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spence -> OT: Hand to Hand Combat at Sea (12/30/2012 11:47:06 AM)

It didn't happen in the Pacific but AARs like this one are rare since ships started being made out of steel:

http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-66BuckleyReport.htm




Sakai007 -> RE: OT: Hand to Hand Combat at Sea (12/30/2012 4:52:44 PM)

That's a great AAR, thanks for sharing!!!




geofflambert -> RE: OT: Hand to Hand Combat at Sea (12/30/2012 5:17:50 PM)

Block Island was sunk by U-549 on the 29th of May.




spence -> RE: OT: Hand to Hand Combat at Sea (12/30/2012 6:25:17 PM)

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Block Island was sunk by U-549 on the 29th of May.


Along with quite a few other other Allied warships during the Battle of the Atlantic. U-549 went to the bottom with all hands the next day joining a whole of other U-boats.

Very few of those sinkings involved fighting with small arms and boarders. Your point is what?

Let's see how fast can others come up with other incidents similar to this (which perhaps inspired the book/movie "The Enemy Below").




mantill -> RE: OT: Hand to Hand Combat at Sea (12/30/2012 6:57:23 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: spence

quote:

Block Island was sunk by U-549 on the 29th of May.


Along with quite a few other other Allied warships during the Battle of the Atlantic. U-549 went to the bottom with all hands the next day joining a whole of other U-boats.

Very few of those sinkings involved fighting with small arms and boarders. Your point is what?

Let's see how fast can others come up with other incidents similar to this (which perhaps inspired the book/movie "The Enemy Below").


I think that was a little harsh, he was only quoting a fact some might find interesting.

I thought Admiral King had ordered escorts not to ram U-boats in 42. Had this order been rescinded by 44, escorts being much more plentiful?




sprior -> RE: OT: Hand to Hand Combat at Sea (12/30/2012 7:03:27 PM)

A few U-boats were boarded in an attempt to capture the Enigma machines. The first one was:

http://ww2today.com/9th-may-1941-enigma-machine-captured

The RAF had even bought some in the 20's and called it "Typex" It wasn't the machines that were important (then Poles had sent some to the Uk too) but the rotor settings. The RN located and took several german weathserships too which helped.




sprior -> RE: OT: Hand to Hand Combat at Sea (12/30/2012 7:12:43 PM)

The Altmark incident was the last known use of the cutlass in RN boarding operations, that was 1939.




danlongman -> RE: OT: Hand to Hand Combat at Sea (12/30/2012 7:22:10 PM)

A USN DD attacked an IJN Sub with raw potatoes. USS O'Bannon it was.




spence -> RE: OT: Hand to Hand Combat at Sea (12/30/2012 7:33:11 PM)

Tact has not been the most prominent of my personal attributes I guess.

The Altmark Affair was a planned boarding rather than the "come as you are affair" between the Buckley and U-66. Several U-boats were captured in WWII and those captures obviously involved boardings. I am aware of at least two other incidents which at the very least involved exchanging small arms fire while two enemy ships were "alongside" each other in WWII. Neither one included a capture of the enemy vessel. Both were in the Atlantic and involved U-boats.

I have never heard of any such incidents in the Pacific. Incidentally the uboatarchive.net has AARs for the USS England's run of IJN submarines too (I guess just because it was a unique record).
Just in case anyone wants to know.




geofflambert -> RE: OT: Hand to Hand Combat at Sea (12/30/2012 8:03:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: spence

quote:

Block Island was sunk by U-549 on the 29th of May.



Very few of those sinkings involved fighting with small arms and boarders. Your point is what?




The Block Island was a participant in the drama that began the thread. My post was a postscript.

Don't worry, I often lack tact and a number of other things besides. [8|]




LargeSlowTarget -> RE: OT: Hand to Hand Combat at Sea (12/30/2012 8:54:47 PM)

The last great naval sword fight could have been fought in the engagement between I-1 and Kiwi off Guadalcanal: http://bellsouthpwp2.net/e/a/ea_herr/SwordFight.htm

Famous PT skipper Bulkeley in PT-34 off Bataan did attack and board a Japanese barge and captured documents and prisoners.




spence -> RE: OT: Hand to Hand Combat at Sea (12/30/2012 9:23:09 PM)

Very interesting. Not many historians ever bother record the such unusual incidents...I guess because no great issues were decided (except for the participants).

I'd never heard of either of the incidents mentioned above which occurred in the Pacific.




pws1225 -> RE: OT: Hand to Hand Combat at Sea (12/30/2012 10:43:41 PM)

A remarkable incident. Thanks spence.




Mac Linehan -> RE: OT: Hand to Hand Combat at Sea (12/30/2012 11:47:38 PM)

spence -

A fascinating and gripping story - the real deal.

Thank You for sharing, Sir!

Mac




spence -> RE: OT: Hand to Hand Combat at Sea (12/30/2012 11:52:47 PM)

The USS Borie (a Clemson Class DD) and U-405 also got into a close range fight after the Borie rammed the U-Boat. In the end both ships sank: the Uboat was scuttled, the Borie was scuttled somewhat afterwards due to damage suffered in the ramming.

The USCGC Campbell collided with U-606 and the crews thereafter exchanged fire, including small arms, at close range. U-606 sank, Campbell was DIW with a flooded engine room but got towed into St Johns Newfoundland and ultimately repaired (I was TDY on her for about a month 29 years later).





Dili -> RE: OT: Hand to Hand Combat at Sea (12/31/2012 1:22:44 AM)

HMS Triad and Italian Enrico Toti submarines fought at close range in surface. At some point they were so close sailors could listen to each other and anecdotally it is said that one of Italian crew threw a boot against the British Submarine.




d0mbo -> RE: OT: Hand to Hand Combat at Sea (12/31/2012 9:25:57 AM)

''Ammunition expended at this time included several general mess coffee cups which were on hand at ready gun station. Two of the enemy were hit in the head with these.''

Made me chuckle :)





ilovestrategy -> RE: OT: Hand to Hand Combat at Sea (12/31/2012 11:58:17 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget

The last great naval sword fight could have been fought in the engagement between I-1 and Kiwi off Guadalcanal: http://bellsouthpwp2.net/e/a/ea_herr/SwordFight.htm

Famous PT skipper Bulkeley in PT-34 off Bataan did attack and board a Japanese barge and captured documents and prisoners.



That was an awesome story! [&o]




crsutton -> RE: OT: Hand to Hand Combat at Sea (12/31/2012 5:04:50 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: d0mbo

''Ammunition expended at this time included several general mess coffee cups which were on hand at ready gun station. Two of the enemy were hit in the head with these.''

Made me chuckle :)




Shotgun shells

00 buckshot
30 rounds.

I imagine that this was a little more effective.




spence -> RE: OT: Hand to Hand Combat at Sea (1/4/2013 11:04:24 PM)

Something more from Uboatarchive.net which is kind of interesting:

http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-168.htm

U-168 was sent to cooperate with the Japanese and operated briefly in the Far East. It was sunk by a Dutch submarine which actually had a name rather than a number. Apparently the Germans and Japanese were somewhat more distant from one another than the Brits and U.S.




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