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abulbulian -> Supply to Mandalay? (1/31/2013 5:31:36 AM)

Trying to figure out if I'll ever get any supply up to Mandalay as the Japanese. Here's the situation.

1) mid Dec 42
2) control Rangoon w/ decent supply there 60k+
3) have only few small troops in Mandalay
4) no air in Mandalay
5) airfield is un-damaged (for now)
6) rail connects Rangoon and Mandalay
7) all cities around Mandalay in Red ! as well for supply.

I understand that there's a restriction in most of those northern cities/towns in Burma. I can see by the supply # in () between 250-1500. Does that mean the most that can be stored or passed through? Trying to send in air supply but logic tells me that with a 1 TR plane that has 2000 cap will carry 2 supply points? Thus, 100 of these supply planes will transport 200 supply? Is this tons? Seems low?

Given #3 - #5 I would think the draw of supply from Mandalay would be very low. So why after almost 3 weeks can't I get more than 20 supply. Strange it's always 20 supply in Mandalay almost seems like a bug or that # should fluctuate a little? Especially since I've been adding some bombers to carry more supply in at times to see the effect, which has been nothing. Is the weather having some effect?

Really not sure how the Japanese could ever mount any sort of attack North/West of Rangoon towards India with no supply coming thru.. even on rail?

Can somebody please explain why this situation exist?





n01487477 -> RE: Supply to Mandalay? (1/31/2013 6:45:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: abulbulian

Trying to figure out if I'll ever get any supply up to Mandalay as the Japanese. Here's the situation.

1) mid Dec 42
2) control Rangoon w/ decent supply there 60k+
3) have only few small troops in Mandalay
4) no air in Mandalay
5) airfield is un-damaged (for now)
6) rail connects Rangoon and Mandalay
7) all cities around Mandalay in Red ! as well for supply.

I understand that there's a restriction in most of those northern cities/towns in Burma. I can see by the supply # in () between 250-1500. Does that mean the most that can be stored or passed through? Trying to send in air supply but logic tells me that with a 1 TR plane that has 2000 cap will carry 2 supply points? Thus, 100 of these supply planes will transport 200 supply? Is this tons? Seems low?

Given #3 - #5 I would think the draw of supply from Mandalay would be very low. So why after almost 3 weeks can't I get more than 20 supply. Strange it's always 20 supply in Mandalay almost seems like a bug or that # should fluctuate a little? Especially since I've been adding some bombers to carry more supply in at times to see the effect, which has been nothing. Is the weather having some effect?

Really not sure how the Japanese could ever mount any sort of attack North/West of Rangoon towards India with no supply coming thru.. even on rail?

Can somebody please explain why this situation exist?

How about sending me a save and I'll have a look-see ...



Alfred -> RE: Supply to Mandalay? (1/31/2013 3:42:53 PM)

1. Having 60k+ supply in Rangoon is fairly meaningless. Much more important is what is the required supply amount for Rangoon itself. Rangoon will only export supply to other bases when its own supply depots are greater than 3x its required supply.

2. A transport plane or level bomber can airflit 1 supply point per 2000lb load. Most transport planes have more than a 2000lb capacity. If you are using planes with only a 2000lb capacity you are really using very light transport planes. I find absolutely nothing strange that you are airlifting only 100 supply points if employing 100 planes with a 2000lb cargo capacity.

3. Mid December is outside the monsoon season. During monsoon season the amount in brackets is the maximum amount that can be drawn in.

4. Base depots only build up after the garrison itself is fully stocked up. There is nothing unusual in a base depot remaining steady at 20. That usually means that the units located there are grabbing first whatever supply is flowing to the base because they themselves are undersupplied.

5. Besides units themselves there are other users of supply. Building up infrastructure, such as airfilds and forts will consume supply. Repairing industry will also consume supply.

6. Weather does not affect supply. Terrain does affect overland supply movement.

Alfred



crsutton -> RE: Supply to Mandalay? (1/31/2013 8:23:52 PM)

Now that I have taken Rangoon as the Allies supply is flowing clear up the road and into China to my most forward base at Tsyung. Two things I have done. I am pumping a lot (emphasis on lot) of supply into Rangoon and all bases along that route and in North Burma are well built up. But the supply flows just fine.

The limitation with Japan is how much supply they can get to Rangoon (eventually the Allies might have some say in this) and how much supply do you have to spare to commit to that theater. Plus it is not necessarily such a good idea to build up a lot of bases in Burma that the Allies will eventually own and use against you. So it is not an easy task for the Japanese player.

Sort of reflects the actual reality for Japan in that theater.



abulbulian -> RE: Supply to Mandalay? (1/31/2013 9:29:11 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Alfred

1. Having 60k+ supply in Rangoon is fairly meaningless. Much more important is what is the required supply amount for Rangoon itself. Rangoon will only export supply to other bases when its own supply depots are greater than 3x its required supply.

2. A transport plane or level bomber can airflit 1 supply point per 2000lb load. Most transport planes have more than a 2000lb capacity. If you are using planes with only a 2000lb capacity you are really using very light transport planes. I find absolutely nothing strange that you are airlifting only 100 supply points if employing 100 planes with a 2000lb cargo capacity.

3. Mid December is outside the monsoon season. During monsoon season the amount in brackets is the maximum amount that can be drawn in.

4. Base depots only build up after the garrison itself is fully stocked up. There is nothing unusual in a base depot remaining steady at 20. That usually means that the units located there are grabbing first whatever supply is flowing to the base because they themselves are undersupplied.

5. Besides units themselves there are other users of supply. Building up infrastructure, such as airfilds and forts will consume supply. Repairing industry will also consume supply.

6. Weather does not affect supply. Terrain does affect overland supply movement.

Alfred


Thanks very much Alfred! I now believe the key to my issue lies with your first point. The amount of supplies needed to keep Rangoon running X 3 is probably less that the 60k on hand. Thus, nothing will flow north to my other cities in Burma. Will see what happens when I can increase what is onhand in Rangoon.




pompack -> RE: Supply to Mandalay? (1/31/2013 10:54:43 PM)

As the Japanese, it took me over ten months to get the upstream bases built and up to 20k supply each. The flow is very slow, but is still large enough to MAINTAIN a 20k level with large garrisons and a/c levels. The trouble is that a garrison and engineers building airfields consumes about all the supply that can move in the pipeline in monsoon; actually operating a/c at those bases while still building up the airfields can cause to supply level to drop in spite of an excess of supply in Rangoon available to flow up the line.

One caution, supply WILL flow from Rangoon to Bangkok with major attrition losses so make sure that every base between Singers and Bangkok (inclusive) is at max level before loading up Rangoon; otherwise you have just discovered a hard way to throw supplies overboard.



LargeSlowTarget -> RE: Supply to Mandalay? (2/1/2013 11:50:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Alfred
3. Mid December is outside the monsoon season. During monsoon season the amount in brackets is the maximum amount that can be drawn in.


I thought the amount in brackets indicates the supply cap applied to the hex in normal weather and that during monsoon conditions this supply cap is further reduced by half.

At least this is how I understand Andy Mac in http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=2870931




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