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Mobius -> 47mm Pak 41? (11/10/2012 6:54:24 PM)

I'm not sure what this is. I found it among other gun profiles in the US 1955 post war recap of German weapons. It has a different length than the 47mm I have seen in German data. It looks like it has the Russian 45mm gunshield, recoil system and wheels. Maybe it is a bored out 45mm captured Russian gun? Since the penetration data is in yards and not meters it seems the US was curious enough to do its own testing and not rely on German data (if any was found.)



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junk2drive -> RE: 47mm Pak 41? (11/10/2012 7:57:18 PM)

I don't know anything about this but the French and Italians both had 47mm ATGs. Maybe they used captured bits to make this one?




Ratzki -> RE: 47mm Pak 41? (11/10/2012 11:21:19 PM)

All I found was a listing for a captured French 47mm Pak 141, but there was no picture to confirm one way or another.




Mobius -> RE: 47mm Pak 41? (11/11/2012 1:02:50 AM)

The caliber length is different from the 47mm guns that we have in the game. It is different from the 4.7mm Pak (t) which is L/43.5.




Ratzki -> RE: 47mm Pak 41? (11/11/2012 2:11:58 AM)

What about the Japanese 47mm Model 01 L / 48 manufactured at the Osaka Imperial Arsenal. The velocities seem similar, I have a 1.4kg projectile at 823m/second. The rate of fire fits with what I found to be 13 rounds per minute. I found it to have a 60deg traverse, again pretty close. Elevation seems in the ballpark as well, with what I have at +18deg/-11deg. Even the weight that I found at 753kg deployed seems real close to what you have posted. I do not have any perfromance stats to compare though, and the pictur that I have is real poor but it does seem to have a flat gunshield. The link below is a picture that I found on the net and some of the data varies a little as well compared to what I have.

http://lovettartillery.com/47mm_Type_1_Japanese_AT_Gun.html




junk2drive -> RE: 47mm Pak 41? (11/11/2012 2:22:51 AM)

Here is Taki's page on the IJA gun

http://www3.plala.or.jp/takihome/47.htm




Mobius -> RE: 47mm Pak 41? (11/11/2012 2:27:43 AM)

Yeah, the wheels look like the Japanese model. Either someone in the Army printing mixed up captured Japanese weapons with captured German weapons or the Germans had a sample of the Japanese gun for testing.




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