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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

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ORIGINAL: Cad908

Mo Reb,

Here is a link to the final edition rules with the examples included. The one on ADG's website for some reason does not include the graphics. It was done by a fan, and I would give credit if I knew his / her name.

http://manlig.org/wif/RaW-7mAug2004.pdf

This RAW forms the basis of the game.

Two other documents:

Rules as Coded (RAC) Some 98% of RAC is directly from RAW. It provides clarifications to the rules and the transition form a paper game to the computer one.
Players Manual (PM) Details sequence of play and all the forms used in MWIF, along with many other goodies are part of MWIF... The timing of their release is up to Matrix.


-Rob

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Mo Reb I never played Advanced 3rd Reich (although did try 3rd Reich). In my opinion, 3rd Reich and WIF simply do not compare.

There are a number of reasons for WIF being simply the best game ever.

1. I believe it has the right mix of playability and complexity.
2. It is fun without being in any way a "beer and pretzels" game.
3. There are no sure-fire strategies - variable weather, variable turn-length, a degree of luck when picking reinforcements plus of course good old fashioned dice, all go together to ensure that no two games are alike.
4. For those expecting a 100% accurate OB and unit factors, then this is not the game for them. However, what WIF does is give each player an accurate feel for their country's armed forces; the benefits and the problems that go with them - e.g. Commonwealth a small, mobile army - the Commonwealth army must be used sparringly; decent aircraft with a large variety of types giving a good degree of flexibility; and a lot of ships - by no means the best quality (except HMS Warspite of course) and massively overstretched.
5. The ruleset gives the game a proper historical context, but within that framework a player is not strait-jacketed in terms of players being able to try loads of different strategies.
6. A really important element for me with any game is the "look" of the game. WIF looks fantastic (except for the Final Edition maps [:(]) but the superb MWIF map sorts that little problem out [:)]. The counters are exceptionally good - NATO symbols for the army, silhouettes for the ships, and full colour camoflagued aircraft. Playing with SIF and PIF is a must for me as these excellent counters really add to gaming experience .

Read:
Specifically Section 3 the first paragraph.
Specifically Section 3 the last paragraph first sentence.

Ignore:
Section 3 the rest of the last paragraph.


You know I cannot post specifics on the NDA.

You can post links to screen shots of maps and units and let people decide on the quality.

But you cannot give your opinion of them.

You are reviewing the game.

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I look forward to it Empire. I can see the AAR now:

April 1942. The RN's Eastern Fleet, led by HMS Warspite, sorties into the South China Sea and quickly despatches Yamato, Hiei, Kongo and Nagato to the bottom of the sea. Yamato and Warspite fought a duel that lasted 30 minutes. Warspite's 15-inchers pummelled the hapless Japanese battleship into oblivion, while in reply, the Grand Old Lady required a new lick of paint when she returned triumphantly to Singapore after the battle.

With great respect, it would appear from the stats that any competent Japanese commander of Yamato could dispatch Warspite without incurring any serious damage.

The Yamato was 3 kts faster and could fire shells 42 km while the Warspite's record hit with her 15 inchers was at a distance of less than 24 km. The Yamato would have an 18 km "safety zone" whithin which she could fire at the Warspite without danger of being hit herself.

The Warspite would only have a chance if she appeared out of a fog bank or morning mist and was within range of Yamato. Otherwise the Yamato just stays out of range with her superior speed and pummels Warspite with complete impunity.

Sorry.

pauld

Nothing wrong with mentioning an AAR or opinion on a ships actual abilities.

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ORIGINAL: Cad908

Mo Reb,

Here is a link to the final edition rules with the examples included. The one on ADG's website for some reason does not include the graphics. It was done by a fan, and I would give credit if I knew his / her name.

http://manlig.org/wif/RaW-7mAug2004.pdf

This RAW forms the basis of the game.

Two other documents:

Rules as Coded (RAC) Some 98% of RAC is directly from RAW. It provides clarifications to the rules and the transition form a paper game to the computer one.
Players Manual (PM) Details sequence of play and all the forms used in MWIF, along with many other goodies are part of MWIF... The timing of their release is up to Matrix.

-Rob

Read:
Specifically Section 3 the first paragraph.
Specifically Section 3 the last paragraph first sentence.

Ignore:
Section 3 the rest of the last paragraph.


You know I cannot post specifics on the NDA.

You can post links to screen shots of maps and units and let people decide on the quality.

But you cannot give your opinion of them.

You are reviewing the game.

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ORIGINAL: warspite1


Goodbye cruel world.....

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ORIGINAL: Empire101

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ORIGINAL: warspite1


Goodbye cruel world.....

Ok old boy.....just walk away from the edge and put the gun down, its all been a terrible mistake....

We found the secret protocols of the NDA on the body of the Paradox secret agent in the lake.... Its all over...

[image]local://upfiles/29250/8C2539E39742492BA386BBEC4314E83F.jpg[/image]

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

Deleted - I have lost the will to live with this..... [:(][&:] I agree with Cad908. If Matrix want me removed from the Beta team as a result of my faux pas, then fair enough.

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: Empire101

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ORIGINAL: warspite1


Goodbye cruel world.....

Ok old boy.....just walk away from the edge and put the gun down, its all been a terrible mistake....

We found the secret protocols of the NDA on the body of the Paradox secret agent in the lake.... Its all over...

[image]local://upfiles/29250/8C2539E39742492BA386BBEC4314E83F.jpg[/image]

warspite1

Phew, that's a relief, I didn't want to end it all - it was just an excuse to post a quite brilliant toon! [:)]

BTW Empire, I think you should start a new thread; I'm dying to hear about the secret protocols. Sounds like a Pierce Brosnan movie [:)]

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ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

Well I guess the only question remaining is WHEN? [:)]

I wonder if we get a chance to have this by Christmas? The missus says I'm too hard to buy for. I can make it real easy.

mo reb

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ORIGINAL: Empire101

Slurs and innuendoes??!!

Who is this aimed at??

Everyone has been more than polite.

If anyone needs to apologise, its you for getting the wrong end of the stick, and saying you are sorry to Warspite.

By the way, who appointed you to police this forum??

All of this nonsense should have been done by PM between Warspite, Steve & yourself ( if there ever was any basis for your accusations, which there are not )....a gentleman would not have blown all this up in full view of the community.

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ORIGINAL: Orm

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ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

Well I guess the only question remaining is WHEN? [:)]

I wonder if we get a chance to have this by Christmas? The missus says I'm too hard to buy for. I can make it real easy.

mo reb

It is ready when it is ready. Not a day later nor a day earlier than that. [;)]

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ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

Yeah, hearts of iron. I have 3 and all the expansions except for the latest. It seemed a little limited. TBH, I spent way more time with the first than any of the successors, warts and all.

But, this isn't the reason for this reply. It is a proposition for becoming a Beta Tester for WiF. [gasp]I want to learn WiF and am committed and what better way to see how easy the average Mo can decipher what you have compiled? I've tested other Matrix games, just not of this scope. I have the hardware and the willpower, I just need the chance. Heck, I even have a nifty avatar now thanks to Warspite.

So what say ye Steve (or is it Shannon)?

mo reb

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ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

We had a vote Michael while you were away and it looks like you were overruled and I am in. Now be a nice lad and send me all available material.


My mother told me her biggest wish for me in life was for me to become a WiF beta tester. I guess I'll have to call her and tell her the bad news. It's gonna break her heart I hope you know.


Of course you were probably scared I'd mop you up in my very first ever WiF game. I might not.

mo reb

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ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

We had a vote Michael while you were away and it looks like you were overruled and I am in. Now be a nice lad and send me all available material.


My mother told me her biggest wish for me in life was for me to become a WiF beta tester. I guess I'll have to call her and tell her the bad news. It's gonna break her heart I hope you know.


Of course you were probably scared I'd mop you up in my very first ever WiF game. I might not.

mo reb

warspite1

Mo Reb, why not send a PM to Steve, see what he thinks. Might be worth a try.

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warspite1

This is bizarre.

1) I am giving a high level view on WIF - not MWIF. The counters I am describing are as per WIF.

2) If my passing a positive opinion on the MWIF maps, that Steve has agreed may be posted, is against my NDA then you got me "bang to rights".
3) Just curious, but why you are bringing this up now rather than the numerous times the map has been mentioned before (and commented upon by some of the Beta Testers - see below for just one example?

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ORIGINAL: Cad908

Mo Reb,

Here is a link to the final edition rules with the examples included. The one on ADG's website for some reason does not include the graphics. It was done by a fan, and I would give credit if I knew his / her name.

http://manlig.org/wif/RaW-7mAug2004.pdf

This RAW forms the basis of the game.

Two other documents:

1) Rules as Coded (RAC) Some 98% of RAC is directly from RAW. It provides clarifications to the rules and the transition form a paper game to the computer one.
Players Manual (PM) Details sequence of play and all the forms used in MWIF, along with many other goodies are part of MWIF... The timing of their release is up to Matrix.


-Rob

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Slurs and innuendoes
warspite1
Goodbye cruel world
The Matrix police

Empire101
We found the secret protocols of the NDA on the body of the Paradox secret agent in the lake.... Its all over...
By the way, who appointed you to police this forum??

paulderynck
You have absolutely no idea how much your approval of what I wrote means to me.

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ORIGINAL: Empire101

1) Slurs and innuendoes??!!

Who is this aimed at??

Everyone has been more than polite.

2) If anyone needs to apologize, its you for getting the wrong end of the stick, and saying you are sorry to Warspite.

3) By the way, who appointed you to police this forum??

4) All of this nonsense should have been done by PM between Warspite, Steve & yourself ( if there ever was any basis for your accusations, which there are not )....a gentleman would not have blown all this up in full view of the community.

Empire101

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ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

We had a vote Michael while you were away and it looks like you were overruled and I am in. Now be a nice lad and send me all available material.

My mother told me her biggest wish for me in life was for me to become a WiF beta tester. I guess I'll have to call her and tell her the bad news. It's gonna break her heart I hope you know.

Of course you were probably scared I'd mop you up in my very first ever WiF game. I might not.

mo reb

warspite1

Mo Reb, why not send a PM to Steve, see what he thinks. Might be worth a try.

Ah, the man has his health to deal with and enough on his plate. I won't pester him.

But thanks warspite. I thought it a good idea.

mo reb

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paulderynck
You have absolutely no idea how much your approval of what I wrote means to me.


Yes I do paulderynck.

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ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

Let cooler heads prevail.

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ORIGINAL: Extraneous

4) I am not a Noble, a member of the landed gentry, a man of independent means, or a valet.

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: Missouri_Rebel

We had a vote Michael while you were away and it looks like you were overruled and I am in. Now be a nice lad and send me all available material.

My mother told me her biggest wish for me in life was for me to become a WiF beta tester. I guess I'll have to call her and tell her the bad news. It's gonna break her heart I hope you know.

Of course you were probably scared I'd mop you up in my very first ever WiF game. I might not.

mo reb

warspite1

Mo Reb, why not send a PM to Steve, see what he thinks. Might be worth a try.

Ah, the man has his health to deal with and enough on his plate. I won't pester him.

But thanks warspite. I thought it a good idea.

mo reb

warspite1

So where did you end up mo reb on your plans to learn the game?