MrRoadrunner -> RE: Women In the Infantry (1/27/2013 2:14:57 PM)
Is this serious thought?
First off, people do not join to "die for their country". That is one of the stupidest things I hear parroted often. A person joins to serve their country and protect it (and The Constitution) from outside harm. Any one who served can tell you that a soldier is willing to lay down his life for a fellow soldier.
I was being facetious about the dying for you country, just like the joke that you joined to serve your country and protect it and the constitution- because be honest, you didn't- you did it to serve yourself by agreeing to try to kill someone else on orders from your commander, right? you maybe finished high school and had nowhere to go other than flipping burgers at mcdonalds, or you got a college degree in basket weaving or some other field that left you pretty much unqualified for doing anything more than flipping burgers at mcdonalds, except this time you'd have a sheepskin to hang on the wall beside the grill station- so you thought you'd escape the rat race that everyone else has to fight through and go into this gentle, mans world where all your decisions are made for you; a world of men, living with men, sleeping with men, eating, showering, crapping and no women to bother you. Ah yes ! How proud you must have felt when you signed up and got though basic training- but the real secret that you never told anyone is why you really joined. Thats the joke.
Equal rights does not mean equal ability. Especially in the area of physical ability. It's not about push ups or the ability to keep up on a run. It's about a woman being able to assist picking up a wounded 200 lb man and carrying him to safety.
It's also about the male inherent instinct to protect females.
There are differences between men and women that should be kept that way.
The military has reduced standards for physical requirements to allow women to serve. That is a fact.
Gender difference exists and it needs to be addressed properly.
Question: how many soldiers could meet the standard requirements 5 years into the service ? most folk get older get lazier, get comfortable, get fat. gender difference means nothing- not in the age of firearms, neither does age, or health- a 200 pound soldier is too heavy; there are no 200 pound marathon runners, or competitive swimmers or cyclists- you go on about physical ability, but ignore the limitations- what purpose do push-ups serve in combat ? women peak around age 30 and maintain physical strength and ability through to age 50+ while men generally peak around 30 and start to decline thereafter. You are just pulling rules for standard requirements as though it has any relevance to the job- exerting political force through the barrel of a gun, which as we have seen since firearms came into the picture, is childs play. so wheres your gender difference now ? sorry mr delta force ranger commander, your 24hour record pushups meant nothing to the kid who got you with the ak 47
Does a woman have equal rights as a citizen, of course. Do those rights ensure her she can join and serve, of course. But those rights should also be pared with the ability to perform the tasks needed to be part of the team. Put them through the PT and obstacle courses from twenty to thirty years ago and require them to keep up will make them quite equal, if they can complete them.
Equality as you seem think is what turned the French Revolution into a bloody and negative event.
Why do you bring blacks into the discussion for?
boy, my argument went way over your head in that one huh ? I am wondering how Dr Suess might put this for you, Sam; I used as hypothetical ( that means "I made it up for the sake of the argument") statement to construct a rule which I could use to exclude a percentage of people (they be of any other color) for no other reason than the sake of exclusion. The rest of your post is just rubbish as well, and as you seem to be unable to deal with concepts I might as well leave this at that.
Most of your comments seem to come from the "progressive" playbook.
You bring out old canards, such as "flipping burgers is bad, so a young man joins the military to kill people and collect a paycheck."
You talk about getting old and everyone loses strength. That was not the point at all. Most women who have joined the military do not meet the strength and endurance standards of years ago. The military was made to lower standards so that women could pass the physical tests.
You brought up the black issue. Now you want to belittle me over going down your rabbit trail?
Progressives always want others to respect their opinions, while not respecting the opinions of others. This form of making fun of the way a person thinks is part of the progressive agenda.
I may have been foolish to comment on your "rabbit trail" thought. I am spot on that you have an agenda that goes far beyond women serving in the military. That is just a means to an end that you know you want.
Put together a better argument, stop erecting straw men or creating diversions, and quit with the sarcastic comments meant to belittle any poster. I've seen personal attacks before. I will continue to do so. Water off a ducks back as far as I am concerned.
I do not think that your comments went over my head as much as under my feet.