' first six weeks of war in 1941.
It's what happened after the first six weeks where France's and the Soviet Union's stories take different paths.
A large number of the French troops taken from Dunkirk were sent back to France to fight.
And then there was Petain's radio message saying it was time for an armistice and to put down arms. Petain did this before an armistice had yet been signed. This caused chaos as a large number of troops were falsely under the impression there was, in fact, an armistice signed and that they could put down their arms.
With leaders like Petain, Pierre Laval, and Bonnet, I wouldn't have risked my life defending that government either.
If the British had Chamberlain in office in June 1940, the British might have knuckled under as well. I question whether the average British soldier would have fought for Chamberlain, who got them into the mess. I think it was a lot easier for the average British soldier to fight for Churchill, who pledged to get them out of this mess. The only French leader with the backbone to fight on was DeGaulle, and he fought on despite monumental odds. When France made its governmental shift in June 1940, it was the side opposed to fighting that took over. When Churchill took office in May 1940, Great Britain took a governmental shift in the exact opposite direction.
I don't believe people make disparaging remarks about the Poles, the Danes, the Norwegians, the Dutch, the Belgians, the Yugoslaves, or the Greeks. What's different is their governments went into exile and continued the war with whatever was left. The French government surrendered and gave up the fight, and then the Vichy government tried to monkey a fascist regime. DeGaulle was sentenced to death by the Vichy government for wanting to continue the fight. I just think the opprobrium should be thrown on the French political leaders rather than on the average French soldier.
there is a lot here to discuss perhaps the history stuff should be in a different thread. Sure i will help you with an after action of the game i talked about yesterday..i made a few screenys. To the other players that have been following this. CS solitaire on the harder settings makes solitaire play far more exiting. The heavy skew or even turning off armor facing effects in my opinion is not recommended at least for my limitations since consistent use of those features will effect how i play in head to head. A lot of play is just feel..so i make the campaign feel like a real game as far as dice go and rear end shots.
Frank. French infantry were fine soldiers. maybe not the greatest marksmen(training)..but what did that matter. France was very powerful in terms of weight of steel. Mobility (ie mp and fire cost) was their big weakness tank for tank. In 1940 much can be explained by the prior war. France sufferd very heavily as did Britain and germany in numbers of youth wiped out in a short time. I think that Napoleon and WW1 simply burnt them out in the sense that once the german exploited allied command problems, they would just ride out a temporary german occupation. Brits are a different kind of attitude and there was still that little mote called English channel chamberlain or not.As far as risking ones life. In my opinion you never fight for your government..you fight to protect your mother and your sister!.
I want to post an After action report in that thread for those interested but my screens are to large in jpeg format..*grumbles something* Maybe someone can help me with posting screens here or i will help with email should all fail.
< Message edited by Pasha -- 10/22/2008 1:35:33 AM >