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Pelton -> RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 (7/14/2012 8:00:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Gorforlin Hmm, supplies were nerfed last patch? Someone forgot to tell Pelton? I heard MT whining about it, but no effect on how I play.

Pelton -> RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 (7/16/2012 1:14:21 PM)
Turn 7 German Arm PTs in pool= German Manpower in pool= Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = Russian Units Destroyed during 1942 = Russian losses this turn: 220,000 Total dead: 1,335,000 Russian OOB: 4,333,000 A net gain of: -50,000 men Russian units currently in a pocket: 48 total units in the bag, 30 units in the center pocket which was made this turn. GHC OOB: 3,377,000 GHC net OOB change: +17,000 With the center pocket tight and with Russian reinforcements being very light for the coming 3 turns, ( remember to take your sweet time clearing out the pocketed units from turn 1) I should have allot of freedom of movement the next 4 turns. My tactics and supply tactics have come full circle. The things I did before 1.04, which were outdated by patches 1.04 - 1.06 are now again the best way to go as German. Turns 4 - 7 when supplies for most in center and south are low are the critical turns. This sets the table for the rest of the summer. Moscow on turn 12 is totally possible. I spent allot of AP on reorganizing this turn, but still have a bunch left over for coming chains. My tank numbers are down, but with SHC weakened the less tanks, the less supplies and fuel required to exploit the next 4 turns. Around turn 11 or 12 I will take a break and refit. Tanks are pilling up in the pool, which is right where I want them the next 4 turns. The penalties that were added to “hurt” allot of movement by mech units simply helps my play style. Looks to be far to many Russian troops in the north . Bobo has some huge decisions to make this turn. AGN: 18th, 16th and 4th PG reposition, refit and HQ up. I basically have 3 options. Planes have rested and 1 PZ Corp is in position for an HQ next turn so I should be able to do a 3 turn chain starting next turn . I have 3 options for the coming chain. Push north to Leningrad Right hook to seal of Leningrad Push in center towards Moscow No pictures on AGN for a few turns, top secret ect ect

Pelton -> RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 (7/16/2012 1:16:31 PM)
AGC: Infantry smash through the Russian lines just south of Smolensk and AGC links up with AGS. The Corp that was put in AGS on turn one returns to AGC. I have rested my planes and this turn they deliver tons of supplies to the mech units. One HQ build up is done. From recon there is very little between AGC and Moscow, but this can change quickly as many units can be railed around by SHC, but that has its limiting factors. [image]local://upfiles/20387/BABE6730EE8D4538BA26CBBB247D54CE.jpg[/image]

Pelton -> RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 (7/16/2012 1:18:11 PM)
AGS: 1 PG drives north completely sealing a large pocket of 33+ units. Massive amounts of supplies are air lifted into 1st PZ. Options next turn are drive east or drive south east. The south eastern drive is probably the best option as I can HQ up next turn, but if another huge pocket presents itself I will take that option. Also in the river bend Russian lines are broken and a small break through unsetting the lines. I am setting a trap not sure if Bobo will take the bait, but thats my 3rd option. Almost forgot, 11th army punchs a small hole in the lines which will cause a with drawal to the next river line. Not much down here so just a little forse of a few mech regiments is more then enough to cause a with drawal by SHC and keep the lines moving east. Odessa is still holding out, which is grapes to be picked when the time comes. [image]local://upfiles/20387/9A774688D3504E2898823BA8AB7D3A15.jpg[/image]

Pelton -> RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 (7/17/2012 4:27:22 PM)
Turn 8 German Arm PTs in pool= German Manpower in pool= Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = Russian Units Destroyed during 1942 = Russian losses this turn: 235,000 Total dead: 1,570,000 Russian OOB: 4,272,000 A net gain of: -51,000 men Russian units currently in a pocket: 21 GHC OOB: 3,400,000 GHC net OOB change: +33,000 Of the 106 infantry divisions in the German Army 103 have 90% + TOE. Mot all 17 are above 85%. PZ divisions who cares, Several are in great shape, but most are MoT infantry at this point. I have 500 tanks saved up in pool to refit the better ones once Moscow gets a little closer. AGN: 1st Corp crushes the Russian lines west of the Ilmen rivers and 4th PZ crosses the Ilmen rivers. One corp pockets 6 Russian divisions. The right hook has begun. The railhead is close by and every single infantry division in AGC has close to 100% toe. [image]local://upfiles/20387/CF61DDA20C074B9E9F1685AAE558D241.jpg[/image]

Pelton -> RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 (7/17/2012 4:30:31 PM)
AGC: Clears out most of he big center pocket. PZ divisions get in position for HQ build-ups. Infantry are still marching to front. [image]local://upfiles/20387/8BE3F09862EA4E7994B88EA23510C353.jpg[/image]

Pelton -> RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 (7/17/2012 4:31:21 PM)
AGS: keeps pushing east 1st PZ moves south to get in position to drive south east. 11th army cracks another river line. [image]local://upfiles/20387/92C75B64C8A9488BAE2076FEB69F6FBF.jpg[/image]

Pelton -> RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 (7/19/2012 1:38:03 AM)
Turn 9 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db40S82sqic&feature=related German Arm PTs in pool= German Manpower in pool= Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = Russian Units Destroyed during 1942 = Russian losses this turn: 118,000 Total dead: 1,688,000 Russian OOB: 4,332,000 A net gain of: +60,000 men Russian units currently in a pocket: 12 GHC OOB: 3,436,000 GHC net OOB change: +36,000 1/2 way and Bobo is proving to be a good SHC player. He has made zero mistakes. The only thing giving me hope was the 2 turn chain that pocketed 33 units. I have started 3 chains this turn and have enough ap to do the 2nd round next turn. One in each AG. Hopefully at least 2 pan out, 3 would be great! Zero a disaster. Even game so far. Its crunch time now no more running hehehe. One very good thing is GHC has 103 of 106 infantry divisions with TOE of +90% Mot divisions are all above 85% TOE. Fighting has been really light so far only 227,000 men KIA. My tank numbers are at 2107 with only 1350 rdy hehehe like I care. I have 171 PZ II/35/38,PZ III 122, PZIV 81 and Stug 109 in the pool. 484 tanks in the pool. These will be funneled into 2nd and 3rd PZ army’s. I am in as good a shape as possible to start some hvy fighting for Leningrad and grind towards Moscow. AGN: 1st Corp and 4th PG drive 50 miles NE. 1 HQ build-up is done. 3 divisions are pocketed 70 miles to cut rail link and 120 to the port. Cutting the rail link will weaken SHC forces enough so they can easly be over run. Done it more then a few times. [image]local://upfiles/20387/12B87822F0D74999BA5B0B7B3D0D9984.jpg[/image]

Pelton -> RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 (7/19/2012 1:39:00 AM)
AGC: Pushes 60 miles closer to Moscow, pockets 5 divisions, does 1 HQB and pushes past the river defenses east of Smolensk. GHC has started grinding also. I think I have figured out how Jamian was doing it. I will post info in my war room thread. Its working so far. The pay-off should be around turn 14. 140 miles to Moscow. [image]local://upfiles/20387/7205CD4356B14CD9A6D217721F343D53.jpg[/image]

Pelton -> RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 (7/19/2012 1:39:43 AM)
AGS: Pockets 1 division, does 1 HQB and starts the drive for Rostov. Did allot of air drops also so I am hoping for a pocket unless Bobo cuts and runs for Stalingrad. If he does 1/2 of 1st PG will head for Moscow. Looks like I am forsing him to drain the south of everything he can. If the chain works out 1 Corp of PZ should be able to head to Moscow by turn 14 and be able to make a push by turn 16,plus snow turns. 350 miles to AGA. [image]local://upfiles/20387/165C3FF06E0E405585BC10675B4B4A8E.jpg[/image]

Pelton -> RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 (7/26/2012 4:22:06 PM)
Turn 10 German Arm PTs in pool= German Manpower in pool= Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = Russian Units Destroyed during 1942 = Russian losses this turn: 160,000 Total dead: 1,848,000 Russian OOB: 4,302,000 A net gain of: -30,000 men Russian units currently in a pocket: 10 GHC OOB: 3,427,000 GHC net OOB change: -9,000 AGN: 1st Corp and 4th PG drive 40 miles N. 1 HQ build-up is done. 30 miles to cut rail link and 80 to the port. Should not need any more build ups both head quarters are flooded with fuel and not far from railheas so I should have 40+ Mp’s until I turn SE. Set a trap on this turn. Whenever GHC does a 1 hex wide push SHC does the rifle blob around it and then checker board around that. I will have 40+ Mp's on all panzer units and 12 infantry are in the bubble. So I am banking on a major breakout that will lead to a thrust to link with Fins and or a thrust to Moscow. [image]local://upfiles/20387/91216EE17EF14EF59E0754CC309047DE.jpg[/image]

Pelton -> RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 (7/26/2012 4:27:55 PM)
AGC: Pushes 60 miles east and 40 miles closer to Moscow, 1 HQB is done this should be enough to get were I want to be by turn 12. 8 divisions will have more then enough fuel for the next 3 turns. I had an amazing amount of ****ty die rolls or I would have broken out this turn. GG effect hehehe. I can limit it but not completely negate it. The Battel for Moscow begins next turn. [image]local://upfiles/20387/8985AAB0692C47B5B32C7C73A67D5F32.jpg[/image]

Pelton -> RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 (7/26/2012 4:29:41 PM)
AGS: Breaks out and drives 140 miles. The 4 pz units that broke the lines do a HQB. So for the next 3 turns with air drops 1st PG will have about 110 Mps +/- 13 mp’s. ASAP 6 units from 1st PG will head north to Moscow. I keep 2 Corp HQ, but only 4 divisions and 1 regiment, should be more then enough to get to Rostov. IF everything goes as planned. [image]local://upfiles/20387/53C14F2D7EEF44AD8C29E6DE73246048.jpg[/image]

Walloc -> RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 (7/26/2012 4:29:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pelton Mot divisions are all above 85% TOE. Fighting has been really light so far only 227,000 men KIA. My tank numbers are at 2107 with only 1350 Do u mean KIA or overall losses? Cuz 227k KIA at turn 9 sounds like an awfull lot. Kind regards, Rasmus

Pelton -> RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 (7/26/2012 4:56:16 PM)
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Pelton -> RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 (7/27/2012 3:28:32 AM)
Turn 11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz3Cc7wlfkI&feature=related German Arm PTs in pool= German Manpower in pool= Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = Russian Units Destroyed during 1942 = Russian losses this turn: 83,000 Total dead: 1,931,000 Russian OOB: 4,367,000 A net gain of: 65,000 men Russian units currently in a pocket: 10 GHC OOB: 3,429,000 GHC net OOB change: 2,000 The triple threat chain appears to be pushing the SHC to the breaking point. AGN: Breaks out and cuts rail lines to Leningrad. This move basicly removes 50+ units from the summer campiagn as SHC will have to try and get them out. Probably more units will have to be pulled from other areas to save this units from being pocketed. This move also opens the option of 4th PG by turn 13 heading south for the assault on Moscow. At this point the infantry can finish the show. I need a few turns to cut the rail lines to east some more so it will take at least 4 turns to march his troops out heheh, [image]local://upfiles/20387/7E137EEE036647B28E3D2AAFB5283F59.jpg[/image]

Pelton -> RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 (7/27/2012 3:30:35 AM)
AGC: Panzers punch a hole over the river sw of Moscow and flip some hexes. 6 gassed up PZ units roll over the river. German infantry start grinding Russian units with 20 battles ending in routes. Moscow is now only 50 miles away, nothing can stop the Wehrmacht now. [image]local://upfiles/20387/FD44DF2C3444458E8B27A31397CEFF79.jpg[/image]

Pelton -> RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 (7/27/2012 3:31:19 AM)
AGS: Bobo does a good job contoling this chain. I do a large 8 division HQB next turn and roll the south as infantry will be on line for this offensive. [image]local://upfiles/20387/56404AB1DB5247C98A6243EE29D3A11B.jpg[/image]

Pelton -> RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 (7/28/2012 2:28:34 AM)
Turn 12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPz_eTg3UIE German Arm PTs in pool= German Manpower in pool= Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = Russian Units Destroyed during 1942 = Russian losses this turn: 96,000 Total dead: 2,027,000 Russian OOB: 4,423,000 A net gain of: 62,000 men Russian units currently in a pocket: 7 GHC OOB: 3,409,000 GHC net OOB change: -20,000 I hope to have all but 2 PZ Corp (one in N and one in S) attacking Moscow by turn 15 from 3 sides. I have my blizzard defensive lines mapped out basically at this point. AGN: Drives forward and is only 20 miles from closing a large pocket. I am hoping to release 1 panzer Corp on turn 14. Several infantry Corp are starting to drive SE. Iy would have been nice to have pocketed 40 to 50 more units up here, but they basiclly are none factors and have been removed from the game until atleast after snow. [image]local://upfiles/20387/438268D68A254BD8A8EC46BA3DC59623.jpg[/image]

Pelton -> RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 (7/28/2012 2:31:48 AM)
AGC: 1 HQB 60 miles from Moscow. Infantry grind forward and panzer units open up bridge head 3 infantry divisions are across. All panzer units will have 40+ Mp next turn with other HQ in place. Don’t think I need to use one until turn 15 because rail heads are close. Smashed right through 2 defensive lines then smoked the river line heheh. My tank game has always been good, but now I really have the infantry grinding down. Moscow head on NP :) [image]local://upfiles/20387/686E62381950496396BEBFA70B42F012.jpg[/image]

Pelton -> RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 (7/28/2012 2:33:17 AM)
AGS: 2 HQB and air dropped on the other panzer divisions. I did a raid as in the north to get SHC to do a general pull back. At this point I think I will drive south one more turn then head north to sweep front with 7 panzer divisions and leave 4 to take Rostov. [image]local://upfiles/20387/A9E8ACB0B97C424D91F81131DA37397A.jpg[/image]

Pelton -> RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 (7/28/2012 3:13:35 AM)
AGN: I guess I can keep pushing east along rail line and then during mud turns the SHC units will lose morale and men every turn for being out of supply.

hfarrish -> RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 (7/28/2012 3:15:23 AM)
Glad you didn't do that in our game, the thought of it caused me a cold sweat. I'd like to think you are doing it here b/c you realized you should have done it to me!

Pelton -> RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 (7/28/2012 3:19:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hfarrish Glad you didn't do that in our game, the thought of it caused me a cold sweat. I'd like to think you are doing it here b/c you realized you should have done it to me! The grinding? That can't generally start until turn 10 and only in center in 41. Possible by Leningrad also, but generally never needed

hfarrish -> RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 (7/28/2012 3:24:19 AM)
No, the cutoff of more significant amounts of the sole Leningrad rail line...anyway, a discussion for a different forum.

Pelton -> RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 (7/28/2012 3:25:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hfarrish No, the cutoff of more significant amounts of the sole Leningrad rail line...anyway, a discussion for a different forum. Its nice to get it, but not nessary in the big picture. The cut line is all that matters.

Pelton -> RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 (8/9/2012 11:25:56 PM)
Turn 13 German Arm PTs in pool= German Manpower in pool= Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = Russian Units Destroyed during 1942 = Russian losses this turn: 125,000 Total dead: 2,150,000 Russian OOB: 4,430,000 A net gain of: 7,000 men Russian units currently in a pocket: 32 and another 30ish in Leningrad. GHC OOB: 3,438,000 GHC net OOB change: 21,000 40 retreats 20 routes 12 helds 3 surrenders 1 shatter 64 wins 12 loses. Out of 103 German infantry divisions only 5 have less then 85% TOE, another 8 are below 90% and the other 90 yes 90 divisions have over 90% with just over 1/2 of that above 95%. That’s after combat! Had 20+ routes the last 2 turns. I have several Corp set-up like I Corp in center now. By turn 15 I Corp and another dozen infantry divisions will be driving to Moscow, with 8 panzer divisions. AGN: Looks like SHC will get most of the units out of the northern pocket, but they are none factors until blizzard. As can be seen panzers are moving SE towards Moscow. [image]local://upfiles/20387/D689AFE413AB4B3AB8A0F4090046B18D.jpg[/image]

Pelton -> RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 (8/9/2012 11:26:59 PM)
AGC: I cut off 30 units, should be able to bag them next turn. I grind east through several rows of 2 and 3 lvl forts. Not a single loss and a bunch of routes. I do a build-up but with railhead so close next turn should be smashing. [image]local://upfiles/20387/2AD89FFFEFAC4F78BFB57878B9F03DC5.jpg[/image]

Pelton -> RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 (8/9/2012 11:27:33 PM)
AGS: A good solid breakout, Bobo tactics have been to save units. Which is playing into what I am doing. A little breakout turns into a full SHC retreat. Next turn 2/3 of AGS will head towards Tula. I simply want space and it is coming at a very low cost in the south. [image]local://upfiles/20387/791EA8781D314558BEBEE78E5983A40D.jpg[/image]

Pelton -> RE: Pelton vs 821Bobo 1.06 (8/10/2012 11:08:14 PM)
Turn 14 German Arm PTs in pool= German Manpower in pool= Manpower Pts over run during 1942 = Russian Units After Oct 1941 = Russian losses this turn: 87,000 Total dead: 2,237,000 Russian OOB: 4,510,000 A net gain of: 82,000 men Russian units currently in a pocket: 50 GHC OOB: 3,420,000 GHC net OOB change: -18,000 AGN: Leningrad is cut off now. The big plus is there are 40 divisions out of supply and basically out of the Battle for Moscow by Lake Omega. 4th PZ starts attacking toward Moscow driving 60 miles and a HQB is done, The rail head is only a 50 miles from the front. I Corp is at the front and will start pushing around the weak Russian rifle divisions. 11 other infantry divisions arrive at the point of attack. They should easily be able to link up with AGC and cut Moscow off before mud. [image]local://upfiles/20387/F9DE650CCE5F4C65979F4B0681190C7B.jpg[/image]

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