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Trifler -> Infantry and Transport Types (8/22/2012 10:20:56 AM)

Infantry

Infantry normally have a movement range of 1 on mountainous terrain. Statistics displayed in brackets in the game are for counterattacks only.

Wehrmacht Inf – General issue German infantry. They are highly mobile with a movement range of 3.

Grenadier – Equipped with heavier weapons, they can put up a better fight against hard targets and have slightly higher initiative. They can also shoot back for minimal damage when attacked by aircraft. The main downside is their slower movement range of 2.

Fallschirmjager – Paratroopers can deploy from airplanes. However, they lose this ability if they are assigned vehicular transports. They’re excellent against soft targets, have a movement range of 3, and have high initiative. In addition, they receive a bonus when attacking forts.

Gebirgsjager – Mountaineers can move over mountain terrain without any movement penalty. However, like other infantry, if they are assigned vehicular transports they lose the ability to move on mountain terrain at all. They have a movement range of 3.

Pioniere – Although statistically similar to Grenadiers, these infantry are armed with flamethrowers, which allow them to ignore enemy entrenchment bonuses (flame tanks also get this bonus). This makes them very effective at attacking cities and forts. In addition, they can clear minefields in one turn. They have a movement range of 2.

Bruckenpioniere – When these Bridging units stop on a river, they form a temporary bridge allowing your other units to cross for as long as the Bridging unit remains there. They have a movement range of 2.

Kavallerie – Fairly outdated for modern combat, cavalry units can be used in a reconnaissance capacity to some extent. They have a view range of 3 and a movement range of 5.

Kradschutzen – Motorcycle infantry are similar to cavalry. The main differences are: they are faster, have better defense, have higher initiative, and can counterattack for minimal damage against air units. Unlike cavalry, they require fuel. Their movement type is Wheeled, so they have a much harder time moving over rough terrain. They have a view range of 3 and a movement range of 8.

Bersaglieri - Afrika Corps Only. These are the only Italian infantry worth their salt. Compared with Wehrmacht Infantry, they have +1 to Ammo, Soft Attack, and Hard Attack, but -1 to Ground Defense. They have a movement range of 3. Unfortunately, the Italians don't have half-track transports so they can only use trucks.

Alpini - Afrika Corps Only. These Italian Mountaineers are very similar to their German counterpart. They have +1 to Ammo, Ground Defense, and Air Defense, but -1 to Initiative. Since Mountaineers typically don't use transports, the lack of half-tracks isn't an issue here.

Saharan Infantry - Afrika Corps Only. These Italian infantry cannot be purchased directly. You get them by first purchasing a Sahariana Recon vehicle. It carries Saharan Infantry and they can dismount/remount during a mission using the "Switch Mode" button. They have the same stats as Bersaglieri, except they get a Spotting range of 3. The Sahariana's movement type is All Terrain, making these the only Italian infantry with good off-road transportation.

Rangers - Allied Corps Only. Unique to the United States, these are essentially "US HW Inf 43" with -1 Soft Attack, +1 Initiative, and a movement range of 3. The SE Rangers get +1 to Soft Attack, but are otherwise identical. If you use a unit of Rangers though, that +1 Soft Attack is nice to have.

SAS - Allied Corps Only. These are elite (cannot be purchased) British Paratroopers. Compared with "43 British Paras" they get +1 to Soft Attack, but are otherwise identical. As with all paratroopers, they lose their ability to deploy from airplanes if they are given vehicular transports.

Commando - Allied Corps Only. These are basically elite (cannot be purchased) "43 British HW" infantry with +1 to Max Ammo, Soft Attack, and Movement. Commandos and SE Rangers (not regular Rangers) simply reverse their Soft Attack and Hard Attack, and are otherwise the same, except for the transports they have access to.

SE Airborne - Allied Corps Only. I'm listing this unit as a warning. These are supposed to be elite (cannot be purchased) US Airborne infantry. Unfortunately, they're very inferior to "US Airborne 43" infantry. Most significantly, they lose their Hard Attack. No option to upgrade is available. Therefore, this SE unit should be avoided, unless it changes in a future patch.


Transports

Transports are optional and are available to infantry and towed units. When moving a distance that the unit could normally move without the transports, they will remain dismounted and the transports follow behind. When moving a longer distance, the unit will mount the transports until the next turn. While in the transports, any enemy attacks will encounter the statistics of the transports themselves, not of the the unit being transported. It's also important to note that transports cannot be loaded onto airplanes and they cannot travel on mountain terrain at all. Thus, infantry with transports lose those two abilities. Unfortunately all transport upgrades are full price.

Opel Blitz – These transport trucks are the cheapest transport vehicles at only 50 prestige. They greatly increase mobility with a movement range of 8. They’re unarmed so they will not shoot back if attacked. Their movement type is Wheeled and they are Soft targets.

SdKfz 251/1 – These transport vehicles are half-tracks and cost 100 prestige. They’re not quite as fast on roads, having a movement range of 6, but they can go further than trucks when off-road. Do not underestimate their off-road capabilities. Any time there is no road, a half-track will move further than a truck. They are minimally armed. They have some basic armor giving them slightly more protection and they count as Hard targets.

SdKfz 250/1 – These half-tracks cost 200 prestige. The only difference from the previous half-track is that they have a movement range of 8. Although expensive, you don't have to worry about upgrading again.

SdKfz 7 – The only transport available for the largest towed artillery and AA. It’s an unarmed half-track and has a movement range of 6. Fortunately its price isn't overly high at 70 prestige.

Allied Corps:

Lorry - The British equivalent to the Opel Blitz. It's most likely a Bedford QLD, for those who want to look it up on Wikipedia, but U.S. built trucks were also used in great numbers by British forces. It costs 50 prestige.

Bren Carrier - Equivalent to the SdKfz 251/1 above. Although its movement type is Half-Track in the game, the Bren Carrier was fully tracked in real life. It costs 100 prestige.

Kangaroo - While the Germans get a faster half-track with the SdKfz 250/1, the British go a different route. The Kangaroo only has a movement range of 5, but its movement type is Tracked, allowing it to traverse rough terrain with ease. It's also the only well armored transport. It costs 200 prestige.

Quad - A 4WD car used for towing the QF 25 pounder artillery. It's very similar to the Lorry, but its movement type is All-Terrain and it costs 80 prestige. Nicknamed the "Quad", its actual name was the Morris C8. Oddly only one unit in the game can use this transport.

Matador - A larger truck/lorry for towing the heavier towed guns. Statistically it is identical to the Lorry except it has a tad bit more fuel. The Matador was manufactured by AEC. It costs 50 prestige.

Truck - Statistically the same as the Opel Blitz and Bedford QLD in the game. The U.S. had three manufacturers (GMC, Studebaker/Reo, and International Harvester) building nearly identical trucks (all were 6WD 2 1/2 ton trucks with rear tandem axles) to fill the same role. Thus, a generic name is actually fitting here, although "Deuce" would have been a better fit ("Deuce" was a nickname given to all 2 1/2 ton 6x6 trucks). The Opel Blitz and the Bedford QLD were 4-wheeled (single rear axle), and thus were not "Deuces".

M3 Halftrack This half-track has the movement range of the SpKfz 250/1, with the price of the SpKfz 251/1, making it seem overpowered since in reality the U.S. half-tracks were not superior to German half-tracks (although the U.S. did build larger quantities of logistics vehicles). In addition, this speed demon is used by even the heaviest towed guns, giving non-self-propelled U.S. forces an advantage in maneuverability.


Towed

Towed units only have a movement range of 1 on their own, so they essentially require transports in order to be effective. Their extreme reliance on transports means that while they can fire and then move without difficulty, they can rarely move and then fire. On the other hand, towed units tend to have larger and more powerful guns than self-propelled versions.

Afrika Corps - Virtually all of the Italian towed units have identical stats compared with the German versions, with nothing larger than what a truck can pull. Unfortunately, they do not have access to half-track transports, which is a painful limitation, especially with all the desert terrain.


Anti-Air

At first glance, it appears that AA simply gets better as time goes on. However, I'd like to note a few things.

2 cm FlaK 38 - This single-barrel 2 cm (20 mm) auto-cannon is clearly the weakest option available. It has a range of 2 and 11 damage.

2 cm Flakvierling 38 - This is a quad-barrel version of the 2 cm FlaK 38. It fires the same shells, but a whole lot more of them. This AA weapon is unique in being highly effective against any soft target that attacks it. It has a range of 2 and 13 damage.

3.7 cm FlaK 37 - Another auto-cannon that fires much larger shells. It has higher Initiative than the 2 cm models. It has a range of 2 and 14 damage.

8.8 cm FlaK 36 - This cannon fires shells designed to explode in the air and distribute clouds of shrapnel. The word "flak" in English originated from this weapon. This weapon is able to switch into a ground firing mode to fire at enemy vehicles. It has a range of 3 and 18 damage. If you're going to use a towed AA gun, this is the one to use.

All of the above AA weapons are towed, but there are also half-tracks that have the above weapons mounted on them.

SdKfz 10/4 - This is a 2 cm FlaK 38 mounted in the back of a SdKfz 250/1 half-track. Being the weakest AA gun, it's easy to dismiss it, but this one has a movement range of 8. No other self-propelled AA vehicle can move as far.

SdKfz 7/1 - A 2 cm Flakvierling 38 mounted in the back of a SdKfz 251/1 half-track. It has a movement range of 5.

SdKfz 7/2 - A 3.7 cm FlaK 37 mounted in the back of a SdKfz 251/1 half-track. The most powerful of the half-track mounted AA weapons and the most powerful self-propelled German AA gun until 1944.

The choice often comes down to towing the slow but powerful 8.8 cm FlaK 36, using the moderately fast SdKfz 7/1 or 7/2, or the speedy SdKfz 10/4. Still another option is to tow a 3.7 cm FlaK 37 with a SdKfz 250/1 half-track for 8 movement, but most would consider the 8.8 cm with 6 movement a better choice at that point.

In the late game, the Germans have tracked versions of these same three auto-cannons. For whatever reason, the Germans did not field a self-propelled AA version of the 8.8 cm, even though they used it on several self-propelled AT vehicles.

Crusader AA - Allied Corps Only. This self-propelled AA is similar to the SdKfz 7/2, except that its movement type is Tracked, giving it even better off-road performance, as well as having more armor.




jwduquette1 -> RE: Infantry and Transport Types (9/12/2012 7:52:45 PM)

Nice info Trifler. Thanks. I've been buying only Pioneer and Grenadier Infantry. I didn't realize that the Gebirgsjager and regular Wehrmacht infantry could move 3 instead of 2; Or, that that the SdKfz 250/1 could move 8 instead of 6.

Just got Afrika Korps and instantly got sucked into it. I Played the old series years ago and really enjoyed it. It's nice to see and play this face-lifted version of PG. It's Still a very fun game to play solo.




Trifler -> RE: Infantry and Transport Types (9/12/2012 11:23:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jwduquette1

Nice info Trifler. Thanks. I've been buying only Pioneer and Grenadier Infantry. I didn't realize that the Gebirgsjager and regular Wehrmacht infantry could move 3 instead of 2; Or, that that the SdKfz 250/1 could move 8 instead of 6.

Just got Afrika Korps and instantly got sucked into it. I Played the old series years ago and really enjoyed it. It's nice to see and play this face-lifted version of PG. It's Still a very fun game to play solo.



Thanks. There are a lot of questions about infantry so I decided to write this and put all the answers in one place.




AceDuceTrey -> RE: Infantry and Transport Types (9/13/2012 8:16:35 PM)

I am guessing that the double cost of the 250/1 is because this "bob-tail" 251/1 halftrack could only transport half of a squad. If this is the case, then the British Bren should also cost 200. Halftracks can also be used in "mounted" attacks. The SdKfz 7 was Germany's medium hauler (tracked truck); and primemover for the 150mm howitzer. The heavy hauler was the SdKfz 8 and used for the 150/170mm gun and larger.
Some more considerations for the next version of PC:
- ALL towed artillery (field, AT, AA) came (in non-fortress) divisions with transport vehicles/wagons; usually animal (horse, oxen, mule) drawn; I would suggest a movement rate of 3. This should be the "default" transport (instead of none) and included in the unit cost. You could then upgrade to better transports.
- Only arty with bore size 75mm/3" were light enough to be man-handled for a movement of 1.
- ALL infantry would immediately dismount their transports when brought under direct fire/air attacks (range 0), infantry in armored carriers would remain mounted only in indirect, artillery fire.




Trifler -> RE: Infantry and Transport Types (9/22/2012 10:52:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: AceDuceTrey

I am guessing that the double cost of the 250/1 is because this "bob-tail" 251/1 halftrack could only transport half of a squad. If this is the case, then the British Bren should also cost 200. Halftracks can also be used in "mounted" attacks. The SdKfz 7 was Germany's medium hauler (tracked truck); and primemover for the 150mm howitzer. The heavy hauler was the SdKfz 8 and used for the 150/170mm gun and larger.
Some more considerations for the next version of PC:
- ALL towed artillery (field, AT, AA) came (in non-fortress) divisions with transport vehicles/wagons; usually animal (horse, oxen, mule) drawn; I would suggest a movement rate of 3. This should be the "default" transport (instead of none) and included in the unit cost. You could then upgrade to better transports.
- Only arty with bore size 75mm/3" were light enough to be man-handled for a movement of 1.
- ALL infantry would immediately dismount their transports when brought under direct fire/air attacks (range 0), infantry in armored carriers would remain mounted only in indirect, artillery fire.


Suggestions for the game don't really belong in this thread, and the devs will likely never see it here.




AceDuceTrey -> RE: Infantry and Transport Types (9/27/2012 5:16:17 AM)

It's Okay, I've made alot of other suggestions in the other threads and they are ignored too.




Trifler -> RE: Infantry and Transport Types (9/27/2012 8:13:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: AceDuceTrey

It's Okay, I've made alot of other suggestions in the other threads and they are ignored too.


I've never seen a Dev post on these forums. Ever. The best you can hope for is that they read them.




Trifler -> RE: Infantry and Transport Types (2/25/2013 12:08:07 PM)

Added some Anti-Air info.




Dragoon -> RE: Infantry and Transport Types (2/25/2013 3:36:47 PM)

Good work!
May I suggest to include the Italian Sahariana recon unit from Africa Corps? I find them to be on of the coolest units to have. The recon unit itself it's nothing special but they can dismount and become Sahariana infantry with the following stats.
3 movement, 3 spotting!!!, 2 initiative, 5 Soft attack, 2 hard attack, 7 ground defense, 2 close defense. That is pretty much equal to Wehr. Inf. but with 3 spotting, +1 soft attack and -1 ground defense. An oversight by the devs cause them to carry over their current ammo count when dismounting. So while as Inf. unit the max ammo is 7 they will still hold any excessive ammo they had as vehicle (max ammo 45). :D




Razz -> RE: Infantry and Transport Types (2/26/2013 3:15:34 AM)

The AT and AA mod has transports for all countries and the units they carry are restricted. This includes several types of horses

http://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=147&t=30721




Trifler -> RE: Infantry and Transport Types (2/26/2013 6:38:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Dragoon

Good work!
May I suggest to include the Italian Sahariana recon unit from Africa Corps? I find them to be on of the coolest units to have. The recon unit itself it's nothing special but they can dismount and become Sahariana infantry with the following stats.
3 movement, 3 spotting!!!, 2 initiative, 5 Soft attack, 2 hard attack, 7 ground defense, 2 close defense. That is pretty much equal to Wehr. Inf. but with 3 spotting, +1 soft attack and -1 ground defense. An oversight by the devs cause them to carry over their current ammo count when dismounting. So while as Inf. unit the max ammo is 7 they will still hold any excessive ammo they had as vehicle (max ammo 45). :D


Added.

If the infantry dismount and gain xp, does the Sahariana get the xp when they remount?




Dragoon -> RE: Infantry and Transport Types (2/26/2013 8:20:09 AM)

Yes, they are in that regard as any other multipurpose unit like 88 AA/AT or StugIV AT/Arty for example.

Edit. I should add that the Sahariana cost only 158 presige and as recon units has an all-terrain sequel movement of 8. Compared with Bersaglieri which cost 131 + 50 (181 prestige) for the truck which has only standard wheeled movement of 8 and can't defend itself makes Sahariana extremely overpowered. Only down side there is no '43 upgrade.




Trifler -> RE: Infantry and Transport Types (9/23/2013 2:02:25 PM)

Added some Allied Corps info.




McGuba -> RE: Infantry and Transport Types (4/15/2014 12:32:41 PM)

There is some good info here, again. It would be nice, though, to add the different special traits, too. For example, Fallschirmjäger has fortkiller trait and Pioniere has fortkiller, military engineer, and minesweeper traits.




Trifler -> RE: Infantry and Transport Types (4/15/2014 11:16:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: McGuba

There is some good info here, again. It would be nice, though, to add the different special traits, too. For example, Fallschirmjäger has fortkiller trait and Pioniere has fortkiller, military engineer, and minesweeper traits.



Ok. I mentioned the fort killing bonus with the Fallschirmjäger and the minesweeper bonus with the Pioniere. The military engineer bonus was already there. Thanks for the comments.




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