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OT: You talk about nepotisim........ - 7/10/2006 4:26:27 PM   
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WARSAW, Poland (AP) - President Lech Kaczynski appointed his identical twin brother Jaroslaw as the new prime minister, the presidential Web site said. Prime Minister Kazimierz Marcinkiewicz and his government formally resigned earlier in the day, paving the way for Jaroslaw Kaczynski to form a new government.



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RE: OT: You talk about nepotisim........ - 7/10/2006 4:30:39 PM   
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RE: OT: You talk about nepotisim........ - 7/10/2006 4:32:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Come on those morons were elected becouse they convinced stupid ill educated people that they are poor becouse some one is stealing from them or other B***S**T i hate those guy's if some one gives me a good Sniper Rifle i will shoot them for good of ouer Party those guy's National-Socialists like a guy called Hitler was...

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RE: OT: You talk about nepotisim........ - 7/10/2006 6:54:38 PM   
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RE: OT: You talk about nepotisim........ - 7/10/2006 7:14:39 PM   
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RE: OT: You talk about nepotisim........ - 7/10/2006 7:14:44 PM   
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Come on those morons were elected becouse they convinced stupid ill educated people that they are poor becouse some one is stealing from them or other B***S**T i hate those guy's if some one gives me a good Sniper Rifle i will shoot them for good of ouer Party those guy's National-Socialists like a guy called Hitler was...

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RE: OT: You talk about nepotisim........ - 7/10/2006 8:20:34 PM   
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Although the nepotism thing is pretty bad. Mexico. The Bush supporting fasists 'won' the election. Nice that the vote counting software was written and provided by the new presidents brother in law!

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RE: OT: You talk about nepotisim........ - 7/10/2006 8:25:47 PM   
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RE: OT: You talk about nepotisim........ - 7/10/2006 8:50:30 PM   
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RE: OT: You talk about nepotisim........ - 7/10/2006 8:57:39 PM   
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tic-tac, tic-tac, Vic is coming....


We must bet on how soon he will come....

I say within 24 hours.......

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RE: OT: You talk about nepotisim........ - 7/10/2006 9:15:43 PM   
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RE: OT: You talk about nepotisim........ - 7/10/2006 10:39:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually I wholly disagree... Jarosław Kaczyński is the leader of party, and he has much stronger personality than his brother Lech. Jarosław is the leader, and President Lech Kaczyński is in shadow of his brother.

PS. [a joke] Poland is the only country which have a backup copy of her president.

PS. They first appeared in 1962 in film "O dwóch takich co ukradli księżyc" ("The Two Who Stole the Moon")
Trivia: Which one will became President, and which one became a Prime Minister?



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RE: OT: You talk about nepotisim........ - 7/10/2006 10:46:46 PM   
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RE: OT: You talk about nepotisim........ - 7/10/2006 10:53:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		unfortunately Przemcio's feeling are not unjusticed
they won elections by promising things that can't be done and they are strongly backward looking with no idea where to lead country :-(
they are leaders of Prawo i Sprawiedliwość ( PiS) what is translated into Law and Justice
but their program is from Populism and Socialism also PiS
too long to write about but next 4 years will not brings as as close to EU standards as I thought

people elected peoples who promised them most - i can sadly write about that


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RE: OT: You talk about nepotisim........ - 7/10/2006 10:54:30 PM   
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Prz...talk like that in the US would have the Secret Service knocking at your door.


no no no we all think about US as last really free country in the world when it comes to free speach

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RE: OT: You talk about nepotisim........ - 7/10/2006 11:06:33 PM   
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but their program is from Populism and Socialism

That is not the problem. They won the elections because they had NOT planned to take from poor and give to rich like their opponents from PO (Platforma Obywatelska - Citizen's Platform).

The biggest problem is that they are representing catholic-right-wing.



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RE: OT: You talk about nepotisim........ - 7/10/2006 11:12:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		....and we don't have anything else like right- catholic wing
even post comunists are church positive
+ there is no liberal party in Poland (PO is just in centrum )
funny political enviroment
all fight by showing their piety and good will to help poorest by taking from 5% middle class


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RE: OT: You talk about nepotisim........ - 7/10/2006 11:41:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		All problems are that in Poland there is no middle class. Some are enormously rich, rest are poor.

The funniest thing in Poland is that there is no left-wing. Even SLD (Sojusz Lewicy Demokratycznej - Alliance of Democratic Left - with main member of alliance SdRP as inheritant of Polish United Workers Party, ie. Communists) is acting as a liberal center.

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RE: OT: You talk about nepotisim........ - 7/10/2006 11:53:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well in Poland we do not have left or right becouse every one is licking Catholic Church A** this is humiliating... well i would love to live in a normal country when you are not robbed by the State with gives your money to some drunkers or uneducated morons having 6 - 7 children!!! I say if some one is dumb enogh to have children when unemployed that is his problem ...

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RE: OT: You talk about nepotisim........ - 7/10/2006 11:53:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		95% in 1st tax bracket - to poor to be in middle class
4% in second tax bracket- this is real middle class but not really up to european standards - inly in polish one
1% in third tax bracket - net society sponsors considering their contribution to the system and what they take from it

there is left wing - SLD is no center party and it have never been as well as PO is not liberal
there is nothing on liberal wing since UPR times
sorry Monter but I see it this way - i'm in upper tax bracket and don't feel rich :-)




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RE: OT: You talk about nepotisim........ - 7/11/2006 12:01:14 AM   
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Very interesting! It's fascinating to eavesdrop on other discussing their own politics, especially since it would normally be in Polish and I wouldn't have a clue what is being said.

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RE: OT: You talk about nepotisim........ - 7/11/2006 12:06:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		we can give you more you can stand about our political situation
<joke>there is a rule that if you find 2 Polish you can get 3 parties with them

many peoples are really frustrated Mynok
especially if you see government doing nothing in economy even if 9 months passed since elections  , beside giving social transfers  when budget is on high deficit

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RE: OT: You talk about nepotisim........ - 7/11/2006 12:07:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeach the funny thing is that most of those Extreme Right Politics like LPR , PiS are telling the society that Poland is a besieged country and every one wants to steal from us and if any one try to do something that the Church don't like they scream that the times of the PRL are back or something...

And the truth is like this that the only one stealing around is Catholic Church and some Politicians's...

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RE: OT: You talk about nepotisim........ - 7/11/2006 12:11:58 AM   
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we can give you more you can stand about our political situation
<joke>there is a rule that if you find 2 Polish you can get 3 parties with them

many peoples are really frustrated Mynok
especially if you see government doing nothing in economy even if 9 months passed since elections , beside giving social transfers when budget is on high deficit



Believe it or not, many, many are frustrated here in the US as well. We see megacorps buying off the political parties and no other parties can get on the ballot with any regularity thanks to the Big 2's control of the ballot entrance requirements. I won't even vote for a Democrat or Republican, which means I haven't voted in years.

And now perhaps we have put the final nail in this thread's coffin!

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RE: OT: You talk about nepotisim........ - 7/11/2006 12:15:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Przemcio I don't really care about ideology / religion
if sb's faith is strong he can spend his time and wealth this way
i'm interested in strong cabinet with professionals supporting it in parliament
Goverment able to solve main economical problems and give good conditions for country in long run
hunting ex communists 16 years after its fall is not main polish problem i recognize as they are not a threat to the democratic system. I'd like to see economy expanding with fiscal policy easing as it is only way to lower unemployment and make people satisfied

i hate when sb loose time of electors and solve only popularity problems ( buying certain social groups with state money) and it is problem in last 8-10 years and escalates

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RE: OT: You talk about nepotisim........ - 7/11/2006 12:21:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well your right sneer i don't care if some one is Catholic , Protestant , Jew or Muslim that is his choice and his life but i care when state gives money to teach religion in public shools , when state gives money to build churches , when state gives the church land for free , or when hides crimes of priests before public!!!  

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RE: OT: You talk about nepotisim........ - 7/11/2006 12:40:47 AM   
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Very interesting! It's fascinating to eavesdrop on other discussing their own politics, especially since it would normally be in Polish and I wouldn't have a clue what is being said.



So true Mynok. So true

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RE: OT: You talk about nepotisim........ - 7/11/2006 12:49:44 AM   
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Very interesting! It's fascinating to eavesdrop on other discussing their own politics, especially since it would normally be in Polish and I wouldn't have a clue what is being said.



So true Mynok. So true


for outsiders yes ... but when you are close ... it is not funny
sometimes me and my friends think about living in another country
quite a lot of Polish decided to work abroad - 5% of whole population in 2 years - maybe even up to 10% of all workforce
many of them will not return as there is little incentive and they are often educated and easily adapting , something that is really needed in our country otherwise each new government will be worse
as rest of us will have to pay for strange ideas

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RE: OT: You talk about nepotisim........ - 7/11/2006 8:20:39 AM   
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RE: OT: You talk about nepotisim........ - 7/11/2006 10:45:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sneer
there is left wing - SLD is no center party and it have never been as well as PO is not liberal
there is nothing on liberal wing since UPR times
sorry Monter but I see it this way - i'm in upper tax bracket and don't feel rich :-)


It is obvious that SLD cannot be left-wing because it does not make any attempt to behave like true left-wing party. Only left-wing party in poland was named as I remember Unia Lewicy or something, now is Racja Polskiej Lewicy.

My personal feeling is at first let the poor eat, only after that let richer buy yachts..

Also main problem of Polish political scene, that despite different parties, ruling politicians are the same. Politicians often changing parties is nothing unusual in Poland. So is the reason that programmes are virtually the same.
We can choose betwen many center and not liberal not conservative parties.

Sneer, you are from Poland?


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