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There are some companies... - 3/13/2007 2:46:45 PM   
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...that people can point a finger at and say "They need sorting out".

I've just heard that Sony will be taking companies to court and prosecute them if they import PS3s and sell them on (according to Radio 1 news...not me)

The reason some British companies might want to do this, is because the imported version will have a chip on it which allows older games to be played on it, whereas the British sold version will not.

Once again, Joe Public being ripped off by companies that are too far up their own arse to see any daylight now.

Well...their PS3 can join them.

I wasn't going to get one anyway, but I'm getting to the stage where I am being pushed out of making any purchases now because of company attitudes like "We are bigger than the little people and have enough fanbois to take the hit in popularity...lets do it".

Looks like when I give up PC gaming because the copy protection software marketeers have forced me away, that I won't even be able to get a console!

As it happens, does anyone think the developers of copy protection software for PC games are in cahoots with console manufacturers?

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RE: There are some companies... - 3/13/2007 3:20:37 PM   
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I've read about that. PS3 European versions do play older games, but with software emulation. Thus performance is bit worse than other PS3 versions.

What comes to computer games, they have ALWAYS been problematic even before copy protection: does anyone remember complains like "Not enough conventional memory", "Not enough EMS memory" and the likes?

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More about copy protections: if you have problem with it and don't get service from support, look for crack (hackers do those) which removes it for good.

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RE: There are some companies... - 3/13/2007 6:45:11 PM   
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quote:

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What comes to computer games, they have ALWAYS been problematic even before copy protection: does anyone remember complains like "Not enough conventional memory", "Not enough EMS memory" and the likes?


Oh God! Boot disks all over, some game specific, some worked for many games. I can remember rejoicing many times at finally getting the start up files just right. The one I remember working the hardest on was Space Hulk. So much fun I learned a lot about computers in those days though, I will say that.

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RE: There are some companies... - 3/13/2007 8:28:40 PM   
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In those days I had an Amiga. None of this silly DOS nonsense! By the time I got a PC, Windows 95 had arrived. The Amiga was great. It lasted for absolutely ages, and the only way the developers could get better and better graphics, was to actually bother to program more efficiently - which they did - highly successfully.  If they did that now, rather than just assuming we would all to upgrade every 6 months, to compensate for their inneficient coding, our current PC's would be at the "cutting edge" for at least a few years.
OK - so I'm old. Everyone has a right to an occasional grump!

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RE: There are some companies... - 3/13/2007 9:29:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mart

OK - so I'm old. Everyone has a right to an occasional grump!



HARUMPH!!!

I still remember playing Wolfenstien on my apple IIe!

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RE: There are some companies... - 3/13/2007 9:33:57 PM   
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quote:

and the only way the developers could get better and better graphics, was to actually bother to program more efficiently - which they did - highly successfully. If they did that now, rather than just assuming we would all to upgrade every 6 months, to compensate for their inneficient coding, our current PC's would be at the "cutting edge" for at least a few years.

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bless yer soul, give em a cigar!!!! You are righter than rain...

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RE: There are some companies... - 3/13/2007 9:34:52 PM   
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remeber the old coleco vision console?!?

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RE: There are some companies... - 3/14/2007 11:25:17 AM   
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RE: There are some companies... - 3/14/2007 6:08:05 PM   
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too bad...




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RE: There are some companies... - 3/14/2007 6:13:15 PM   
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wf is that? Looks like a microwave...but I never saw one with a remote control before.....let alone 2!!

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RE: There are some companies... - 3/14/2007 6:25:58 PM   
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Wikipedia for rescue! What I have read about it (now and before), Colecovision was most advanced game console of its time and could be used to play games of some other consoles (Atari 2600 is mentioned). Never seen one myself (other than photos), but I sure would like have one. Neo Geo would be nice too.

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RE: There are some companies... - 3/14/2007 6:48:44 PM   
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quote:

As it happens, does anyone think the developers of copy protection software for PC games are in cahoots with console manufacturers?


M$ seems to be working for convergence - Dad on his PC can play junior on his Xbox - and M$ can sell two copies of the game...

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Microsoft to Open Its Online Gaming Service to Windows Users

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/14/technology/14game.html?ref=technology

By MICHEL MARRIOTT
Published: March 14, 2007
Microsoft announced yesterday that it was extending the online gaming service for its Xbox consoles to the millions of people who use Windows PCs to play games over the Internet, a move that could bolster the popularity — and profits — of video gaming.

Xbox Live, Microsoft’s online gaming network that serves some six million Xbox users, is scheduled on May 8 to open its basic and premium features to online PC gamers under the rubric of Games for Windows — Live, Microsoft executives said.

The service coincides with the much-anticipated release of a Windows Vista version of Microsoft’s best-selling combat game, Halo 2.

“The benefit of expanding Live to Games for Windows titles is twofold,” Peter Moore, corporate vice president for interactive entertainment at Microsoft, said in a statement. “We’re bringing together two communities that share a passion for playing online games, and we’re enhancing the online experience for PC gamers who have long desired seamless game and voice connectivity.”

While much of the $10 billion gaming industry has focused on next-generation game consoles like Sony’s PlayStation 3 and Nintendo’s Wii, most games are still played on personal computers, which are far more numerous than dedicated gaming machines.

But as multiplayer video gaming online grew more refined on console-only networks, some PC gamers became frustrated that they could not enjoy a similar experience, video game specialists noted.

Aaron Greenberg, group product manager for Xbox 360 and Xbox Live, said that bringing Xbox Live to the more than “200 million PC gamers out there playing on Windows PCs” was no small feat.

Part of what that would mean, Mr. Greenberg said, is that PC gamers would have a single identity online, a gamer tag that would follow them regardless of what game they were playing.

Other features would include text and voice chat, and a unified friends list and list of achievements for games whether they are played on the Xbox 360 or a Windows-based PC. The expanded service, which will have basic and premium tiers, will not work for games intended to play on Macintosh computers, he said.

Ross Rubin, the director of industry analysis for the NPD Group, noted that Microsoft’s inclusion of PC game players into its online network was part of a broader initiative announced last year to bridge gaming platforms — first console and PC, and eventually cellphone.

One benefit of permitting Xbox and PC gamers to play over the same network is that it revitalizes the focus of game developers on Windows. This comes at a time when Intel’s new class of multicore microprocessors, as well as expanded graphics capabilities from companies like Nvidia and Microsoft’s Vista operating system, are enhancing the play of video games on personal computers.

And some gamers prefer PC gaming because of the depth and control they say they have when using a mouse and keyboard instead of a game pad.

In some cases, Mr. Rubin said, unifying online gaming could let developers sell two versions of the game to the same person so the player could experience it on the console and PC.

“It allows them to leverage the tremendous investment — billions of dollars — it has made in the past few years in creating and refining and upgrading Xbox Live,” Mr. Rubin said of Microsoft’s move. “It offers it to a new group of users. It bridges that gap that exists between sometimes totally different kinds of gamers,” who also approach video gaming in radically different ways.

In fact, in June a new game, Shadowrun, is expected to be released and is designed to permit, for the first time, Windows gamers to connect with Xbox 360 users in cross-platform matches, said Kevin Unangst, director of global marketing for Games for Windows. Later this year, he said, another game, UNO, would also be available for similar Xbox 360 and PC play.

He said the basic level of the expanded service, known as a silver membership, was free. A gold membership, required for multiplatform gaming among other advanced features, would cost $50 a year, the same as current Xbox Live gold memberships, which automatically have access to the Windows expansion.

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RE: There are some companies... - 3/14/2007 7:08:32 PM   
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Microsoft is still under CSLF embargo.  Since we are angry w/ them for nixing aoe2 

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RE: There are some companies... - 3/14/2007 10:32:05 PM   
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While much of the $10 billion gaming industry has focused on next-generation game consoles like Sony’s PlayStation 3 and Nintendo’s Wii, most games are still played on personal computers, which are far more numerous than dedicated gaming machines.

Ha! I knew it! Computer game industry rocks hard! Sorry Matrix, it seems bigger guys are going to stick with computer games much longer than JudgeDread above lets believe.


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But as multiplayer video gaming online grew more refined on console-only networks, some PC gamers became frustrated that they could not enjoy a similar experience, video game specialists noted.
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Part of what that would mean, Mr. Greenberg said, is that PC gamers would have a single identity online, a gamer tag that would follow them regardless of what game they were playing.

Oh please! That is plain marketing bullshit for people who don't know about GameSpy Arcade, Microsoft Gaming Zone and rest of lot!

Anyways cross-play between PC and Xbox deserves point, though it's not new thing really: there are games which can be played between different computers, like PC and Macintosh. Game between PC and Xbox isn't much more different.

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