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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 12/9/2007 8:37:52 PM   
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Map Question:

From an old query of mine has this been corected?:

The Alcan Highway seams to run to Jeauno Alaska, and No road ever ran nor does run to Jeano Alaska, In Fact the Alcan Highway does not anywhear near the coat it ran from Montania through Canada up the East side of BC to the SE corner of the Youkon Teritiry then over to Alaska, at no time was near the Coast. Also it apears that Prince Rupert is not on the road, or perhaps I just misread it on the map, Prince Rupert was conected to the rest of Canada by Road and Rail links.

I asume the Alcan is not realy usable until it's Historical compleation date corect?


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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 12/9/2007 10:07:20 PM   
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Brady, when you consider that Andrew's mapmod repaired the ALCAN highway mistakes of the original map, I think we can reasonably exptect that it was taken care of in the AE as well.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 12/9/2007 10:19:03 PM   
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Brady, when you consider that Andrew's mapmod repaired the ALCAN highway mistakes of the original map, I think we can reasonably exptect that it was taken care of in the AE as well.


The layout of the highway has been corrected but, if I'm not mistaken, they can't build roads so players will have to use house rules to not use ALCAN until it's operational date.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 12/9/2007 10:43:23 PM   
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Is oil still necessary for heavy industry?


No.



Wow. Can you list what is needed for HI, LI, refinery, etc....


I listed it earlier in this thread, at least in brief. I will provide a better formatted list when I have time to do so (which is not now).

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 12/9/2007 10:47:27 PM   
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Brady, when you consider that Andrew's mapmod repaired the ALCAN highway mistakes of the original map, I think we can reasonably exptect that it was taken care of in the AE as well.


The layout of the highway has been corrected but, if I'm not mistaken, they can't build roads so players will have to use house rules to not use ALCAN until it's operational date.


Unfortunately, building of infrastructure did not get implemented. It was discussed, and might be able to be added at some point. But it is not currently included. For this reason I decide not to add the Alcan highway at all.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 12/10/2007 3:15:17 AM   
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Unfortunately, building of infrastructure did not get implemented. It was discussed, and might be able to be added at some point. But it is not currently included. For this reason I decide not to add the Alcan highway at all.

Andrew


So you're saying it doesn't go near the coast at AT ALL?







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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 12/10/2007 3:28:41 PM   
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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 12/10/2007 3:46:42 PM   
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On the map, could you verify that it expands to include Aden?  And it look slike Panama/Panama Canal are *not* in it.  Bummer on that as I liked that touch.

Second, since you've shrunk the hex-size to 40m hex from 60m-hex, does this mean that the geographic area covered on-screen at any one time has now shrunk from about 1,440,000 sq miles [1500 miles E-W and 960 miles N-S] to 640,000 sq miles [1000 miles E-W and 640 miles N-S].  Is that right?

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 12/10/2007 5:49:02 PM   
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I thought Panama was on the new map. In fact, I thought I read that two bases are modeled there now. Maybe I read wrong?

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 12/10/2007 6:05:17 PM   
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I thought Panama was on the new map. In fact, I thought I read that two bases are modeled there now. Maybe I read wrong?


It's hard to tell -- but in the screenshots the strategic map look slike it has some small land-mass on the far west -- near where Aden is on the CHS map but nothing in the far east to correspond to where Panama was. There is mention of "off-map hexes" to model off-map movement, so there might be a Panama Canal hex of that variety.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 12/10/2007 7:16:48 PM   
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Panama is definitely in the game.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 12/11/2007 2:08:01 AM   
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I would really like to see the editor include an ability to modify the pwhex file as can be done with WITP EditorX. As mentioned above, the program must exist for the new pwhex/map to be made - why not include it?" I am just adding support to both what El Cid and hueglin have said. Considering how the contributions by Subchaser, CobraAus and you Andrew have impacted the whole WitP community. I feel that such map utilities are a very necessary inclusion for the continuing betterment of the WitP community.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 12/11/2007 4:39:40 AM   
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Panama is definitely in the game.



Yes it is. The Panama Canal zone is basically the same as depicted on my WitP 1 map. The difference being you can now move TFs through the canal (something I decided not to allow on my WitP1 map), so there are two bases, one each on the Pacific and Atlantic (Caribbean) sides.

The "landmass" in the NW corner of the map is part of Africa that serves to separate the Northern and Western map edges.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 12/11/2007 4:43:16 AM   
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On the map, could you verify that it expands to include Aden? And it look slike Panama/Panama Canal are *not* in it. Bummer on that as I liked that touch.


As mentioned by Sonny II, Panama is included. Aden is as well.

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Second, since you've shrunk the hex-size to 40m hex from 60m-hex, does this mean that the geographic area covered on-screen at any one time has now shrunk from about 1,440,000 sq miles [1500 miles E-W and 960 miles N-S] to 640,000 sq miles [1000 miles E-W and 640 miles N-S]. Is that right?


That's right - the area visible on the map is smaller than before (in terms of square miles - the screen layout itself is unchanged).

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 12/11/2007 10:33:51 AM   
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As mentioned by Sonny II, Panama is included. Aden is as well.

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Second, since you've shrunk the hex-size to 40m hex from 60m-hex, does this mean that the geographic area covered on-screen at any one time has now shrunk from about 1,440,000 sq miles [1500 miles E-W and 960 miles N-S] to 640,000 sq miles [1000 miles E-W and 640 miles N-S]. Is that right?


That's right - the area visible on the map is smaller than before (in terms of square miles - the screen layout itself is unchanged).

Andrew



That's excellent news about Panama; I just couldn't see it in the very small strat map in the new screenshots. Could you comment on how the 2 bases in Panama and border/off-screen movement is supposed to work?

I'm very pleased with the 40 miles hexes as that makes for (probably) better land campaigns and more interesting naval activities as well. At the same time, and I realise this is out of your control and an engine issue so not to be changed, shrinking the area visible on the map is going to be a bit of a pain, especially for LR bombing missions and medium-range naval missions.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 12/11/2007 1:16:00 PM   
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That's excellent news about Panama; I just couldn't see it in the very small strat map in the new screenshots. Could you comment on how the 2 bases in Panama and border/off-screen movement is supposed to work?


I will be able to provide a better description of the off-map movement once it is fully functional! But (very) briefly - the Allies will be able to move ships to/from the map edges to several off-map bases, including Panama. This uses a special type of movement called, strangely enough, "off-map movement". A TF so moved will spend several turns "travelling" to its chosen destination. Of course it is also possible to move the other way - from the off-map boxes to the map itself. In addition it is also possible to move directly between the off-map boxes. So in this way a TF can move, for example, between the US West coast and the Indian Ocean via off-map movement (i.e. via the Atlantic).

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I'm very pleased with the 40 miles hexes as that makes for (probably) better land campaigns and more interesting naval activities as well. At the same time, and I realise this is out of your control and an engine issue so not to be changed, shrinking the area visible on the map is going to be a bit of a pain, especially for LR bombing missions and medium-range naval missions.


Yes that might be the case. I guess we will find out as playtesting continues.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 12/11/2007 3:55:11 PM   
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I would really like to see the editor include an ability to modify the pwhex file as can be done with WITP EditorX.

I would like this too, but unless I'm mistaken, EditorX was not released with WITP either. If AE includes it, great; if not, some modder will have it ready for us within a couple weeks. From what I understand, the pwhex file is now easier to manipulate than before, so modding it should be just as feasible as it always was.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 12/11/2007 8:13:53 PM   
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When can we a pic of the full map?

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 12/11/2007 9:08:07 PM   
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I recently bought a reprint of the 1918 edition of "Weyers Flottentaschenbuch" (Pocket guide to the World's war fleets - still well worth having in the contemporary editions, lists all ships of all navies with photos and line drawings). Now I'm certain that the data about the navies participating in WWI is somewhat suspect, due to propaganda/fog of war, but this was an official reference for navy officers.

There is a section in the back listing the shipyard infrastructure of those countries that had a shipbuilding industry, and in the section about Japan - Navy yards there appear the following entries:

Port Arthur: two drydocks - repair shipyard

Pescadores: one drydock, one floating dock - ship repair facility

This is information from 1918 or earlier, and those docks were not marked as suitable for major warships, but in WitP stock, neither Port Arthur nor Pescadores have repair yards. I should guess that, if those entries are correct, Pescadores would rate 5-10 repair yards, and Port Arthur 10-20 repair yards. Does AE have those facilities?

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 12/11/2007 10:20:42 PM   
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Would it be possible to show on the base information screen (and maybe on the ground unit screens as well) the terrain type of the hex?

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 12/12/2007 6:58:41 AM   
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Andrew,

The AI in the WITP I Extended map did not know how to use all the new bases. Will the AI know how to use the new bases in WITP AE?

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 12/12/2007 12:37:43 PM   
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That's excellent news about Panama; I just couldn't see it in the very small strat map in the new screenshots. Could you comment on how the 2 bases in Panama and border/off-screen movement is supposed to work?


I will be able to provide a better description of the off-map movement once it is fully functional! But (very) briefly - the Allies will be able to move ships to/from the map edges to several off-map bases, including Panama. This uses a special type of movement called, strangely enough, "off-map movement". A TF so moved will spend several turns "travelling" to its chosen destination. Of course it is also possible to move the other way - from the off-map boxes to the map itself. In addition it is also possible to move directly between the off-map boxes. So in this way a TF can move, for example, between the US West coast and the Indian Ocean via off-map movement (i.e. via the Atlantic).

quote:

I'm very pleased with the 40 miles hexes as that makes for (probably) better land campaigns and more interesting naval activities as well. At the same time, and I realise this is out of your control and an engine issue so not to be changed, shrinking the area visible on the map is going to be a bit of a pain, especially for LR bombing missions and medium-range naval missions.


Yes that might be the case. I guess we will find out as playtesting continues.

Andrew



If Panama is in "off map boxes" - and if only the Allies may move to Panama - then it seems that the Japanese may not threaten Panama - nor attack and damage the Canal or units stationed there. Is this correct?

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 12/12/2007 12:42:04 PM   
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I recently bought a reprint of the 1918 edition of "Weyers Flottentaschenbuch" (Pocket guide to the World's war fleets - still well worth having in the contemporary editions, lists all ships of all navies with photos and line drawings). Now I'm certain that the data about the navies participating in WWI is somewhat suspect, due to propaganda/fog of war, but this was an official reference for navy officers.

There is a section in the back listing the shipyard infrastructure of those countries that had a shipbuilding industry, and in the section about Japan - Navy yards there appear the following entries:

Port Arthur: two drydocks - repair shipyard

Pescadores: one drydock, one floating dock - ship repair facility

This is information from 1918 or earlier, and those docks were not marked as suitable for major warships, but in WitP stock, neither Port Arthur nor Pescadores have repair yards. I should guess that, if those entries are correct, Pescadores would rate 5-10 repair yards, and Port Arthur 10-20 repair yards. Does AE have those facilities?


IJN had several (three I think) "Mobile Repairs Sections" - and one of these started the war in the Pescadores - they called it Baku. Eventually Mobile Repairs Sections operated at Soerabaja and Cavete - while at Hong Kong the shipyards there worked for the Japanese. Some ships were repaired and/or completed in these places - and later landing ships began building in Hong Kong late in the war.

Certainly you will find various shipyards in all these places - and many more (a tiny one at Cebu, the Indian one at Vizakapatam, etc) in RHS. If they are not in AE scenarios as released, they certainly can be in mods.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 12/12/2007 2:03:05 PM   
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When can we a pic of the full map?



That is a question you will have to put to Matrix.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 12/12/2007 2:06:01 PM   
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I recently bought a reprint of the 1918 edition of "Weyers Flottentaschenbuch" (Pocket guide to the World's war fleets - still well worth having in the contemporary editions, lists all ships of all navies with photos and line drawings). Now I'm certain that the data about the navies participating in WWI is somewhat suspect, due to propaganda/fog of war, but this was an official reference for navy officers.

There is a section in the back listing the shipyard infrastructure of those countries that had a shipbuilding industry, and in the section about Japan - Navy yards there appear the following entries:

Port Arthur: two drydocks - repair shipyard

Pescadores: one drydock, one floating dock - ship repair facility

This is information from 1918 or earlier, and those docks were not marked as suitable for major warships, but in WitP stock, neither Port Arthur nor Pescadores have repair yards. I should guess that, if those entries are correct, Pescadores would rate 5-10 repair yards, and Port Arthur 10-20 repair yards. Does AE have those facilities?


I will have to check, but I have yet to spend much time reviewing the location of naval shipyards. It is on the list though, so any useful information is welcome.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 12/12/2007 2:07:45 PM   
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Would it be possible to show on the base information screen (and maybe on the ground unit screens as well) the terrain type of the hex?


That would be helpful, but I will have to pass on the suggestion to the people who look after the interface code.

Andrew

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 12/12/2007 2:08:57 PM   
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Andrew,

The AI in the WITP I Extended map did not know how to use all the new bases. Will the AI know how to use the new bases in WITP AE?


It should be able to. The AI is being worked on, so this can be taken into account.

Andrew

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 12/12/2007 2:10:29 PM   
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If Panama is in "off map boxes" - and if only the Allies may move to Panama - then it seems that the Japanese may not threaten Panama - nor attack and damage the Canal or units stationed there. Is this correct?


Yes, that is correct. Allowing the Japanese to also use off-map movement would have raised a whole new set of problems, not least for the AI, so it was not included in the scope.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 12/12/2007 2:14:27 PM   
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IJN had several (three I think) "Mobile Repairs Sections" - and one of these started the war in the Pescadores - they called it Baku. Eventually Mobile Repairs Sections operated at Soerabaja and Cavete - while at Hong Kong the shipyards there worked for the Japanese. Some ships were repaired and/or completed in these places - and later landing ships began building in Hong Kong late in the war.

Certainly you will find various shipyards in all these places - and many more (a tiny one at Cebu, the Indian one at Vizakapatam, etc) in RHS. If they are not in AE scenarios as released, they certainly can be in mods.


As I mentioned to "mikemike" - any useful information you may have on shipyard size and location would be helpful. I will be reviewing this soon.

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RE: Admiral's Edition Map Thread - 12/12/2007 6:05:12 PM   
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Andrew Brown-

1) You saw that list of ship yards in that link posted about Japan at the end of the war?


2) So is The Columbia now a place whear ships arive at(Liberity ships,escorts,ect?)Portland/Vancover/Astoria?

3) Blimp's, so the Large fixed Blimp bases like Tillamook, are they in game?

Link for Tillamook NAS: http://www.nastillamook.org/



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