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RE: Will This Run on 64-bit OSs? - 11/30/2007 5:39:26 PM   
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1. You folks can whine all you want. When the shift comes, whether it is to consoles or 64-bit-hood, fossile emulator games like Matrix and others market will be undesirable. Matrix and similar companies are not able to pro-act the market. The shift is inevitable as a consequence of market forces. Personally I think that consoles are the future of all gaming including the turn-based sort that I like. I also think that the Sony line will eventually win out as it has massive unused capacity even though it is too expensive for the games that are available for it etc. I also think Sony is a really satanic corporation. Ditto Microsoft.
2. I mostly started this because I think that Matarix should specify just what their software will run on so that people like me can make a reasonable purchase decision. Matrix, see Eric Rutins' comments about "Caveat Emptor," wants to play wargames against its customer base. That is suicide. I just did potential Matrix customers a service by buying and testing Starshatter on my little, rediculously low-spec 64-bit system and it seems to work. I do not see why they cannot test their software on different systems/configs and just report the results on the game site with other systems requirement data.
3. Lotta people talk about emulation. Emulation is better than no solution at all. I looked at VMware a while back on advice of a consultant. It seemed simpler to me to just run another system doing its regular job than replace it with an emulated verson on a more powerful system. Systems are cheap particularly when they are running low-demand office tasks. I put single-task boxes on KVM switches when I have to and they work just fine. I have never really seen the need for emulators except to run these antique games from Matrix and similar vendors. Actually I could run most of my office correspondence on my old Kaypro II. It typed letters, compiled multi-chapter documents and did simple spreadsheets just fine. The salient reason to buy more spiffy hardware is to play games. Now I need to find some games. OK then.
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RE: Will This Run on 64-bit OSs? - 11/30/2007 6:18:06 PM   
Erik Rutins

 

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Hammersinger,

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ORIGINAL: hammersinger
2. I mostly started this because I think that Matarix should specify just what their software will run on so that people like me can make a reasonable purchase decision. Matrix, see Eric Rutins' comments about "Caveat Emptor," wants to play wargames against its customer base. That is suicide. I just did potential Matrix customers a service by buying and testing Starshatter on my little, rediculously low-spec 64-bit system and it seems to work. I do not see why they cannot test their software on different systems/configs and just report the results on the game site with other systems requirement data.


I'm not sure I understand this. We do list what our software runs on. We list the compatible operating systems, based on our testing. If we can't test an operating system, we won't list it. I think everyone pretty much understands that if their OS is not on the game's supported OS list, then they're taking a big risk buying the game and hoping it will work. Hence the "caveat emptor".

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RE: Will This Run on 64-bit OSs? - 12/1/2007 1:08:04 AM   
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Lotta people talk about emulation. Emulation is better than no solution at all. I looked at VMware a while back on advice of a consultant. It seemed simpler to me to just run another system doing its regular job than replace it with an emulated verson on a more powerful system. Systems are cheap particularly when they are running low-demand office tasks. I put single-task boxes on KVM switches when I have to and they work just fine. I have never really seen the need for emulators except to run these antique games from Matrix and similar vendors. Actually I could run most of my office correspondence on my old Kaypro II. It typed letters, compiled



You miss the point on VMWare and other virtualization products, yes you may be able to buy a cheaper hardware then one super server that can run so many virtual machines.  The main benefits that companies in the Enterprise world are going to VMWare are:

1.  Power Cosumption - Power is very expensive and this will help save costs as well as reduce data center foot print.  Data Center Realte Space is very expensive and in fact many data center providers are running out of space and power.  VMWare solves that problem.  Instead of 200 physical servers taking up power and rack space you now have 20 beefy servers taking up the space and running 180 Virtual Servers on them for example.  Cost in the long run will be MUCH cheaper not just for hardware but for data center and power costs.  If VMWare and virtualization is so useless why is it growing so rapidly among many companies including the fortune 500.

2. Ability to deploy servers much quicker and easier

3. No hardware support is needed on virtual machines you save money there by not paying hardware support costs on 200 servers instead you pay for the 20 beefy servers

4. Disaster recovery you can easily deploy virtual servers and their DR counterparts

And many more reasons for it that would take just to long to explain,  I would suggest you study and learn VMWare as it is growing rapidly in the computer world if you ever wanted to get an IT job.



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RE: Will This Run on 64-bit OSs? - 12/1/2007 4:39:41 AM   
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1) Who here is whining except you?  I suspect most of us find your confused ramblings more than entertaining.
2) I believe you were told quite directly what was and was not supported.
3) Clearly you have very little experience outside very small offices.  And even then nothing very advanced.  See the 4 comments above.
   (And In general, Strategy Games do not need very advanced hardware - It's the kiddie shoot'em up games that require that.  Wrong WebSite)

Of course the list could go on for miles.........

5) Extremely safe softare upgrades - If the upgrade does not go well, you are back to where you started in a click of a button.
6) Instantaneous Hardware Upgrades for 24x7x365 operations.  I can migrate a new server from an old box to a new box w/o a single second of down time.  Even streaming media will not see a hiccup as the server is moved from one box to another.
7) Even hear a Vendor say they can't dupe your issue?  Well you could mail in your hardware or just FTP it.  Today I had one customer FTP me his Windows 2003 Server having issues specific to certain Chineese Characters.  It would have taken forever to get the physical shipment.  I received it in a matter of hours instead.



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RE: Will This Run on 64-bit OSs? - 12/1/2007 6:09:08 AM   
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MMMM I feel much VMware love here.... Lets not forget though the DRS option where a server can transparently move on its own with no interruption to a server with more CPU and memory available. Sort of like an automated version of whats mentioned above.

And the upcoming Storage VMotion that lets you transfer the location of an Entire Server while its running (So move the entire contents from drive to drive or even SAN to SAN tranparently while users still access the server). New Experemental support also out soon that even monitors and recovers failed Windows VMs using the High Availability component that currently protects only the VMware servers themselves. And how about the 3i Hypervisor that can even run off a USB Key?

Like others I could go on and on.

Companies litterally mail us blank checks to implement VMware. Its one of the few IT advancements in history where the ROI works even on one or two aspects alone even if you devalue or discount the other benefits altogether. It basically sells itself.


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