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RE: Sign Here if you Want DEATH! - 5/1/2007 3:41:29 PM

misadlouhy

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i bother because i want to play the game as it is and this recovering from mortal wounds instead of dying seems fine to me

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RE: Sign Here if you Want DEATH! - 5/1/2007 8:15:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: misadlouhy

i bother because i want to play the game as it is and this recovering from mortal wounds instead of dying seems fine to me

And I bother because I want to play the game with soldiers dying, and collecting "brain pieces" to put in cloned copies does not seem fine to me. Can we agree to not agree

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RE: Sign Here if you Want DEATH! - 5/2/2007 1:40:50 AM

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I had no idea soldiers couldn't die. The game is off my list pending a patch that changes this aspect of the game. Regarding the "Rumor Control" thread - I'm skipping this title, dispite what you say. If soldiers can't die, it most certainly will not feel like X-Com.

Signed...

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RE: Sign Here if you Want DEATH! - 5/2/2007 12:37:55 PM

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After the initial reaction wore off, I'm not too bothered about the design decision as long as it works. Only time will tell on the last part, but given the success of games like JA and even Xcom games (as enjoyed by reloading people), there's obviously a market for eternal youth.

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RE: Sign Here if you Want DEATH! - 5/2/2007 11:00:10 PM

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It's not really about re-loading, for me. It's more about realism and making sense. If a rocket takes off the head of one of my soldiers and incinerates his body....how does he come back to life in 30 or 40 days later.

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RE: Sign Here if you Want DEATH! - 5/2/2007 11:07:02 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tactics

It's not really about re-loading, for me. It's more about realism and making sense. If a rocket takes off the head of one of my soldiers and incinerates his body....how does he come back to life in 30 or 40 days later.

:=) Magic!

Yeah, it irritates me too. They've made a gamey decision that I really don't agree with, and then balanced it by making another gamey decision that I don't agree with (severely limiting the number of soldiers you can have).

It's really a bummer that I didn't choose to handle this more like x-com. I liked having hordes of faceless troops, with only a few good guys that had survived and become veterans.

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RE: Sign Here if you Want DEATH! - 5/2/2007 11:18:26 PM

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If you don't like it then fairs fair. But I don't think it is right to rubbish it. Troopers can get hit by rockets, grenades, etc and survive so I do not see why if they have good head armour they can't recover some brain. Just like a black box in an aeroplane, if there is something small and valuable it can be possible to protect it even from the worst crash.

Sure there may be some death where the aliens unleash hell and keep shooting at the dead body where the brain is totally wasted. But come on this is a game not a simulator, so long as there isn't a problem with the majority of cases then it's fine by me.

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RE: Sign Here if you Want DEATH! - 5/2/2007 11:27:33 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tactics

It's not really about re-loading, for me. It's more about realism and making sense. If a rocket takes off the head of one of my soldiers and incinerates his body....how does he come back to life in 30 or 40 days later.

Bear in mind I'm not an apologist for the limited-death design decision, but the logic might be:
(a) We're talking about a sci fi setting where our side starts out more technologically advanced than in Xcom.
(b) All soldiers are fitted with black boxes/cortical stacks/insert-other-high-tech-thing-here.
(c) If you recover that device (i.e. if you win a battle), then you can download it into a cloned body.

I think they've taken the tack that there's a black box storage unit in the armour suit. You might also be able to explain the real death of tank drivers by saying that the exploding vehicle destroys any recording device (as I've read that troops driving vehicles die). That seems a little spurious to me, especially if your infantry don't suffer real death from grenade/rocket attacks, but I'm willing to suspend belief for that (solid state, extremely duarble storage etc.)

For me, the realism part hinges on how they handle (c). So if you flee a battle with unrecovered men down and it still takes them to hospital, that will grate with me. Probably won't stop me getting the game though :) .

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RE: Sign Here if you Want DEATH! - 5/3/2007 12:42:19 AM

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"For me, the realism part hinges on how they handle (c). So if you flee a battle with unrecovered men down and it still takes them to hospital, that will grate with me. Probably won't stop me getting the game though :) . "

That about sums it up for me as well.....it would be a nice touch if you needed to physically maneuver a soldier over a body, then transfer over to the inventory screen where you would need to expend AP's retreiving the brain thingy from the ground, in order to bring your trooper back for another day.....

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RE: Sign Here if you Want DEATH! - 5/3/2007 12:50:14 AM

Falesh

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From what I have read (I am sleepy so this may be inaccurate

), if you retreat then all dead soldiers are lost, if you lose then all dead soldiers are lost. The only way they can be recovered is if you win the mission, if that is the case the troops have plenty of time to go back and collect their dead.

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RE: Sign Here if you Want DEATH! - 5/3/2007 1:23:48 AM

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Yeah, that makes sense....is it Friday yet?

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RE: Sign Here if you Want DEATH! - 5/3/2007 1:26:10 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Falesh

From what I have read (I am sleepy so this may be inaccurate ), if you retreat then all dead soldiers are lost, if you lose then all dead soldiers are lost. The only way they can be recovered is if you win the mission, if that is the case the troops have plenty of time to go back and collect their dead.

I'd be happier if certain types of damage, or taking massive quantities of it, would result in permadeath due to the the 'core' being destroyed. Then, better armors could increase the threshold for perma death.

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