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Who wants to fly this - 4/20/2006 5:06:12 PM   
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RE: Who wants to fly this - 4/20/2006 5:32:27 PM   
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what no takers ?

if I not mistaken, that is the plane that got the first GB air kill of the war !

knocked down a Ju 88, odd part is the Ju 88 was faster :)

oh well

well then how about this






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RE: Who wants to fly this - 4/20/2006 9:07:48 PM   
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Where's the T-Bolt? When you absolutely have to take something to take into combat, and can be sure to make it home!

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RE: Who wants to fly this - 4/20/2006 9:10:19 PM   
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I not got a view of one of those yet :)



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RE: Who wants to fly this - 4/20/2006 10:51:11 PM   
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I think you may be wrong. That aircraft is Blacburn Roc which is a turret fighter version of the Blackburn Skua - a sort of naval rival to the Boulton Paul Defiant, but a lot slower.

I think the first kill might have been by a Blackburn Skua, which was primarily a dive bomber but was also used as a fighter at times. The irony is that the Skua was about 20mph faster than the Roc

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RE: Who wants to fly this - 4/20/2006 11:12:17 PM   
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Yeah, the Skua got the first confirmed FAA kill of the war.

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RE: Who wants to fly this - 4/21/2006 4:23:36 AM   
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Sorry Had it backwards

but still, both are butt ugly, and slower then the planes they were facing :)



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RE: Who wants to fly this - 4/22/2006 7:59:43 PM   
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more planes, only a mother could love




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RE: Who wants to fly this - 4/23/2006 3:56:30 PM   
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Nah - you haven't even got close to ugly yet...Hampden, Whitley are both not pretty, and if you go beyond BTR, try the Boulton Paul Overstrand (left service 1940-1 so almost counts!). But my personal favourite - the Baracuda.

Of course, some of the interwar flying boats...

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RE: Who wants to fly this - 4/25/2006 2:10:09 PM   
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RE: Who wants to fly this - 4/25/2006 3:14:52 PM   
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Aren't they pretty

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RE: Who wants to fly this - 4/26/2006 1:54:10 AM   
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Give me the Westland Whirlwind II anyday!

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RE: Who wants to fly this - 4/26/2006 4:56:27 AM   
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I confused
I only got a Mk1 and a Mk1a

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RE: Who wants to fly this - 4/26/2006 8:58:59 PM   
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now here is a pretty one






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RE: Who wants to fly this - 4/26/2006 9:07:23 PM   
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of course, some people have no taste




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RE: Who wants to fly this - 4/26/2006 9:09:20 PM   
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of course, some people like to use skill when they fly




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RE: Who wants to fly this - 4/26/2006 10:27:42 PM   
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Of course, some people should get around to releasing these games toute suite!

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RE: Who wants to fly this - 4/26/2006 11:01:12 PM   
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I just bought BII to keep me busy while I wait !!!!

Come on guys hurry up !!!!

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RE: Who wants to fly this - 4/26/2006 11:49:13 PM   
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The Westland Whrilwind MkII

In December 1940 production of the Peregrine engine was due to be stopped!
By January 1941 Westland had done some redesign work to allow 2 x Merlin 20 Engines to be fitted to the airframe.

These would of given the aircraft Outstanding Performance. The estimates for this performance are as Follows:-
Top speed 410mph
Service Ceiling 37,000ft
Range 800miles

Given that the modifactions to fit merlin 20 engines were mainly to sort out undercarriage retraction problems it appears this Version could well of been in service mid to late 1941!

How well would they done flying against the Fw 190 is hard to say but it would of being intresting.

There was even talk of a Whirlwind with an American Engine (Alison Engine?)

As it was the Westland Whirlwind II never went into Production The powers that be felt that the new Hawker Fighter with six 20mm Cannon and a single engine was a better bet.

The Name of this Great Hawker Fighter was the Typhoon and it never did fly with six cannons.

Most of this information was taken from The Westland Whirlwind Fighter by Victor Bingham.

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RE: Who wants to fly this - 4/27/2006 5:42:49 AM   
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Okay, I follow now

I had the figher model and the fighter bomber model, that is why I was confused by the Mk II

another one that got to make you shake your head, was the P-38 with merlins, the test model was great, and it was figured out it would take about 2 weeks to reset the production lines, the higher ups figured they needed the 2 weeks production more then they needed a better plane type !



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RE: Who wants to fly this - 4/27/2006 5:52:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Terminus

Of course, some people should get around to releasing these game toute suite!


ahh come on guys, not fair

not sure anyone knows how much work this really is

which I think we are closer then we had hoped, but we not ready yet

I would say though, that I work my normal job, and that is close to 7 days a week, I work on the game more then I go to work

we getting there :)



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RE: Who wants to fly this - 4/27/2006 9:38:54 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

ahh come on guys, not fair

not sure anyone knows how much work this really is

which I think we are closer then we had hoped, but we not ready yet

I would say though, that I work my normal job, and that is close to 7 days a week, I work on the game more then I go to work

we getting there :)



For what it's worth, I know exactly how much work this is, having beta'ed WPO. I was mostly pulling on your leg... Mostly...

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RE: Who wants to fly this - 4/27/2006 9:40:26 PM   
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One thing, though, could we pretty please not have any plane sides with the undercarriage down in the game? Aside from the Stuka and the Gladiator, they look like warmed-over cr*p...

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RE: Who wants to fly this - 4/28/2006 12:47:18 AM   
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T........can it.....we'll get it ready when it is....you have SP turns to do for me first anyhow

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RE: Who wants to fly this - 4/28/2006 1:52:16 AM   
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Don't make me trot out my Cossacks, silly person from Reading...

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RE: Who wants to fly this - 4/28/2006 7:39:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

Yuck








Here’s an extract from a book about the Defiant and the Roc called ‘The Turret Fighters’ by Alec Brew, published by Crowood. The Roc saw almost no action, but here is one of the few examples of when it did:

“A well known engagement involved a 2 AACU (Anti-Aircraft Co-operation Unit) ROC, L3085, and Plt Off D. H. Clarke, who had painted a red ‘Saint’ (the Leslie Charteris character) in a red-framed yellow diamond on each side of the rear fuselage of his ‘own’ Roc. On 26 September 1940 he was sent out to search for survivors in the water 15 miles (24 km) south-west of St Catherines Point. With Sergeant Hunt in the gun turret – which, unusually for 2 AACU Rocs, was fully armed – he took off in the late afternoon. As he instituted a square search in the area indicated, he noticed what he thought was a Swordfish also searching about 3 miles (5 km) away.

After about 45 minutes of fruitless search in the gathering gloom, he suddenly noticed that the Swordfish, now only half a mile away, was in fact a twin engined floatplane. Out of curiosity, wondering what it was, he flew towards it: and then suddenly realised it was a Heinkel He 59, a German aircraft probably on the same air-sea rescue task as himself. Unsure as to whether he should open fire on an aircraft on such a humanitarian mission, he flew across its nose with Hunt training his turret at it.

As he did so the German nose gunner opened fire with his 7.9mm machine gun, and Hunt returned fire, his tracer pouring into the Heinkel’s fuselage. After the pandemonium and shock of his first action, Clarke swung on to a parallel course, and re-established communication with Hunt , whose intercom lead had been pulled out. The Heinkel turned for France, skimming the waves. Happily the twin engined bi-plane was even slower than the Roc, with a top speed at sea level of only 137 mph (220 kph), and Clarke was able to gain on his adversary; although he was still faced with the prospect of having to drop a wing to enable Hunt to open fire, even though his propeller was skimming the wave tops.

At 300 yards range he dropped a wing, and Hunt opened fire with another broadside. The Heinkel replied from all three gun positions, nose, dorsal and ventral, a single machine gun in each, but Clarke had to lift the wing after only a few seconds to avoid side-slipping into the sea, causing the last few rounds of Hunt’s burst to shoot harmlessly up into the air. The two aircraft continued these brief exchanges of fire for about 25 minutes, until the coast of France was looming up. Both aircraft were hit, and one of the Heinkel’s gunners stopped firing; but just as Clarke was about to turn away, the Roc was hit in the engine.

It faltered, and Clarke switched to the reserve 17 gal (77 ltr) tank, pulling up and away. Just as he thought he might have to ditch, the Perseus picked up, and he nursed the damaged aircraft back to Gosport. But before he could taxi in the engine stopped, out of fuel. Clarke claimed the Heinkel as ‘Damaged’.

On his return his groundcrew found two incendiary bullets in the main fuel tank, above which he sat. They had entered low down in the petrol, which had extinguished them; slightly higher, in the explosive fuel/air mixture above, and the Roc would have been ‘missing in action’. This action was almost certainly the nearest the Blackburn Roc ever came to destroying a German aircraft in combat”.


It is comforting to know that if the Germans had ever tried a massive low-level attack on Great Britain using twin engined float bi-planes, the Roc was there, ready and waiting to see them off.


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RE: Who wants to fly this - 6/3/2006 12:24:00 AM   
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If you want a fighter even slower than the normal Roc, try the thrid prototype which was fitted with twin floats!

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RE: Who wants to fly this - 6/30/2006 1:39:12 AM   
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I want to fly Do335. I got to see one restored Do335. Sweet as all get out. Damn nice plane.

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RE: Who wants to fly this - 6/30/2006 3:45:07 AM   
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is it actually operational??

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RE: Who wants to fly this - 9/25/2006 12:00:23 AM   
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