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morvael -> Free SU for Army (12/13/2012 9:26:14 AM)

Is it ok when a newly built army (for 25 AP) recieves 16 support units for free? Previously it was 2-3 units.




elmo3 -> RE: Free SU for Army (12/13/2012 11:16:33 AM)

Do you have a save that repeats the problem?




morvael -> RE: Free SU for Army (12/13/2012 12:47:03 PM)

I think yes. I will send it by email.

Load the game, build an army (or two). Each starts with about 15 support units.

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morvael -> RE: Free SU for Army (12/13/2012 12:49:58 PM)

Save sent




Denniss -> RE: Free SU for Army (12/13/2012 7:07:18 PM)

Depending on date it may go up to 19 SU created with a new HQ. Especially in later games with lots of units this causes a nearly 30sec delay after issuing the build order.




morvael -> RE: Free SU for Army (12/13/2012 7:29:45 PM)

Yes, the delay is noticeable. But from your response I don't understand whether you consider this WAD or a bug?




elmo3 -> RE: Free SU for Army (12/13/2012 7:34:53 PM)

I have the file and will look at it, probably tomorrow. Will also discuss it with Pavel.




morvael -> RE: Free SU for Army (12/13/2012 7:47:23 PM)

Double post




morvael -> RE: Free SU for Army (12/13/2012 7:49:53 PM)

Ok, I will pause our game and await the verdict. I don't want so many SU for free, especially when half of them don't conform with my default OOB makeup and I'd have to spend AP to disband them. Why make those SU for free at all? Earlier in the game the engine was stealing a PVO AA Regt from STAVKA everytime I formed a new army and I had to pay to send it back. If you really want to have each army with some free SU units what about giving 2-3 free AP after forming the army (but forming it empty)? That way the player could buy those units he wants. Such minor discount in price of the army wouldn't be a problem I think. Or just make the army cost 22 AP to form, but always form empty.




hfarrish -> RE: Free SU for Army (12/13/2012 7:55:24 PM)


My Army HQs also seem to receive that many support units just automatically, I thought it was WAD...but it does seem far better and in line with the spirit of the game to just lower the cost of HQs and allow us to pick the SUs we want, rather than getting a slew for free and then randomly disbanding a bunch of them at a cost.




Michael T -> RE: Free SU for Army (12/13/2012 8:53:19 PM)

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My Army HQs also seem to receive that many support units just automatically, I thought it was WAD...but it does seem far better and in line with the spirit of the game to just lower the cost of HQs and allow us to pick the SUs we want, rather than getting a slew for free and then randomly disbanding a bunch of them at a cost.



Agree, I waste AP dumping unwanted ARM hogs. JUst lower the cost of the initial HQ purchase and let me build my own SU's.




elmo3 -> RE: Free SU for Army (12/13/2012 11:14:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: morvael

Ok, I will pause our game and await the verdict....


I wold not hold up your game for this. If it's a bug it won't be getting fixed right away, and it's hardly a game breaker.




Helpless -> RE: Free SU for Army (12/14/2012 12:14:58 AM)

This routines were written by Gary and as I can see composition varies depending on the date and sometimes number of existing SU of particular type. Also, AFAIK, SU is just a "free" bonus, which doesn't affect the AP cost balance. Although I agree that sometimes it is better to leave it up to player to make their own decision, I've heard opposite opinions who found automatic SU build-up feature quite useful.





elmo3 -> RE: Free SU for Army (12/14/2012 1:32:18 AM)

Thanks Pavel. Not adding this to the bug list based on your comments.




morvael -> RE: Free SU for Army (12/14/2012 9:24:04 AM)

So this "free" bonus will cost me 11 AP to disband, while 5 AP will be saved for some of those units on the list are the ones I build. The balance of this operation will be -6AP, so the total army cost will jump to 31. Can't say I'm happy.

What about allowing those empty shells to be disbanded for 0AP on the turn they are created? Fzn2 means I will be unable to stop them from draining the pools before disband will be possible.




cpt flam -> RE: Free SU for Army (12/14/2012 3:36:14 PM)

Dominik from experience you can adjust their TOE after you purchase




morvael -> RE: Free SU for Army (12/14/2012 4:14:55 PM)

Too late, but thanks for the hint, I will use it next time.




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