parusski -> RE: lincoln (1/27/2013 10:15:40 PM)
I know this will be troubling to some and it will probably be stopped but i must give my educated opinion.
he was no hero imo but the most dangerous dicta...em president we've ever had.
secesion was a right in THESE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA that is how it is really meant to be phrased.
hell we seceded from the british empire why would the framers condemn it?
look up the definition of state it basically means a country
Chris Matthews was right lincoln proved secesion was illegal,[but he did'nt add] at the cost of 600.000 lives.
lets try to leave slavery out of the equation was'nt it lincoln that said if he could save the
union by freeing all the slaves he would or if he freed none of them to save the union he would??
he suspended habeous corpus one of the basic unalienable rights we possess as humans!
he instituded conscription which IS unconstitutional but hell its just a piece of paper which is "sometimes wrong"[john kerry]
lets get another thing straight it was not a "rebellion"the southern countries did'nt try to overthrow
the federal gov.they chose to leave it so they were not "rebels"as also were the founders not technicaly rebels.
the southern states lawfully and peacfully left the union and were at peace with the usa till lincoln authorized the reinforcment
and resupply of a usa fort in the port of,at that time foreign country south carolina
i have to go now and continue setting up my first turn in witp so you can start calling me a racist now i will return
but try to remember"facts are dangerous things"can
t remember which founder said that but try to keep responces factual and less emotive plz
I can't agree with you on this one. Abraham Lincoln underwent a tremendous transformation during the tragic years of his presidency. The Emancipation Proclamation repudiated all of Lincoln's previous thoughts about slavery. At different times Lincoln theorized about sending slaves to Liberia and gradual emaciation with compensation for slave owners. As the war progressed the issue of slavery hit the national agenda, and Lincoln realized his decision on the issue had to be one of freedom-here.
Lincoln made several decisions that many consider tyrannical. Suspension of habeas corpus by executive order. Emancipation of the slaves by executive order. Yes these are shocking but as Lincoln said "I had to do something to hold the country together. I took action when I did and gave the PEOPLE time to judge me. They re-elected me, so they approved of my decisions." I concur. Of course today I can't abide a president suspending rights, but Lincoln faced a very unique problem-Civil War and possible dissolution of the great experiment, and all his decisions worked in the end. The country was saved, habeaus corpus reinstated and slavery abolished. If Lincoln had lived I really believe civil rights for black Americans would have arrived much, much sooner.
One thing I loved about the movie Lincoln is the revelation to a huge number of movie goers that the Republican party supported the 13th amendment while the Democrats, to a man, opposed it. Lincoln engaged in a lot of back room deals to get enough Democrats to insure passage of the amendment.
In the end history has judged Lincoln to be the greatest President, and of the the great leaders, of history. I agree.