AdmSpruance > WHAT HAPPENED TO CAP IN v1.06.1108r9 (11/12/2012 11:12:03 PM)

Ive played nearly every iteration of WitP over the last 8 years and I know that there was an effort to get away from uberCAP and make CAP somewhat "leaky". However.....we upgraded to v1.06.1108r9 a month ago and just had our first carrier air battle.....and now it seems as if CAP is has been rendered impotent. First I had a CAP of 213 Hellcats and they barely were able to fight off 21 A6M2s and did not excecute 1 firing pass against the Bettys: Morning Air attack on TF, near Taberfane at 82,117 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid detected at 107 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 37 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 21 G4M1 Betty x 27 Allied aircraft F6F3 Hellcat x 213 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 9 destroyed G4M1 Betty: 12 damaged Allied aircraft losses F6F3 Hellcat: 6 destroyed Allied Ships CVE Sangamon, Torpedo hits 1 CVE Corregidor CVE Copahee, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage CVE Altamaha, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage CVE Prince William, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk Aircraft Attacking: 27 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo CAP engaged: VF26 with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters to 31000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 44 minutes 13 planes vectored on to bombers VC(F)33 with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 31000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 34 minutes 10 planes vectored on to bombers VF35 with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 14000 and 17000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes 12 planes vectored on to bombers VF37 with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 11 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 31000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes 13 planes vectored on to bombers VC(F)41 with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 14000 and 31000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes 10 planes vectored on to bombers VF60 with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 18000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes 14 planes vectored on to bombers VRF1F with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 17 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 16000 and 31000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes 17 planes vectored on to bombers VRF2F with F6F3 Hellcat (3 airborne, 15 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 17000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes 15 planes vectored on to bombers VRF3F with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 16 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 31000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes 16 planes vectored on to bombers VRF4F with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 17 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 31000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 42 minutes 13 planes vectored on to bombers VRF5F with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 16 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 13000 and 31000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 33 minutes 15 planes vectored on to bombers VRF6F with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 17 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 14000 and 31000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 40 minutes 12 planes vectored on to bombers VMF111 with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 11000 and 31000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes 12 planes vectored on to bombers Fuel storage explosion on CVE Copahee Ammo storage explosion on CVE Altamaha Initially....I chalked this result up to bad die rolls and my own rushed turn where I left sll the CAP at 31,000. But then this happened the next turn against CAP that was layered from 31,000' all the way down to 9000': Morning Air attack on TF, near Saumlaki at 78,117 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 111 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 38 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 15 G4M1 Betty x 54 Allied aircraft F6F3 Hellcat x 168 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed, 14 damaged G4M1 Betty: 2 destroyed by flak Allied aircraft losses F6F3 Hellcat: 5 destroyed Allied Ships CVE Corregidor, Torpedo hits 1 CVE Barnes CVE Chenango, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage CVE Long Island CVE Nassau, Torpedo hits 1 CVE Suwannee, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk CVE Santee, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage CVE Anzio, Torpedo hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 24 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo 26 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo CAP engaged: VF26 with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 11000 and 20000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes 8 planes vectored on to bombers VC(F)33 with F6F3 Hellcat (4 airborne, 11 on standby, 0 scrambling) 4 plane(s) intercepting now. 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 14000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes 8 planes vectored on to bombers VF35 with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 11 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 12000 and 31000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes 15 planes vectored on to bombers VC(F)41 with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 4000 and 9000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 35 minutes 10 planes vectored on to bombers VF60 with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 31000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes 17 planes vectored on to bombers VRF1F with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 17 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 8 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 21000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 21000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes 25 planes vectored on to bombers VRF4F with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 16 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 6000 and 12000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 36 minutes 15 planes vectored on to bombers VRF6F with F6F3 Hellcat (4 airborne, 17 on standby, 0 scrambling) 4 plane(s) intercepting now. 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 9000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 17000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes 21 planes vectored on to bombers VMF111 with F6F3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 16000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes 10 planes vectored on to bombers Fuel storage explosion on CVE Suwannee Fuel storage explosion on CVE Santee Here there were only 15 escorting A6M2s....,yet my Hellcats only made 6 passes at the Bettys before A2A was through. It almost seems as if the # of fighters placed on CAP is irrelevant....it seems that A2A combat lasts for a certain period of time before the bombing starts regardlees of the # of fighters on CAP. If 200 Hellcats cant even handle 25 A6M2s.....what happens when there are 300400 escorts and bombers involved or more? The average Hellcat pilot in this engagement had 70 exp and 70 A2A skill. I would have liked to have tested this some more but after 2 turns Ive run out of CVEs. Has anyone seen this type of result before? Is the game WAD?



