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Access to move in Allied Country? - 12/9/2007 7:56:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Can't see a way to gain access to allied countries to move through them. What am I missing? I thought it was a given that if you're allied, you would want your ally to be able to land troops to assist you in the war effort.
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RE: Access to move in Allied Country? - 12/9/2007 9:07:52 PM   
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Can't see a way to gain access to allied countries to move through them. What am I missing? I thought it was a given that if you're allied, you would want your ally to be able to land troops to assist you in the war effort.


Your ally has to grant access. In the political window there are check marks to allow access. Now that mean you allow them to enter your land not to enter theirs...they have to do that.

They don't care what foreign troops are menacing their homes.

Your filthy so called allied men are stealing chickens and impregnating the goats! Ally?...you call yourself an ally...<spat> How dare you try to enter my country without my permission??? I would as soon surrender to the filth that occupies my land than to suffer the embarrassment of this!!!!




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RE: Access to move in Allied Country? - 12/9/2007 9:17:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah kinda figured that was the problem, however there should at least be a way of ASKING the stupid spaniards if they will allow the idiot brits to come in and help them out

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RE: Access to move in Allied Country? - 12/9/2007 11:39:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		You actually can request it in the diplomacy phase. There is a request access button on the second page of the phase buttons in the lower left.



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RE: Access to move in Allied Country? - 12/10/2007 3:35:32 PM   
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RE: Access to move in Allied Country? - 12/10/2007 3:39:13 PM   
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RE: Access to move in Allied Country? - 12/10/2007 6:25:43 PM   
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The spaniards wanted me there...

The French didn't.

The French convinced me to leave

lol thanks for pointing out where it was Marshall, overall I am extremely pleased with the game.  Yeah there are some bugs in it, but right now the only thing that is truly missing is the smell of cigar smoke from my buddy I used to play with.  Ya'll did an excellent job of recreating this thing for digital play.

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RE: Access to move in Allied Country? - 1/23/2008 4:01:10 PM   
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You actually can request it in the diplomacy phase. There is a request access button on the second page of the phase buttons in the lower left.




An ally should for game enhancement also be able to give access. Just like you can lend corps.
Else Diplomacy order is messing up EIA(compatible) you cant do combined movement, cant ask ally to depot supply without lending. And if your diplomacy phase is before your allies, you cant get access during that month.
Seems buggy ? Could be improved by game enhancement.

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RE: Access to move in Allied Country? - 1/23/2008 4:08:36 PM   
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Using the Request For Access button during your Diplomacy phase will tell you right away whether your ally will allow you access. You can also get access to MPs who are not your ally, though it is more difficult. In all the games I have played so far, I have not yet been denied access by a MP ally and I've only been denied access a couple of times by a non-allied MP.

Cheers,

Ted

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RE: Access to move in Allied Country? - 1/23/2008 4:20:15 PM   
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Bresh,

Using the Request For Access button during your Diplomacy phase will tell you right away whether your ally will allow you access. You can also get access to MPs who are not your ally, though it is more difficult. In all the games I have played so far, I have not yet been denied access by a MP ally and I've only been denied access a couple of times by a non-allied MP.

Cheers,

Ted


Hi Ted.

You can only request and have chance of getting access from a non-allied MP if its AI-controlled.

If its with human players it works other way.
Example :
1.In PBM you can ally in JAN. But you wont be granted Access if your ally has his diplomacy-phase after you. (since he hasnt checked the box yet)

2.In PBM iF his diplomacy phase is before yours he can check the Allow access to his ally, and when you request later in your diplomacy phase, it is granted anyhow.

That means it your earliest access is 2 months after some alliances, in the 1.example access is granted March.
And in the 2. you get in Febuary.
To me that sounds a bad way.
Even worse when you consider, for now we do not have combined movement.

Adding a diplomacy action allow access to ally, just like you chose how to lend a corps to an ally could reduce the problem.

Regards
Bresh


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RE: Access to move in Allied Country? - 1/23/2008 9:47:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		What if u grant access in the setup phase?

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RE: Access to move in Allied Country? - 1/24/2008 2:20:27 AM   
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What if u grant access in the setup phase?


Ehm, you dont have any alliances during setup phase.

Though if you mean some phase during the same month as the diplomacy-phase, i guess they could mark the allow Access.

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RE: Access to move in Allied Country? - 1/24/2008 2:23:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Should access be automatic at the creation of an alliance?
Do we have a "cart and horse" scenario?

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RE: Access to move in Allied Country? - 1/24/2008 2:59:44 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: zaquex

What if u grant access in the setup phase?


Ehm, you dont have any alliances during setup phase.

Though if you mean some phase during the same month as the diplomacy-phase, i guess they could mark the allow Access.

Regards
Bresh


In most games (all ive played there is talks before the setup phase) if you agree with an alliance or for any other reason, as EiANW allows to give access to unallied powers you should be able to grant acces in the setup phase before the first Diplomacy phase...

Havent tried it but i suppose it should work.

quote:

Should access be automatic at the creation of an alliance?
Do we have a "cart and horse" scenario?


I can think of many scenarios where you would not like that idea, i would certainly prefere not to implement that and I think, at least, any GB player would agree.

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RE: Access to move in Allied Country? - 1/24/2008 11:19:51 AM   
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In most games (all ive played there is talks before the setup phase) if you agree with an alliance or for any other reason, as EiANW allows to give access to unallied powers you should be able to grant acces in the setup phase before the first Diplomacy phase...

Havent tried it but i suppose it should work.



That option is not avaible for EIANW, only when you play with an AI, you can request access through a neutral country.
The box allow access is only avaible in the menus after you ally.
I know its not like EIA used to work, since you could allow access and still remain neutral.

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Bresh

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RE: Access to move in Allied Country? - 1/24/2008 11:21:53 AM   
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Should access be automatic at the creation of an alliance?
Do we have a "cart and horse" scenario?


For most i wouldnt mind, though im not experienced EIA player, so dont know.



Dont know if nations could be able to allow access while remain neutral, not sure how it worked in EIA ?

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RE: Access to move in Allied Country? - 1/24/2008 1:56:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe allies should be possible to predeclare as war is

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RE: Access to move in Allied Country? - 1/24/2008 4:32:01 PM   
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Maybe allies should be possible to predeclare as war is


Most would NOT want to do this - the reason for predelaring WAR is avoid losing pp's.
You want to GAIN pp's

Also; this would be hard to do - the war predeclare is imported thru the GAP program
at that point; you don't know WHO is WHO & probably do NOT want to telegraph all
of your negotiations to someone who may not playing the country you expect but instead
ends up playing the opponent

eg. I negotiate with "Joe". I expect to be playing Spain & for "Joe" to be France &
we work out how we are going to stomp the Brits... come bid time; "Joe" ends up
AS Britain - how long do you think my navy will survive?

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RE: Access to move in Allied Country? - 1/24/2008 4:59:34 PM   
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Should access be automatic at the creation of an alliance?
Do we have a "cart and horse" scenario?


Access should not be automatic. Access is granted in Eia on a per case basis. Meaning you say you want to send these corps in once you have let them in they can stay according to the stipulations set forth in the agreement.
So In EiANW I would suggest being allowed to cancel access, but your "trapped corps" be allowed to leave.

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RE: Access to move in Allied Country? - 1/25/2008 12:02:13 AM   
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RE: Access to move in Allied Country? - 1/25/2008 12:43:58 AM   
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Access should not be automatic. Access is granted in Eia on a per case basis. Meaning you say you want to send these corps in once you have let them in they can stay according to the stipulations set forth in the agreement.
So In EiANW I would suggest being allowed to cancel access, but your "trapped corps" be allowed to leave.


So, per-corps, per-ally binary access (allowed to enter any territory, or not), access only checked on entrance?

Or if access is revoked, movement w/n an allied or neutral major should only be permitted if it reduces distance to friendly territory (in other words, must be heading home)? (and on a related matter, would the 'trapped' corps be required to move, or would sitting there be permissible?)

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RE: Access to move in Allied Country? - 1/25/2008 4:25:09 PM   
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RE: Access to move in Allied Country? - 1/26/2008 11:09:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Marshall Ellis

Gotchya! I'll leave this as is for now!


Except one change needs making:

If player A requests access in the diplomacy phase, and later in that phase player B grants access, then at the end of the diplomacy phase access should be granted. The current situation is that since player A requests access before player B grants it, access is not granted and the players have to wait an additional month before access is granted.

Players should be able to accept an alliance, request an alliance, grant access, and request access, in any order in the diplomacy phase, and it should all be resolved at the end of that phase. You need a method to request an alliance, accept an alliance, grant access, and request access, all in one step in the diplomacy phase.

Marshall, not to be rude, but have you ever played EiA? This is pretty fundamental to the game.


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RE: Access to move in Allied Country? - 1/26/2008 11:59:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		 I guess the way to solve it is that like french and english move order changes allow access asked for to be granted in the reinforcement phase. Its not as in EiA but as the program doesnt split diplomacy phase in to sub-phases this is the way to go around it without requiring more mail exchanges.

Or alternativly go TCP/IP and a lot of timing/sequence problems go away.

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