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RE: Overpriced DVDs? - 1/9/2008 12:59:48 PM   
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calling you on your attitude that is high and mighty


RH, look in your posting history for an example of such attitude.

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RE: Overpriced DVDs? - 1/9/2008 2:08:33 PM   
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...your attitude that is high and mighty
...according you you DORFman hahaha. ;)
...I highly doubt you will be able to retire at 45 due to your attitude and spending philosophy.
...out to dinner with the family (if you even have a family gawd knows what woman would want to marry you haha and I'm sure your kids would hate you in secret and talk about you behind your back lol)
...People that live on the streets and eat out of garbage cans are cheap. ;)

I really, really want to jump in here, but I've already publicly apologised to this person, so I'm not going to.

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RE: Overpriced DVDs? - 1/9/2008 2:47:34 PM   
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The problem here is that your paying for all these movies at all. Entertainment at reasonable prices is easy to find. It's called a book, and if your just that thrifty, a public library.

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RE: Overpriced DVDs? - 1/9/2008 2:54:48 PM   
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Who said I took "offense" I was just calling you on your attitude that is high and mighty and think everyone should have to upgrade their cars and lifestyle according you you DORFman hahaha. ;) I highly doubt you will be able to retire at 45 due to your attitude and spending philosophy. You probably do the ole oil change every 3000 miles, replace tires and batteries and brakes every 4 years, goto the movies once a week and out to dinner with the family (if you even have a family gawd knows what woman would want to marry you haha and I'm sure your kids would hate you in secret and talk about you behind your back lol). Spend exhorbatant amounts of money on computer games you never finish or play very long.

Also there is a difference in being CHeAP and being resourceful. I am just resourceful. People that smoke other peoples butts are cheap. haha People that live on the streets and eat out of garbage cans are cheap. ;)

And while we are on the subject of taking offense, why do you take offense when I rebuttal your stupidity? ;)



Wow,

You Jump right into personal attacks about the wife and kids I see , guess that comment about Public Aid really hit home.

So how is it you go from a daily brag here on Matrix forums about how cheap you are, to this above reply and its attempt to start a pi$$ing contest on who has more wealth ?



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RE: Overpriced DVDs? - 1/9/2008 3:03:23 PM   
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But what has this to do with the price of DVDs?


The relationship is dirrect higher taxes including VAT make everthing more expensive in the UK. OTH they actually get some services for the taxes they pay. Nothing archane or difficult to understand.

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RE: Overpriced DVDs? - 1/9/2008 3:20:37 PM   
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But what has this to do with the price of DVDs?


The relationship is dirrect higher taxes including VAT make everthing more expensive in the UK. OTH they actually get some services for the taxes they pay. Nothing archane or difficult to understand.



And we Americans don’t .....?


Enlighten away



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RE: Overpriced DVDs? - 1/9/2008 6:11:38 PM   
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Back to the subject; Blue Ray is all about the money. The manufacturers are drooling over this new scheme to force millions of people to "upgrade" their media and hardware. It's a billion dollar idea. They must be secure now in their belief that the consuming public will follow their pied piper the way women follow the clothing fashion pied piper-you know, the smart guy with the heavy lisp and a hair style from a grade B sci fi.

I won't be participating in their racket-no Blue Ray for me or my family.

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RE: Overpriced DVDs? - 1/10/2008 2:43:11 AM   
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Yes back to the topic (just ignore Stooge haha he's always throwing threads off topic didn't take HIM long to start TROLLING this year I see) ;) Anyways don't waste your money on dvds or cds just wait for cable or direct satellite to bring it to you afterall you're already paying for it might as well use it. ;)

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RE: Overpriced DVDs? - 1/10/2008 3:19:18 AM   
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Yes back to the topic (just ignore Stooge haha he's always throwing threads off topic didn't take HIM long to start TROLLING this year I see) ;)


Note the RH acceptable response

Name calling, personal attacks, insulting ones family , more intelligent dialogue by the enlightened

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upgrade their cars and lifestyle according you you DORFman hahaha. ;)


(if you even have a family gawd knows what woman would want to marry you haha and I'm sure your kids would hate you in secret and talk about you behind your back lol).


why do you take offense when I rebuttal your stupidity? ;)














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RE: Overpriced DVDs? - 1/10/2008 3:35:19 AM   
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Some random related comments:

Movie Theatres:
Its more about the experience than the price. Your also getting out of the house. And its still plenty good to take a girl/gf/wife out for dinner & a movie.
Trying to justify spending more money after that to buy the movie shouldnt have much relevance to what you paid for the above experience but it would probably be a good marketing technique to offer a rebate of $3-5 should you send in a valid movie ticket.

DVD Prices:
On the day they release they are cheap cheap. Transformers was only $14.99 at best buy. Sure I bought the extended edition or whatever for $22.99 i think but i didnt have to. Be happy DVD's aren't all $25+. As for Blu-ray/HD they will come down to DVD prices once sales increase.

Pirating:
Only hurts the issue further.

Netflix:
My personal solution. Since there is no charge per rental I just get a rotation of the films I want to see. If I like a film enough I can get it again. Half the time I don't rewatch DVDs I've bought anyway. The only DVDs I now buy are for movies I absolutely love. The 5 Star Types I know I'll watch plenty a time.

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RE: Overpriced DVDs? - 1/10/2008 4:55:07 AM   
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Netflix:
My personal solution. Since there is no charge per rental I just get a rotation of the films I want to see. If I like a film enough I can get it again. Half the time I don't rewatch DVDs I've bought anyway. The only DVDs I now buy are for movies I absolutely love. The 5 Star Types I know I'll watch plenty a time.


I get the same sort of deal with Hollywood video. I pay 'em $30 a month and can have any 3 DVDs out at the same time. So I can risk getting movies that might suck as long as I'm pretty sure 1 in my stack will be ok. Then I just watch 'em in order of how likely I think it is that they will suck. So I get 15 minutes in to somthing and I don't like it, I just go to the next one in the stack. The next day I can swapp 'em all out if I want or keep indefenately. Best deal I ever found.

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RE: Overpriced DVDs? - 1/10/2008 6:21:37 AM   
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quote:

Netflix:
My personal solution. Since there is no charge per rental I just get a rotation of the films I want to see. If I like a film enough I can get it again. Half the time I don't rewatch DVDs I've bought anyway. The only DVDs I now buy are for movies I absolutely love. The 5 Star Types I know I'll watch plenty a time.


I get the same sort of deal with Hollywood video. I pay 'em $30 a month and can have any 3 DVDs out at the same time. So I can risk getting movies that might suck as long as I'm pretty sure 1 in my stack will be ok. Then I just watch 'em in order of how likely I think it is that they will suck. So I get 15 minutes in to somthing and I don't like it, I just go to the next one in the stack. The next day I can swapp 'em all out if I want or keep indefenately. Best deal I ever found.


It costs only $15 a month for Netflix to get 3.. Of course you have to put them in your mailbox.. But here its only 3-4 days round trip. I think blockbuster will match the $15 a month and you can either mail those or bring em in if there is one near you. If you think about it, since you can drop each in the mail as you finish them its no different than waiting till your done with all 3 and bringing em back... By the time I get to #3 I've already got the new #1 if you follow.

If 3 isnt enough they also offer more for more money, or even less at a time for less money...

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RE: Overpriced DVDs? - 1/10/2008 8:51:12 AM   
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Yes back to the topic (just ignore Stooge haha he's always throwing threads off topic didn't take HIM long to start TROLLING this year I see) ;)


Note the RH acceptable response

Name calling, personal attacks, insulting ones family , more intelligent dialogue by the enlightened

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upgrade their cars and lifestyle according you you DORFman hahaha. ;)


(if you even have a family gawd knows what woman would want to marry you haha and I'm sure your kids would hate you in secret and talk about you behind your back lol).


why do you take offense when I rebuttal your stupidity? ;)















Go back and read the thread Sarge and look who "started it" I merely finished it. ;) As always I win, you lose. ;) And as I've proven time and time again you're still off topic and haven't added anything to the actual conversation or topic. Your first response in this thread was an ATTACK on how I take care of my car and brakes. I said nothing to you you just decided to TROLL as you always do. :)

NOTE SARGES first comments in this thread nothing to do with the topic :

quote:

What do you expect from someone that is driving his auto with 100K on the tires and brakes


PS/edit:
I heard RH invented copper wire fighting over a penny


Once again I only attack back when someone else starts something as YOU always do SARGE. If you can't take it don't dish it out. ;) TROLL

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RE: Overpriced DVDs? - 1/10/2008 2:49:50 PM   
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. Your first response in this thread was an ATTACK on how I take care of my car and brakes. I said nothing to you you just decided to TROLL as you always do. :)

NOTE SARGES first comments in this thread nothing to do with the topic :

quote:

What do you expect from someone that is driving his auto with 100K on the tires and brakes


PS/edit:
I heard RH invented copper wire fighting over a penny


Once again I only attack back when someone else starts something as YOU always do SARGE. If you can't take it don't dish it out. ;) TROLL


No I just pointed out that its no surprise that you haven’t been to the movies since the 80’s , after all if you can afford to maintain the basics such as a auto it comes as no surprise.



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heard RH invented copper wire fighting over a penny

Now that’s a joke
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ORIGINAL: ravinhood

if you even have a family gawd knows what woman would want to marry you haha and I'm sure your kids would hate you in secret and talk about you behind your back lol


Not really sure what you call this , but its inappropriate and childish






PS: The only thing your finishing is what respect/relevance you had left here at Matrix

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RE: Overpriced DVDs? - 1/10/2008 3:37:00 PM   
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Let's settle the little "discussion" RH and Sarge have once and for all. Let us just say you two agree to disagree...Barring that, it WILL have to be pistols at 10 paces.

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RE: Overpriced DVDs? - 1/10/2008 11:40:15 PM   
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I get a kick out of you RH You have'nt been to see a movie since 1986. Thats well... amazing.


Nope sure haven't .....aren't I just the most unique person you ever met? ;)




Yea, Ravinhood, you don't any fit any certain mold and that's good. Diversity makes life interesting. I don't have a problem with how you do things but it is different than most. You never had to take your grandkids to a movie like I have?









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RE: Overpriced DVDs? - 1/11/2008 4:29:15 AM   
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DVD Prices:
On the day they release they are cheap cheap. Transformers was only $14.99 at best buy.


Huh? A real bargain compared to the eight bucks for a theater ticket.
Not bad for a DVD that cost twenty five cents to produce. And of course you provide your own 'projector", air conditioning, and theater.

Then there's the bit about how there's a 250,000 dollar fine and five years in prison should you elect to try and copy "your" dvd or invite some friends over to watch it with you. I would assume beheading would be in order should you think of selling it.

I'm just sayin...


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RE: Overpriced DVDs? - 1/11/2008 4:40:48 AM   
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wow.. where on earth do you get this $0.25 to produce cost from?? Seriously, how do you arrive at the production cost being twenty five cents?

BTW, it might be "your" DVD Disk, but the content on that disk is someone elses and you have no legal rights to it, hence the copyright notice.

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RE: Overpriced DVDs? - 1/11/2008 6:09:16 AM   
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I'm sorry. Actually it's about seventy cents

That's after they've raked in the box office, sales to cable networks, overseas distribution, t-shirts, toys, theme based happy meals at MacDonald's, and all the rest of the loot.  But, poor starving wretches that they are, they need lawyers to seize people's houses when somebody's kid downloads the theme song from the internet.

But hey, the FBI aint all that busy these days.  It's a good thing that they should spend their time and our money protecting the "intellectual property" of a few Hollywood billionaires.  And shouldn't we let some poor oppressed child rapists out of prison to make room for people who illegally copy DVDs to their computer?  Why, society is liable to just go straight to hell if we let criminals like that run around looose.

And silly me, where did I ever get the idea that mere commoners have any legal rights to things they've bought?  Perhaps we should all pay some lawyer before we can operate any device in our homes.  I sure hope it don't cost much for permisssion to use the can opener, because some tender vittles  is sounding pretty good right now.

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RE: Overpriced DVDs? - 1/11/2008 6:48:07 AM   
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oh wow.. wait wait.. never confuse the cost of replication for the cost of production. A physical disk may cost $0.70 to replicate when you're talking thousands of disks (the smaller the run, the higher the cost), but what that article doesn't say is that every disk automatically has at least $4.00 worth of studio royalties on it. You know.. paying the people for the work they put into the movie. That movie that probably cost anywhere from $50m to $150m to make. And that doesn't include the added cost of shipping, warehousing, more shipping, and the retail cut..all people that are trying to make money off of that disk. That kid at best buy helping you find the DVD you were looking for wants to be paid for his time too. So no, no disk with content on it, costs $0.70

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And silly me, where did I ever get the idea that mere commoners have any legal rights to things they've bought? 


And that's my point. You haven't bought anything but the plastic. All you have purchased was the media and have no ownership of the content. Unless you ponied up several million dollars, you do not own any part of the film found on that media. I suppose you feel by buying a book you own the story and can do with it what you like? Try purchasing a Steven king novel, photo copy it, and give copies away..see how long it is before the police come knocking.

That's what copyright is. Steven king, Rowling, Cussler, Paramount studios, FOX, Lucas, or any other "source of material" has the legal right to that work. You do not own it simply by paying for the media the work was presented on.

And it doesn't matter how many millions they made at the theatre. You expect them to just give their work away for free just because it happens to be now delivered on another form of media? Major blockbusters notwithstanding, many movies don't make money now until they're on DVD.

Even movies on "free TV" the studio gets paid, and the station recoups its cost (and hopefully makes a profit) by advertising to you. You're paying for the privilege of watching that movie by being advertised to.

My goodness..copyright law has been in existence (in basic form) since the 1600's.

I get that maybe buying movies is too expensive for somepeople, but at least consider the costs involved in creating that DVD before hand.

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RE: Overpriced DVDs? - 1/11/2008 9:17:24 AM   
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oh wow.. wait wait.. never confuse the cost of replication for the cost of production. A physical disk may cost $0.70 to replicate when you're talking thousands of disks (the smaller the run, the higher the cost), but what that article doesn't say is that every disk automatically has at least $4.00 worth of studio royalties on it. You know.. paying the people for the work they put into the movie. That movie that probably cost anywhere from $50m to $150m to make. And that doesn't include the added cost of shipping, warehousing, more shipping, and the retail cut..all people that are trying to make money off of that disk. That kid at best buy helping you find the DVD you were looking for wants to be paid for his time too. So no, no disk with content on it, costs $0.70


Walmart, when I used to go there, had a good portion of dvds for $1. I got one a couple that had like four episodes of the Cisco Kid on one and the Lone Ranger on the other. I suppose most of that stuff is public domain, but that's a real good deal.




Psst ravinhood....how's that for a deal? $1 for like 1 hour and 45 minutes of video? I never saw VHS deals like that. Which makes me wonder if making VHS's actually cost them more than dvd's these days.

And it's not like any of the dvd deals were bought through some shadey copier either, because every deal I listed in this thread were in the open at either Walmart or Best Buy.

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RE: Overpriced DVDs? - 1/11/2008 10:11:59 AM   
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I'm not sure the point is ownership.

I think he wants to be able to view it with his friends without fear of the authorities charging through the door beause he's in breach of copyright.

And I would rather not be forced to sit and watch crap before my movie. I'll watch the trailers at my convenience thank you.

Also, and I believe this isn't a problem in the US, but in Europe there was an issue where copyright conflicts with peoples rights to make one legal copied disk of their purchase for thei own use as backup.

Long and short is I seldom go to the cinema anymore and DVDs are too expensive (Blue Ray moreso), so I'll be buying even less.


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RE: Overpriced DVDs? - 1/11/2008 10:29:29 AM   
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Another point here in the UK....a publishing company tried to prevent a book being sold below it's recommended retail price.

Is that not price fixing? Apparently not when there is enough financial clout to back you up.

Now some naive people could suggest that the outlet trying to sell the book cheaper than the RRP may have been doing so to get feet in house....some might say that. But I'm not a fan of this "We say it should be sold at £x and that's the way it is....that's price fixing and, as far as I was aware, not in keeping with a competitive market.

But I agree, they couldn't possibly reduce the cost of a DVD...I mean, who would want to stop Superstar Y having another island retreat?


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RE: Overpriced DVDs? - 1/11/2008 4:05:00 PM   
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But I agree, they couldn't possibly reduce the cost of a DVD...I mean, who would want to stop Superstar Y having another island retreat?




That's right. They need those as bases of operations against the Cretan's-they need that money.

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RE: Overpriced DVDs? - 1/11/2008 7:55:41 PM   
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Psst ravinhood....how's that for a deal? $1 for like 1 hour and 45 minutes of video? I never saw VHS deals like that. Which makes me wonder if making VHS's actually cost them more than dvd's these days.


Producing a VHS disk always cost more than producing a DVD.. even when VHS/BETA was all the rage. The VHS cassette has moving parts and needs assembly, that is always going to be more expensive than a thin foil with a plastic coating. VHS tape also takes longer to have the content copied to the tape due to the fact of..well of it being a tape. So that longer copy time adds to the cost.

As for the $1 DVD, yeah, the Lone Ranger probably doesn't have a lot of licensing fees associated with it. I wouldn't be surprised if those were simply clearence sale items that were $15 at one point. 


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RE: Overpriced DVDs? - 1/12/2008 2:03:04 AM   
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Walmart, when I used to go there, had a good portion of dvds for $1. I got one a couple that had like four episodes of the Cisco Kid on one and the Lone Ranger on the other. I suppose most of that stuff is public domain, but that's a real good deal.


There is no such thingas "public domain" any more. Our distinguished public servants in their wisdom and in response to millions of dollars in bribes from various lobbyists representing a variety of corporate interests, have extended patents and copyrights back to the Bronze Age.

Remember way back when It's a Wonderful Life and The Wizard of Oz could be seen ll the time on your local station's late night movies? No more. Ted Turner bought the "rights" to all that property in the public domain. Of course nobody else even knew there were any "rights" to public property, so he paid virtually nothing for the exclusive "rights" to decades old classic movies. That's how him and Jane Fonda made a pile of dough. Literally money from nothing.

Worked out pretty good for the Pharmacudical Industy, too. That's why you pay 300 bucks a bottle for prescription medicines with no expiration date on the patents. That aint free enterprise; that's a government enforced monoply. Just like the price of sawdust bread on Soviet collective farms. You'll pay what ever they demand or go without.

As for "theft", if some guy manufactures counterfeit copies of DVDs and sells them out of a kiosk; that's "theft". I'll do whatever I damned well please with books or DVDs I paid for. If I want to copy them to my computer; that's my business. If I want to sell them to a used book store, corporate lawyers can eat my shorts. I'll even give them or sell them to anyone I please.

Did you know it's illegal now to play recorded music in a pub without paying off some fat cat? A long time ago, there were places where you could hang out with your friends and drink cheap draft beer without putting a lien on your house to pay a cover charge. I guess they'll sick lawyers on pubs with a big screen TV so customers can watch the ball games next. Or have they done that already?

Want to celebrate the Martin Luther King holiday in the United States? Did you know his "likeness" and speeches are the "intellectual property" of the King family? So if you quote his speeches or display his image without paying them you are a criminal? And if you don't; you're a racist? So you cannot reprint the words or the image of a public figure without paying off his heirs?

Can you say "fascist"?

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RE: Overpriced DVDs? - 1/12/2008 2:35:35 AM   
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Want to celebrate the Martin Luther King holiday in the United States? Did you know his "likeness" and speeches are the "intellectual property" of the King family? So if you quote his speeches or display his image without paying them you are a criminal? And if you don't; you're a racist? So you cannot reprint the words or the image of a public figure without paying off his heirs?


Actually, that's not quite correct. Most countries (including the US and Canada) allow for "fair use" of IP. So no, while you can not produce copies of his speach or images of him and claim them as your own, you can quote them in a book of your own as a reference giving credit to the source. So you can legally say or write in a book 

"In the words of Martin Luther King; 'All men are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality.' "

Quoting that in a book, or news paper, or TV show is perfectly legal. Again, it's called fair use and nobody is going to be thrown in jail because of it. Now if you tried to pass that off as your own quote then yes, you'd have a problem.

Copyright law also allows for Parady too, so you can create an editorial cartoon showing Darth Vader smoking pot and Lucasfilm can't come after you.

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RE: Overpriced DVDs? - 1/12/2008 2:49:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Doggie

I guess they'll sick lawyers on pubs with a big screen TV so customers can watch the ball games next. Or have they done that already?




Done,

Tribune Co. enforce Copy Rights in Wrigleyville to roof tops and a host of pubs circling the Park on game day .

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RE: Overpriced DVDs? - 1/12/2008 3:44:53 AM   
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You know what this ole world is turning into is becoming a scary thing. You know that singing Happy Birthday song is illegal as well? hahahahah Yup it's copyrighted. First they number all of us, then tell us we can't say or do anything without expressed written permission and we must pay X amount of dollars to infinity to the infinite power of infinity times infinity plus "shipping and handling fees". ;)

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RE: Overpriced DVDs? - 1/12/2008 6:53:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: David Winter

Actually, that's not quite correct.


Actually, it is:

The 11th circuit of the United States Court of Appeals ruled that the public performance of his speech did not constitute "general publication" and thus by giving this speech in public he did not forfeit his copyright. Thus, King's estate is able to require a license fee for redistribution of the speech, whether in a television program, a history book, a dramatic re-enactment, or otherwise.

I need to find me a lawyer so I can buy the "rights" to Jesus Christ and Santa Claus. I'll clean up every Christmas. And why not? I have just as much right to Kris Kringle as Ted Turner does to The Maltese Falcon. And I'm betting one of my ancestors invented the wheel.






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