From: Old Los Angeles
ORIGINAL: Big B
. It's the argument that's a loser
Well here's the argument.
1.) The zero bonus has a very minor effect on actual play. As documented by many who have posted their loss results.
The argument from me is: the Zero bonus is a bad idea because it has no basis in fact.
Also, it has never been reasonably demonstrated exactly what effect the Zero Bonus has on play. It is still a phony artifact, however, no matter how that shakes out.
Earlier in this thread I posted the results of 5 tests I ran to investigate the Zero Bonus, Each test wass arranged for a series of CAP vs Sweep air combats (pure fighter vs fighter) at as close to 1:1 odds as the game can be relied on to pruduce - for the purpose of compiling the results of alot of pure evenly balanced air combat (enough to get a reasonable sample) Turns out that about 8000 combat sorties gave a consistant 3:1 kill ratio favoring the Zero over the P40E and F4F4 (all squadrons had Default exp ratings - USAAF about 55, USMC 65, USN 75, IJN 75 -80) over each series of encounters - that is the total at the end of each of the 5 tests.
Anyhow the last test was without the ZB and the Japanese total of kills over us a/c remained the same - but the Zeros took about 16% - 17% higher losses, a drop in the kill rate from about 3:1 to about 2.5:1
So the ZB at full strength seems to save the Japanese player about 15% on his loss rate.
I read that, and thank you very much for going to the effort. But I'm still not confident that's where Gary pegged it. (Which is not a criticism of your test, just nagging doubt on my end.)
Let's say, though, for the sake of argument, that a 115% "defensive shield" is what Gary had in mind for the ZB. If so, then there right away we have a bogus 15% advantage for the Japanese player over the Allied player in Zero frays through May of 1942, a bonus which is not supported by fact.
If you get the inkling, you might try the Zero in an intercept role against various Allied bombers, with and without the ZB, and see how that plays out. It wouldn't surprise me at all if those results did not follow suit, but who knows?
TJ, Mdiehl, Ron, and others,
I'm not exactly happy with the ZB, But what impressed me, as I siad earlier, is after testing - the appearant effects of the ZB seems inconsequential compared to the effects of the advantage in exp level the Japanese enjoy.
I don't know if that is historically accurate or not (I suspect it's not - but I'll have to research that carefully).
But from the POV of an Allied player, I'd give them the ZB and extend it to the Oscar as well - and do it happily - in exchange for readjusting their starting exp ratings..
< Message edited by Big B -- 12/22/2005 5:36:55 AM >