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rogo727 -> Favorite American civil war movie and why? (4/24/2013 1:53:08 AM)

Mine is Andersonvie. To me this is what the American spirit is all about. I also like Gettysburg and red badge of courage. And I ask any American who wouldn't pick up that flag?




KG Erwin -> RE: Favorite American civil war movie and why? (4/24/2013 4:02:21 AM)

I like both Gettysburg and its prequel, Gods and Generals. Glory is an excellent film, too. Good Civil War era movies are hard to find, as there are very few which deal with the conflict itself. Most of them, like Gone With the Wind, have the war as a backdrop.

Overall, my favorite is Gettysburg, simply because it focuses on the characters and the battle itself. There are no civilian side stories to detract from the main theme.




Erik Rutins -> RE: Favorite American civil war movie and why? (4/24/2013 4:24:44 AM)

The General. [;)]




SLAAKMAN -> RE: Favorite American civil war movie and why? (4/24/2013 5:22:01 AM)

Shenandoah

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GJK -> RE: Favorite American civil war movie and why? (4/24/2013 11:43:08 AM)

Glorty. Great acting, great story, great combat scenes. "Wha'd ya gonna do Snowflake?".

I'll be in the minority on this one, but Gettysburg was "ok". Horrible acting (sorry, but the extras/re-enactors are caught looking at the camera and at each other blankedly so often it's a wonder the editor didn't get sacked), too long (instant fast-forward when someone starts into their long rant on this or that and everyone else just stands around and nods...filled with the soapy background music), horrible selection for Lee. Enough said.

I think Gods and Generals was better than Gettysburg but it still suffers from some of the same issues that Gettysburg had, mainly the bad acting.

I'd rather watch documentaries about the ACW. Put on Ken Burns' Civil War and I'll sit for hours watching episode after episode.

Also a nod to The Outlaw Josey Wales and The Good, the Bad, the Ugly. Though not movies about the ACW, they take place during the war and have more than just passing references to it.




doomtrader -> RE: Favorite American civil war movie and why? (4/24/2013 11:57:14 AM)

North and South




Yogi the Great -> RE: Favorite American civil war movie and why? (4/24/2013 12:52:04 PM)

Gettysburg not just a favorite Civil War Movie but one of my favorite movies period.

Killer Angels was perhaps my favorite book. Recently I got the Gettysburg Blu-Ray version with the added scenes. I recommend that to everyone, it fills in some of the holes from the original release.




Sarge -> RE: Favorite American civil war movie and why? (4/24/2013 12:53:39 PM)

Wicked Spring , watch the youtube video/link below and it will answer why

http://youtu.be/n5ooBiCLlqA




RockKahn -> RE: Favorite American civil war movie and why? (4/24/2013 1:15:55 PM)

The Horse Soldiers with John Wayne and William Holden.

Why? Other than John Wayne being in it, it's the movie that got me interested in war movies, and shortly after that, war games.

In the early 60s an American Civil War strategy game was included in an issue of Life magazine (I believe it was a hundredth anniversary 1961 issue). I'd seen The Horse Soldiers movie not too long before that, so I pulled out the map and rules, and cut out the pieces. That's where my attraction to war gaming started.




VPaulus -> RE: Favorite American civil war movie and why? (4/24/2013 1:18:57 PM)

"The Red Badge of Courage"

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Does anybody know what happened to the third part of "Gettysburg" and "Gods and Generals"? Was it cancelled?




shunwick -> RE: Favorite American civil war movie and why? (4/24/2013 1:35:38 PM)

Well, not about the American Civil War exactly but using the ACW as a backdrop i give you - The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.

Best wishes,
Steve




Hertston -> RE: Favorite American civil war movie and why? (4/24/2013 1:44:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: VPaulus
"The Red Badge of Courage"


Likewise. I really enjoyed the book, and when I saw the the movie I was delighted how close it was to the novel - although Huston's original version (sadly long before the era of 'director's cuts') was supposedly even more so.

Audie Murphy is too old for Henry Fleming, but he was baby-faced enough to just about get away with it, and in a way it's a role only he could have played so convincingly.

'Glory' is a close second.



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Does anybody know what happened to the third part of "Gettysburg" and "Gods and Generals"? Was it cancelled?


Yup. Gods and General bombed pretty catastrophically. It was pretty dire IMHO, for what it's worth, with Stephen Lang's performance being its most notable feature. Again.





VPaulus -> RE: Favorite American civil war movie and why? (4/24/2013 2:45:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hertston

Likewise. I really enjoyed the book, and when I saw the the movie I was delighted how close it was to the novel - although Huston's original version (sadly long before the era of 'director's cuts') was supposedly even more so.

I've never read the book, but I suspected that the movie was highly cut. It's a shame. Maybe one day we will see a director's version like they have done with Orson Welles "Touch of Evil". The movie deserve it with its beautiful cinematography.

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ORIGINAL: Hertston
Audie Murphy is too old for Henry Fleming, but he was baby-faced enough to just about get away with it, and in a way it's a role only he could have played so convincingly.

Indeed. It's a great performance.





Chickenboy -> RE: Favorite American civil war movie and why? (4/24/2013 6:01:27 PM)

Not a big fan of the ACW genre in general. I still feel it personally, so it's a painful subject.

However, of the ACW films I've seen, I identified with and sympathized most with Matthew Broderick's character in Glory. I appreciate the way he comports himself as a young officer faced with difficult military and impossible social choices.




mullk -> RE: Favorite American civil war movie and why? (4/24/2013 6:27:42 PM)

I like Gettysburg. The re-enactors were something I actually liked. I'm not always a fan of actors personally.




SLAAKMAN -> RE: Favorite American civil war movie and why? (4/24/2013 7:31:46 PM)

All of those films mentioned such as Glory or Gettysburg, etc are superb but there was two eseential ingredients missing.....Rosemary Forsythe & Katherine Ross....in their 20's. Yum!
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Hotschi -> RE: Favorite American civil war movie and why? (4/24/2013 8:36:09 PM)

I only know one movie about the American Civil War, and this is Gettysburg. I like it, as it's strictly about the battle and there's no love story attached to distract (in fact I think there's not a single woman starring in the movie). The full German DVD version is on YouTube - a week ago I purchased the Blu-Ray but haven't watched it yet; lack of a Blu-Ray player, have to wait 2 weeks for that one.

Wasn't aware of the prequel "Gods and Generals" but I think I will get that too.




rogo727 -> RE: Favorite American civil war movie and why? (4/24/2013 9:44:54 PM)

Can you tell us more and the reason why? Re-reading about the hornets nest now. It still moves me.
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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Not a big fan of the ACW genre in general. I still feel it personally, so it's a painful subject.

However, of the ACW films I've seen, I identified with and sympathized most with Matthew Broderick's character in Glory. I appreciate the way he comports himself as a young officer faced with difficult military and impossible social choices.





Curtis Lemay -> RE: Favorite American civil war movie and why? (4/24/2013 10:09:33 PM)

I put "Gods and Generals" ahead of "Gettysburg" just for Stephen Lang's Stonewall Jackson - which I thought was the equal of George C. Scott's Patton. I also loved the opening sequence with the unit flags flying as that great theme song played. I wish that both had had true hollywood-type production values, but, as a wargamer, I'm used to niche subjects getting the cheap.




sulla05 -> RE: Favorite American civil war movie and why? (4/25/2013 12:22:05 AM)

Well I have a somewhat different opinion. I love Gettysburg but detested Gods and Generals mostly for the portrayal of " Ole Tom Fool". It made him much more human and sane then most of his fellow soldiers wrote about him. The only part of Gettysburg I do not like is the furry animal that sits on Tom Berenger's face throughout the movie.

But I am very glad to have read this thread for now I am off to find the director's cut of Touch of Evil.




grogmaster -> RE: Favorite American civil war movie and why? (4/25/2013 12:29:06 AM)

The Birth of a Nation





british exil -> RE: Favorite American civil war movie and why? (4/25/2013 1:29:29 AM)

It's years ago that I watched Glory. I found it very good. The way the coloured men fought and also the white offficers leading them into battle after really training them, but also know if captured would be sentanced to death.
But also the futillity of advancing along the beach, open to withering fire to then have to breath a complete intact denfensive line.

They were brave men, shame the higher ranks didn't lead them too. They wouldn't have given such orders.

Mat




VPaulus -> RE: Favorite American civil war movie and why? (4/25/2013 1:34:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sulla05

But I am very glad to have read this thread for now I am off to find the director's cut of Touch of Evil.


This is the one which you're looking for: [:)]
http://www.amazon.com/Touch-Evil-50th-Anniversary-Edition/dp/B001CC7PQ2





Titanwarrior89 -> RE: Favorite American civil war movie and why? (4/25/2013 2:40:19 AM)

Gettysburg....the Cannon's firing.[X(] 




Chickenboy -> RE: Favorite American civil war movie and why? (4/25/2013 4:00:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: rogo727

Can you tell us more and the reason why? Re-reading about the hornets nest now. It still moves me.
quote:

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Not a big fan of the ACW genre in general. I still feel it personally, so it's a painful subject.

However, of the ACW films I've seen, I identified with and sympathized most with Matthew Broderick's character in Glory. I appreciate the way he comports himself as a young officer faced with difficult military and impossible social choices.




rogo727,

I have family (by marriage and otherwise) from North and South. I also feel the pull of modern political 'state's rights' movements. These make me look with literal disgust on that war wherein so many Americans killed one another. It's just hard to think about 600,000 Americans killing one another-people like those you know and love locked in mortal combat for reasons that are still tangible.

Matthew Broderick's character was an inexperienced young Colonel pulled into a politically difficult role-CO of a negro (note: their terms, not mine) Union infantry unit. His wealthy upbringing in no way prepared him for the rural negro's life experiences, nor leadership of this seemingly foreign group of people. Yet he managed, in his own way, to keep his command sharp and to avoid his troops becoming an untrained rabble. Examples were given of how it *could have been* for this unit (and shamefully was in poorly trained negro union infantry units). His interaction with Morgan Freeman is superb as well.

One of the last scenes of the movie brought me to tears. Looking out over the sea, he dismounts his horse before leading his men on their charge of the fort. He smacks his horse to make sure it doesn't follow him to his end. Tears run down his eyes-he knows this day will be his last. But yet he follows through. He leads his men, as he is expected.

I always appreciate movies that portray young officers that grow in the leadership role. I ask myself often, "what would I do?" were I in a similar situation. Watching a good actor embrace the role and grow within it is a great experience for a moviegoer such as myself.




rogo727 -> RE: Favorite American civil war movie and why? (4/25/2013 5:42:52 PM)

When I went to see the Iowa cemetery at Shiloh I just stood there in silence. More Iowa boys lost their lives in that battle then any other battle in the civil war. My favorite part was when that guy picked up the flag when the mathew was shot dead. That moment of truth is kinda how I feel.
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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


quote:

ORIGINAL: rogo727

Can you tell us more and the reason why? Re-reading about the hornets nest now. It still moves me.
quote:

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Not a big fan of the ACW genre in general. I still feel it personally, so it's a painful subject.

However, of the ACW films I've seen, I identified with and sympathized most with Matthew Broderick's character in Glory. I appreciate the way he comports himself as a young officer faced with difficult military and impossible social choices.




rogo727,

I have family (by marriage and otherwise) from North and South. I also feel the pull of modern political 'state's rights' movements. These make me look with literal disgust on that war wherein so many Americans killed one another. It's just hard to think about 600,000 Americans killing one another-people like those you know and love locked in mortal combat for reasons that are still tangible.

Matthew Broderick's character was an inexperienced young Colonel pulled into a politically difficult role-CO of a negro (note: their terms, not mine) Union infantry unit. His wealthy upbringing in no way prepared him for the rural negro's life experiences, nor leadership of this seemingly foreign group of people. Yet he managed, in his own way, to keep his command sharp and to avoid his troops becoming an untrained rabble. Examples were given of how it *could have been* for this unit (and shamefully was in poorly trained negro union infantry units). His interaction with Morgan Freeman is superb as well.

One of the last scenes of the movie brought me to tears. Looking out over the sea, he dismounts his horse before leading his men on their charge of the fort. He smacks his horse to make sure it doesn't follow him to his end. Tears run down his eyes-he knows this day will be his last. But yet he follows through. He leads his men, as he is expected.

I always appreciate movies that portray young officers that grow in the leadership role. I ask myself often, "what would I do?" were I in a similar situation. Watching a good actor embrace the role and grow within it is a great experience for a moviegoer such as myself.





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