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This Game Is Awesome! Congrats to VR! - 2/17/2008 6:35:26 PM   
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Just really started getting into it, I have to say Congratulations to the man behind it! I can only imagine what is in the future for this excellent war game!
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RE: This Game Is Awesome! Congrats to VR! - 2/17/2008 7:36:12 PM   
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thanks :)
always nice to get congratulated.

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RE: This Game Is Awesome! Congrats to VR! - 2/19/2008 7:28:24 PM   
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I wholeheartedly agree!!!  Thanks this has been a great game.  Been playing it PBEM against a few friends and we are all really enjoying it.  I'm also really glad its replayable with the random maps and potential mods.  Well done Vic. 

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RE: This Game Is Awesome! Congrats to VR! - 2/19/2008 9:29:03 PM   
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seems we love u Vic!

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RE: This Game Is Awesome! Congrats to VR! - 2/20/2008 8:52:19 PM   
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seems we love u Vic!




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RE: This Game Is Awesome! Congrats to VR! - 2/21/2008 9:32:14 AM   
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Yes just got it today and I cant quit playing it very nice!

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RE: This Game Is Awesome! Congrats to VR! - 2/24/2008 11:11:19 PM   
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The same here, but IMHO there are a couple of negatives:

The Supply and Transfer systems work very, but are quite cryptic to a newcomer. And the manual isn't very helpful, to say the least. The chapter on supply should tell you all you need to know about the subject, but doesn't. Neither does the mini-tutorial. I think I've figured out the supply system now, but only after days of playing, fiddling with the editor and reading this forum. Since supply is one of the most important aspects of the game, this is a serious drawback.

It's even worse with combat. The system works pretty well and allows a lot of variety in scenarios, but there are dozens of factors involved, their function is anything but obvious and the documentation seems disorganized and incomplete to me.

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RE: This Game Is Awesome! Congrats to VR! - 2/25/2008 12:00:23 AM   
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Zook, at the risk of being a tad repetitive, one must practically learn the game to understand the manual.

Thank goodness for the AT Forum!

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RE: This Game Is Awesome! Congrats to VR! - 2/25/2008 12:19:38 AM   
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The same here, but IMHO there are a couple of negatives:

The Supply and Transfer systems work very, but are quite cryptic to a newcomer. And the manual isn't very helpful, to say the least. The chapter on supply should tell you all you need to know about the subject, but doesn't. Neither does the mini-tutorial. I think I've figured out the supply system now, but only after days of playing, fiddling with the editor and reading this forum. Since supply is one of the most important aspects of the game, this is a serious drawback.

It's even worse with combat. The system works pretty well and allows a lot of variety in scenarios, but there are dozens of factors involved, their function is anything but obvious and the documentation seems disorganized and incomplete to me.



You're right. Then again think about it how either extremely expensive such a manual would be that would cover *all* the details involved, or how it would turn into a boring math book. A good manual would look something like a well written AAR... and there already are some of those.

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RE: This Game Is Awesome! Congrats to VR! - 2/25/2008 5:31:21 AM   
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I don't know how you guys approach a new game (or any kind of software). Personally, I never read a manual until I need to. I don't even play tutorials. I just get right into it until I stumble across something I don't quite understand. Then I look it up in the manual, and I expect to find a complete and comprehensive answer there. And in my opinion, game manuals generally suck. But who needs a 200-page PDF if you can't find what you need, and quickly?

I think I understand that pretty well. I'm writing software myself, and I know that maybe a third of your time should be devoted to documenting your work. So much for theory. Documenting stuff isn't fun. What you really want is to fix the most serious bugs, and Go Where No Man Has Gone Before, i.e. add cool new features. You can write the manual on a lazy sunday afternoon, one of these days. Maybe. On the other hand... you could spend the time writing a cool new feature instead, or squash a few bugs. It's more fun and actually makes the world a better place. Writing manuals is for bureaucrats, anyway. Not us creative types.

Oh, it gets worse. Because after adding a cool new feature, you have not only to fix the new bugs, but also update the manual. Tell the users what this new button does. As if the buggers couldn't find out for themselves, simply by clicking on it. You rewrite half the bloody manual every week. Geez, and now you suddenly notice that parts of what you wrote last week are utterly incomprehensible, even to you.

Ideally, you could have somebody else write the manual for you. In the world of niche-market wargames, that somebody is probably your publisher's secretary's nephew, and he's being paid a hundred bucks for the job. That can turn out to be a blessing or a curse. A curse, because maybe he's not really doing a good job and doesn't even know the game well enough to write the manual. When you find out, the game is already shipping. Or a blessing, because he starts at zero, just like any new player, and is much better suited to explain the system, step by step, because he had to understand it all himself very recently.

Actually, I think Vic wrote most of the manual himself. That's why you sometimes find details there you don't really want to know, but also sometimes look for the very basics in vain. That (again, in my limited experience) happens when you document something you've been familiar with for years, because you wrote it yourself. The basics are so obvious to you that sometimes, you forget to explain them.


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