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terje439 -> Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis. Oloren now permitted. (2/23/2012 1:23:09 PM)

So, a new game against my esteemed opponent Oloren, since I was starting to get the hang on the USSR, swiching sides makes sure I am back to where I was at the start of the previous game [:D]
Settings are the same as in the previous game (FOW (but not movent fog of war), Non-Random weather, non locked HQ support)

Primary Goal - Autovictory/Major Axis Victory
Secondary Goal - Minor Axis Victory with more than 170 points
Tertiary Goal - Hold Berlin


I guess the tertiary is the best bet, but let us see how poorly I can run the Axis.
Any comments are welcome, be it to point out just how incredibly stupid/idiotic/unexpected/supreme(yeah right!) a move I made was.
Feel free to make suggestions, and as usual, if there is a specific screenshot you want to see, just ask and I will see what I can do (I will try to make a pre-end turn save every turn this time around).


Hope atleast some of you will enjoy this AAR.


Terje




terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (2/23/2012 1:29:24 PM)

Turn 1

Overall
Well, I REALLY have no idea as to how I did as my only game with the Axis is one (1] game against weak AI.
I think the first mistake has been made by making too many hasty attacks. All in all a total of 81 attacks were made (more could have been made, but I wanted to make sure the enemy units did not rout out of the pockets I made).

Losses
Axis : 7.000 troops and 70 AFVs.
USSR : 95.000 troops and 923 AFVs.
USSR aerial losses : 1548

Comments on losses
Close to 85% of AFV losses were of the types Pz Ib, PzIIc, Pz 38(t).
I think I destroyed far too few USSR aircrafts in the opening turn.

Cities captured
Tarnopol is taken, but left unguarded for the moment.

Worries
Did I just fail to activate Rumania??



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terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (2/23/2012 1:29:56 PM)

Turn 1 Southern map section



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terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (2/23/2012 1:30:23 PM)

Turn 1 USSR units destroyed



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Baelfiin -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (2/23/2012 1:56:22 PM)

Hi Terje

you will activate the Rumanians with that southern move, however in the center and north it will be a little rough for you.




terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (2/23/2012 2:07:25 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Baelfiin

Hi Terje

you will activate the Rumanians with that southern move, however in the center and north it will be a little rough for you.


Thank you [:)]
Tbh I expect it to be rough all over hehe. I will swing some units northwards in a few turns, I just needed them to complete the "Lvov pocket". Too many failed attacks by the infantry ment I had to used panzer/mechanized units to move some USSR units, leaving me some MPs shy in regards to reaching the Rumanian border.
Was not sure if I had to have a unit further east to activate Rumania, but I take your word for it, atleast something went well on turn 1 then [:D]


Terje




Q-Ball -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (2/23/2012 4:54:17 PM)

I think that Lvov pocket will hold.

He can break a couple pockets west of Minsk

And the AGN opening was not very good, sorry terje. You should have rolled units more than try to pocket them. The AGN opening, you should be able to take Riga, get over the Daugvina with most of your mobile units, and seal-off all Baltic ports forcing the remaining Reds to surrender. You should be able to complete annihilate NW Front.

But AGS was a good opening




terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (2/23/2012 5:24:12 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

I think that Lvov pocket will hold.

He can break a couple pockets west of Minsk

And the AGN opening was not very good, sorry terje. You should have rolled units more than try to pocket them. The AGN opening, you should be able to take Riga, get over the Daugvina with most of your mobile units, and seal-off all Baltic ports forcing the remaining Reds to surrender. You should be able to complete annihilate NW Front.

But AGS was a good opening


Oh well, 1/3 good I can live with [:D]
I realized the mistake when I had posted my turn, but got too scared by those scouted/held results I got I guess. Well, still a few years to get across the river hehe.

I think my biggest challenge will be to adapt to the fact that even if I was hurt in the previous game by loss of units, it might not be the best way to go.

Terje




Flaviusx -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (2/23/2012 6:02:30 PM)

You got the 1/3 that mattered the most by far right. Your errors elsewhere can be repaired, there's plenty of slack for taking Leningrad, and AGC can't really get much past the Smolensk corridor anyways until supply and infantry catches up.

Most of the units of Western and NW front are garbage with ultra low morale. On the Soviet side I treat them as completely expendable and indeed don't really want them to live too long; feeding replacements into 35 morale units is mostly a losing proposition, better that they go into a shell or the reserves.







TulliusDetritus -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (2/23/2012 6:50:50 PM)

Good luck and good hunt, Terje [:)] Don't stop until you get to Vladivostok! No less!




juret -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (2/23/2012 11:31:16 PM)

good luck terje :)

Put pressure by move east asap while your panzers got Benziin in their tanks :)
Hes units are low morale and cant move long.

spread luftwaffe out :)




Tophat1812 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (2/24/2012 6:07:18 AM)


Worrynot terje,I think the slow start with AGN and AGC might be a blessing in disguise. From his own experience with the Germans and in far too many AARs the Axis cut deep on turn one. Let him think he can take advantage of your being new to the Axis and perhaps he'll fight forward. One thing you really need to try for in 41' is taking Leningrad so you free up the north and get those Fins covering ground for you. My 2 cents........and best of luck.




Farfarer -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (2/24/2012 6:32:55 AM)

Rest assured the moments of panic you feel are nothing compared to the existential angst of the Axis player.




terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (2/24/2012 6:58:56 AM)

Thank you all for kind words of encouragement [:)]
We will see how I manage to mess up, I am sure I will find a way [:D]

Plan for -41 : Leningrad, Dnepr Line and if possible Moscow and prepare a fallbackline for the blizzard.

Need to learn : Unless the USSR, the Axis must manage his manpower better, and unlike the USSR in -44 and -45 I cannot keep using all these hasty attacks.

Need to do next turn : Adjust aerial settings BEFORE I fly any missions (only took me close to 10 turns as the USSR to remember this[X(]).


Terje




terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (2/24/2012 7:08:21 AM)

Turn 2

Overall
The infantry start mopping up the pockets that was made on turn 1, and the panzers/mechanized keep pushing. The attacks out of Rumania are a disappointment, but I guess it will be better next turn when deliberate attacks can be made from the east side of the riverline. It also seems the USSR are attempting to make a line far to the west, this I think I like, as the smaller rivers are easier to breach.
I still make too many hasty attacks, I think I need to write "few hasty attacks" on a Post-it and stick it to my screen.
We make 136 attacks, resulting in 2 scouted, 23 held, 59 retreat, 7 rout, 1 shatter and 44 surrenders.

Losses
USSR : 369.000 troops, 5.130 guns, 3.029 AFVs and 380 planes.
Axis : 31.000 troops, 245 guns, 140 AFVs and 44 planes.

Cities captured
Lvov, Brest-Litovsk, Vilnius, Minsk and Riga are all captured. Riga was evacuated, as was most of the river line close to the city, so we simply moved in.

Units destroyed
8 armored divisions, 4 motorized divisions, 24 rifle divisions, 4 AT artillery regiments, 2 corps artillery regiments, 6 PVO AA regiments, 5 NKVD border regiments and 4 fortified regions.

Pools
As in the previous AAR, all numbers are from the "active" pool.
Manpower : 14.204.
Vehicle : 209.819.
Armaments : 90.069.
Hiwi : 5.279.

Plan for next turn
1. Mop up the remaining enemy units that are trapped.
2. Bring up the infantry to assault the enemy positions.
3. Keep encircling enemy units with our panzer/mechanized divisions.
4. Keep pushing east with the Rumanian forces.
5. Keep pushing towards Leningrad with AGN.




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vlcz -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (2/24/2012 8:01:45 AM)

Donīt be so wary of hasty attacks, at this stage when you need speed I would recommend most attacks (and all except river crossing ones made by mobile forces) being hasty ones, even if you need 3 or four such attacks to win that is less movement points than a prepared assault.




terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (2/24/2012 8:44:12 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: vlcz

Donīt be so wary of hasty attacks, at this stage when you need speed I would recommend most attacks (and all except river crossing ones made by mobile forces) being hasty ones, even if you need 3 or four such attacks to win that is less movement points than a prepared assault.


Ok, will not worry SO much about hasty attacks then [:)]

Terje




timmyab -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (2/24/2012 10:42:12 AM)

Hasty attacks are fine but make sure the odds are favorable as much as possible when attacking like this with mobile forces.Get that morale up above 85 and keep it there.This is especially important for the first few months of the war.




terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (2/24/2012 1:05:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: timmyab

Hasty attacks are fine but make sure the odds are favorable as much as possible when attacking like this with mobile forces.Get that morale up above 85 and keep it there.This is especially important for the first few months of the war.


Yup, but I guess I have too easy to take the "printed" pre battle CV ratio too literal.


Terje




smokindave34 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (2/24/2012 1:33:05 PM)

One thing that I find useful in determining when to use a hasty attack is to set your soft factors to "morale". If the Soviet units have low morale then I'm more inclined to use a hasty attack and the Soviet unit is more likely to rout.




terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (2/24/2012 1:43:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: smokindave34

One thing that I find useful in determining when to use a hasty attack is to set your soft factors to "morale". If the Soviet units have low morale then I'm more inclined to use a hasty attack and the Soviet unit is more likely to rout.


Ah! Great tip!! [&o]


Terje




timmyab -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (2/24/2012 4:43:16 PM)

Yes you have to use some intuition on CVs.Don't just take them at face value.Even so there's bound to be the odd setback and other occasions when you'll waste time and men hitting something too hard when a small nudge would have done just as well.Just make sure the morale of your mobile units is heading upwards for the first month or so of the war.The time wasted on hitting defenders too hard will be more than made up in the long run with increased mobility, plus the defenders are more likely to rout or shatter if hit hard.




randallw -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (2/25/2012 4:04:03 AM)

The average German division may have about twice the experience rating of the average Soviet division, in 1941. One German division has a decent chance of knocking back a Soviet division, and two German divisions on a hasty attack will do it unless the defending division is good, with a decent fort level.




terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (2/25/2012 11:22:23 AM)

Turn 3

Overall
Hmm not sure I like the development of the game so far. I am overly aggressive in some of my units and this turn I had to spend precious fuel on reopening the path to two units. My crazed plan of a quick crossing of the Dnepr failed I guess.
We keep mopping up surrounded USSR units, but the main focus now is to reorganize the various corps' and to bring up the infantry. Only 46 attacks were made, scoring 7 held, 23 retreat, 6 rout, 1 shatter and 9 surrenders.

Losses
USSR : 89.000 troops, 989 guns, 1.277 AFVs, 171 aircraft.
Axis : 20.000 troops, 76 guns, 98 AFVs, 96 aircrafts.
One thing I know from my previous game, I need to kill more than 89.000 USSR troops per turn at this time.

Cities Captured
The cities of Kaunas, Rovno, Tarnopol, Chernovtsy and Kishinev all fly the swastika.

Units destroyed
We destroy 3 tank divisions, 2 motorized divisions, 2 rifle divisions, 1 AT artillery brigade, 1 PVO AA regiment and 2 NKVD border regiment this turn.

Pools
Manpower : 14.293.
Vehicle : 210.017
Armaments : 88.494.
Hiwi : 31.565.

Plans for the next turns
-Finish mopping up
-Get the infantry ready to aid the panzer and mechanized untis
-Breach the first USSR line
-Broaden the captured area in the Baltic and advance further north.

Concerns
The manpower and vehicle pools show only a slight growth, and armaments actually took a small dip. Not good, will have to keep an eye on these numbers.





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terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (2/25/2012 4:41:57 PM)

Turn 4

Overall
AGN and AGC is doing ok, AGS is moving slowly. I can live with that if I can break the lines further north I suppose. At the moment our soldiers complain that this is more a manouver exercise than battle. The USSR is falling back to better positions in alot of places, but finally our infantry is catching up and our units are assembling in correct order again.
The only annoyance this turn was that the pocket around Stanislav was temporarily reopened by the USSR, but we resealed it, and am in no real rush to kill of the units there, so we keep only a few divisions behind to deal with this.
40 attacks were made, resulting in 3 held, 22 retreats, 7 rout, 1 shatter and 7 surrender.

Losses
USSR : 71.000 troops, 1.362 guns, 467 AFVs and 232 aircraft.
Axis : 20.000 troops, 87 guns, 128 AFVs and 35 aircraft (AC from now on).

Cities Captured
We take the cities of Tallinn and Stanislav.

Units destroyed
1 motorized division, 2 rifle divisions, 1 NKVD border regiment and 3 fortifed regions are destroyed as out troops march on east.

Pools
Manpower : 22.805.
Vehicle : 203.703.
Armaments 76.153.
Hiwi : 37.682.
We are bleeding vehicles and armaments [:(]

Concerns
The dwindling vehicle and armaments pools.





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gingerbread -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (2/25/2012 5:05:58 PM)

Your units start the scenario short on vehicles (see below), so it's not a trend (yet!).

ARM is another matter - what TOE settings do you have for your Art SU:s?



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terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (2/25/2012 5:17:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: gingerbread

Your units start the scenario short on vehicles (see below), so it's not a trend (yet!).

ARM is another matter - what TOE settings do you have for your Art SU:s?







ARGH! Knew I forgot something. That is it, they are still at 100% [8|]

Terje




terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (2/26/2012 8:08:22 AM)

Turn 5

Overall
The infantry finally arrives at the front, which will allow us to attempt to force a crossing of the major rivers north of the Pripjet. If we manage this in force, this should take some pressure off AGS as well as the USSR will have to either stand his ground in the south and risk losing about half his army or fall back. We manage 59 attacks this turn, scoring 2 held, 34 retreat, 7 rout, 2 shatter and 14 surrender. We also remembered to lower the TOE of our arty units this turn, let us hope this will reduce the drain in our armaments pool.

Losses
USSR : 102.000 troops, 1.511 guns, 661 AFVs and 66 AC.
Axis : 23.000 troops, 124 guns, 111 AFVs, 27 planes.

Cities Captures
Proskurov and Viborg were taken by our forces, although Viborg might be retaken by the USSR next turn as we did not have the MP to move any units into the city.

Units destroyed
2 Tank divisions, 3 rifle divisions, 4 mountain divisions, 1 AT artillery brigade, 1 motorcycle regiment, 2 NKVD border regiments, 3 PVO AA battalions, 6 fortified regions were destroyed this turn.

Pools
Manpower : 25.759.
Vehicle : 194.101.
Armaments : 75.837.
Hiwi : 42.611.

Concerns
I am loosing momentum a little faster than I would want. Oh well, nothing to do about that now.

Immediate goals
-Cross the major rivers north of the Pripjet.
-Close in on Leningrad.
-Keep pushing and probing in the south.




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Tophat1812 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (2/26/2012 3:20:06 PM)


Can we get some better closeup pics of:

1) AGN and its drive on Leningrad

2) AGC and its drive to Smolensk corridor.

3) AGC and its positions north of pripet marshes

4) AGS

5) Rumanian front and AG:ANT

My aged eyes can't make out enough detail on those broad big picture maps to see if your in Moscow or Berlin. Thanks.......[:D]




terje439 -> RE: Gnikam eht ni retsasid - Oloren USSR, Terje Axis, No Oloren (2/26/2012 4:04:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Tophat1812


Can we get some better closeup pics of:

1) AGN and its drive on Leningrad

2) AGC and its drive to Smolensk corridor.

3) AGC and its positions north of pripet marshes

4) AGS

5) Rumanian front and AG:ANT

My aged eyes can't make out enough detail on those broad big picture maps to see if your in Moscow or Berlin. Thanks.......[:D]


You give me no option but to try to figure out Gimp I see [:D]
Will see what I can conjure up.


Terje




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