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Bob - 1/19/2007 10:55:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is ...my dear friends...the discussion thread of the ....Thread vs Thread 3x3 game............all who are interested are welcome.......this is to keep the Thread Holy....and clean from day to day gaming business.......

So It is CHS extended map Nik mod russian fleet kind of game............PDUs on....what else?
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RE: Bob - 1/19/2007 11:02:21 PM   
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Supper is ready now....back in a bit.......

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RE: Bob - 1/19/2007 11:46:01 PM   
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RE: Bob - 1/19/2007 11:51:03 PM   
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RE: Bob - 1/19/2007 11:59:09 PM   
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RE: Bob - 1/20/2007 12:01:01 AM   
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Hi bob.

Now if IIRC from my university days....we should all have a drink...............

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RE: Bob - 1/20/2007 12:03:00 AM   
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Hi bob.

Now if IIRC from my university days....we should all have a drink...............



Faber is dating himself again.

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RE: Bob - 1/20/2007 12:03:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		First. i'd like to say i am deeply honored that you named this thread for me...

Second, being the contrarian that i am, i will vote NO on the sub commando rule. If it was good enough for the Marauders, it's good enough for me. Also, it keeps folks honest: in truth, IRL bases and places you want to hold should be manned, and if they are not, then someone just might land a sub party and seize it.


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RE: Bob - 1/20/2007 12:08:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		OK - how about the rules i proposed earlier:

1. PT rule (no more than 12)

An alternate rule would be that Allied PTs have to spawned in Pearl, West Coast, Panama or Aden and sail to wherever you want - that way you can have as many as you want - if you can get them there...

2. Night bombing rule - this was a request from my IJN foe - i am happy to forgo it.

3. Bombardment rule - only in support of troops or for upcoming landings. Note: it would NOT prevent bombardments like those at Guadalcanal (since there were IJA/IJN troops there - and spotting for the ships.)


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RE: Bob - 1/20/2007 12:08:57 AM   
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Hi bob.


Hello...

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RE: Bob - 1/20/2007 12:09:06 AM   
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RE: Bob - 1/20/2007 12:10:20 AM   
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OK - how about the rules i proposed earlier:

1. PT rule (no more than 12)

An alternate rule would be that Allied PTs have to spawned in Pearl, West Coast, Panama or Aden and sail to wherever you want - that way you can have as many as you want - if you can get them there...

2. Night bombing rule - this was a request from my IJN foe - i am happy to forgo it.

3. Bombardment rule - only in support of troops or for upcoming landings. Note: it would NOT prevent bombardments like those at Guadalcanal (since there were IJA/IJN troops there - and spotting for the ships.)



Agree...............

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RE: Bob - 1/20/2007 12:14:24 AM   
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A good house rule...I think....asked for by Onime in my game with him....was the troops only move in APs....rule......exceptions being Arty/Tank units....and after mid '44 when the japs may only have a couple of garbage scows left.........It did slow down my advance.....and had a whiff of history about it......but we only played 5 months.....so I don't know it's long term effect....also...not sure about how it would work in CHS............

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RE: Bob - 1/20/2007 12:18:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		OK - voting to date (subject to mood swings and excessive alcohol consumption):

1. Sub Commando Raids Allowed?
Faber - YES
Niceguy - NO
Speedy - NO
Bruce - YES
Mike - ?
RT - YES

2. PT Rule (no more than 12/hex)
Faber - YES
Niceguy - YES?
Speedy - YES
Bruce - YES - but prefers alternate rule
Mike - ?
RT - YES

3, Night Bombing Rule (CITY bombing allowed, other (stationary) targets - UNLIMITED night trained units, and up to 24 non-night-trained aircraft (trying to adjust to this number)
Faber - YES
Niceguy - YES
Speedy - ?
Bruce - YES
Mike - ?
RT - YES

4. Naval Bombardment - only if your troops in hex, or if in preparation for a landing.
Faber - YES
Niceguy - NO
Speedy - YES, but... how far in advance prior to landing?
Bruce - ?
Mike - ?
RT - YES

5. AKs not allowed to move troops (except as Last Gasp)
Faber - YES
Niceguy - ?
Speedy - NO - not doable in 44...
Bruce - YES, but Allied evac allowed.
Mike - ?
RT - YES, but Allied evac allowed.

6. Units Limited to HQ Area
Faber - ?
Niceguy - YES, except on defence
Speedy - ?
Bruce - ?
Mike - YES
RT - YES, except on defence


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RE: Bob - 1/20/2007 12:20:42 AM   
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RE: Bob - 1/20/2007 12:20:48 AM   
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Ooops...I'm still awake........

A good house rule...I think....asked for by Onime in my game with him....was the troops only move in APs....rule......exceptions being Arty/Tank units....and after mid '44 when the japs may only have a couple of garbage scows left.........It did slow down my advance.....and had a whiff of history about it......but we only played 5 months.....so I don't know it's long term effect....also...not sure about how it would work in CHS............


Well, there are also LSTs, LSMs, and other invasion type craft that should be allowed to move troops... also, this might depend on the outcome of the sub rule (i still have my fingers crossed...) - but otherwise this is OK with me.

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RE: Bob - 1/20/2007 12:22:20 AM   
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RE: Bob - 1/20/2007 12:22:44 AM   
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Ooops...I'm still awake........

A good house rule...I think....asked for by Onime in my game with him....was the troops only move in APs....rule......exceptions being Arty/Tank units....and after mid '44 when the japs may only have a couple of garbage scows left.........It did slow down my advance.....and had a whiff of history about it......but we only played 5 months.....so I don't know it's long term effect....also...not sure about how it would work in CHS............


Well, there are also LSTs, LSMs, and other invasion type craft that should be allowed to move troops... also, this might depend on the outcome of the sub rule (i still have my fingers crossed...) - but otherwise this is OK with me.

OOOooops sorry...yes.....all troop carriers designed to be such count as APs....as do subs.........

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RE: Bob - 1/20/2007 12:27:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm stealing Bob's post and numbering them for reference

1. Sub Commando Raids Allowed?
Faber - ?
Niceguy - ?
Speedy - NO
Bruce - NO
Mike - ?
RT - YES

2. PT Rule (no more than 12/hex)
Faber - YES
Niceguy - ?
Speedy - ?
Bruce - ?
Mike - ?
RT - YES

3. Night Bombing Rule (CITY bombing allowed, other (stationary) targets - UNLIMITED night trained units, and up to 24 non-night-trained aircraft (trying to adjust to this number)
Faber - YES
Niceguy - ?
Speedy - ?
Bruce - ?
Mike - ?
RT - YES

4. Naval Bombardment - only if your troops in hex, or if in preparation for a landing.
Faber - YES
Niceguy - ?
Speedy - ?
Bruce - ?
Mike - ?
RT - YES

My votes are (at my level of understanding of CHS)
1. No 3. Yes (though I don't really understand this) 4. No
2. I find 12 PT boats TFs a bit unrealistic and I prefer 6 boats TFs, but could allow 2 per hex. THat is what I propose, but would vote yes on 2 versus no rule at all.

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RE: Bob - 1/20/2007 12:27:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		OK - i've added the proposed HQ restriction rule. i've put down votes as i remember or grasped them - let me know if i am incorrect. There were a couple of rules proposed that i don't recall at the moment.

I'll restate Faber's AP/AK rule as AKs not allowed to carry troops except as last gasp...

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RE: Bob - 1/20/2007 12:29:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can live with AP thing, and sub commando raids - no Problem here.

Allies should be able to evak units in AK if neccessary (use anything available)

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RE: Bob - 1/20/2007 12:29:38 AM   
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Ooops...I'm still awake........

A good house rule...I think....asked for by Onime in my game with him....was the troops only move in APs....rule......exceptions being Arty/Tank units....and after mid '44 when the japs may only have a couple of garbage scows left.........It did slow down my advance.....and had a whiff of history about it......but we only played 5 months.....so I don't know it's long term effect....also...not sure about how it would work in CHS............


Well, there are also LSTs, LSMs, and other invasion type craft that should be allowed to move troops... also, this might depend on the outcome of the sub rule (i still have my fingers crossed...) - but otherwise this is OK with me.

OOOooops sorry...yes.....all troop carriers designed to be such count as APs....as do subs.........

SO the allies could not move troops from SF to PH by AK? What about evacuating troops from a doomed command says the guy in charge of USAFE. Would I have to sail an AP to manilla?

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RE: Bob - 1/20/2007 12:31:26 AM   
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As a guy playing allies against T, I think maybe AKs could move troops from west coat to Pearl but no farther.

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RE: Bob - 1/20/2007 12:33:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you can get PTs from west coast maybe you should use them how you want. If they are created in some backwater hex, there use should be limited. This beehoves you to keep track of point of origin.

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RE: Bob - 1/20/2007 12:34:58 AM   
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RE: Bob - 1/20/2007 12:39:22 AM   
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2. PT Rule = YES

3. Night Bombing Rule = YES

4. Naval Bombardment - OK with this BUT how do you define in preparation for a landing? A month in advance by Allies is not crazy if invading an atoll with billions of enemy on it (ask Faber)

5. I'm not sure this is workable as Allies. At least in stock. Have you guys seen 44 as the Allies? If you don't use AK's you can't move even 1/3 of your LCU's and it would be VERY hard to invade some festung's if you only have 1/3 of your troops on hand. Unless we're having a base limit for troops/atoll limit for troops?

6. Yes except on defence.



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RE: Bob - 1/20/2007 12:40:22 AM   
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I can live with AP thing, and sub commando raids - no Problem here.

Allies should be able to evak units in AK if neccessary (use anything available)


Good thought - i've modified my vote accordingly...

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RE: Bob - 1/20/2007 12:46:07 AM   
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Good idea guys.

2. PT Rule = YES

3. Night Bombing Rule = YES

4. Naval Bombardment - OK with this BUT how do you define in preparation for a landing? A month in advance by Allies is not crazy if invading an atoll with billions of enemy on it (ask Faber)

5. I'm not sure this is workable as Allies. At least in stock. Have you guys seen 44 as the Allies? If you don't use AK's you can't move even 1/3 of your LCU's and it would be VERY hard to invade some festung's if you only have 1/3 of your troops on hand. Unless we're having a base limit for troops/atoll limit for troops?

6. Yes except on defence.




Perhaps rule #5 could expire on June 1, 1944... that could cover "Last Gasp" as well...

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RE: Bob - 1/20/2007 12:46:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		For sake of concensus, I am okay (really) with PT rule. I was not hard over either way so yes.


Also going to dinner soon so will be off for a few hours.

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RE: Bob - 1/20/2007 12:48:39 AM   
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For sake of concensus, I am okay (really) with PT rule. I was not hard over either way so yes.


Also going to dinner soon so will be off for a few hours.


Bon apetit!!

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