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SeanD -> Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced! (2/2/2012 8:45:51 PM)

The War in the East just got bigger and better with this exciting new expansion!

We are thrilled to announce Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube, an expansion to the grand strategy masterpiece War in the East! Now gamers can enjoy this award winning wargame engine across many new scenarios and battles!

Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube will be released later this month and will be available for $14.99 Download / $24.99 Physical through the Matrix Games online store.

About Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube

The critically and fan acclaimed Eastern Front mega-game Gary Grigsby’s War in the East just got bigger and better with Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube! This expansion to the award-winning War in the East comes with a wide array of later war scenarios ranging from short but intense 6 turn bouts like the Battle for Kharkov (1942) to immense 37-turn engagements taking place across multiple nations like Drama on the Danube (Summer 1944 – Spring 1945). Don to the Danube and the War in the East system gives players unprecedented control over pivotal operations in the Second World War like Operation Uranus, the encirclement of the 6th German Army at Stalingrad, the Cherkassy Pocket and much more. Don to the Danube also takes full advantage of the hefty number of new features and rule changes that come with the massive 1.06.00 update and incorporates a full new Editor manual as well.

Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube is an expansion for War in the East and requires the base game to play.

Get more information on Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube from its official product page.




gids -> RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced! (2/2/2012 9:57:04 PM)

o yea....




jzardos -> RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced! (2/2/2012 11:17:02 PM)

I'm only buying it if the axis player can now have some more control on production, ToE, and support unit construction. Otherwise, WitE is already big enough for me and I'll save my money for that later expansion when/if it comes.




Pelton -> RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced! (2/3/2012 4:13:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jzardos

I'm only buying it if the axis player can now have some more control on production, ToE, and support unit construction. Otherwise, WitE is already big enough for me and I'll save my money for that later expansion when/if it comes.


Can we expect anything other then more Red babysitting?

Hopefully they atleast fixed the spam bombing and spam attacking.

It is a wite is cash cow, I cant be the only one that saw this coming 3 months ago heheh cha ching

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76mm -> RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced! (2/3/2012 5:35:10 AM)

So it sounds like this is just new scenarios?




Wild -> RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced! (2/3/2012 6:05:12 AM)

If it's just new scenerios with the same unfair model of the
germans being put in a straight jacket while the Sovs can do whatever they like. Then they can keep there product and the ones that come after too. I wont wast a dime on them.

The unfortunate thing is i was loyal to 2by3 to more then any other developer (own almost all their games) I know many people feel like i do and it all could have been avoided with some descent customer service. But we were laughed at and ignored and now the opportunity to have the ultimate eastern front game will probably be lost forever. It's a damn shame.





jazman -> RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced! (2/3/2012 6:05:13 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: 76mm

So it sounds like this is just new scenarios?


Scenario List:
Battle for Kharkov 1942 (12 May - 22 June 1942 - 6 turns)
Operation Sturgeon Catch 1942 (2 June - 3 August 1942 - 9 turns)
Case Blue Phase I (28 June - 18 July 1942 - 3 turns)
Operation Uranus 1942 (19 November - 30 December 1942 - 6 turns)
Operation Kutuzov-Rumyantsev (5 July - 29 August 1943 - 8 turns)
Cherkassy Pocket 1944 (24 January - 5 March 1944 - 6 turns)
Red Army Resurgent (19 November 1942 - 17 March 1943 - 17 turns)
Decision in the Ukraine (24 September 1943 - 4 May 1944 - 32 turns)
Retreat from Leningrad (22 June 1944 - 3 January 1945 - 28 turns)
Drama on the Danube (20 August 1944 - 5 May 1945 - 37 turns




gradenko_2000 -> RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced! (2/3/2012 6:15:15 AM)

Any chance of additional Grand Campaign starting points? I think there's a lot of opportunity there:

* 1941 GC that starts on "turn 2", similar to WITP's Dec 8 1941 start
* 1941 GC that starts sometime around Operation Typhoon (18 turns in?)
* 1942 GC that starts sometime around March or earlier, allowing the German player to plan his offensive without being committed to Fall Blau
* 1942-1943 GC that starts during Wintergewitter
* 1943 GC that starts earlier in the year, before the massive build-up and commitment to Zitadelle




Tarhunnas -> RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced! (2/3/2012 8:50:40 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Pelton

quote:

ORIGINAL: jzardos

I'm only buying it if the axis player can now have some more control on production, ToE, and support unit construction. Otherwise, WitE is already big enough for me and I'll save my money for that later expansion when/if it comes.


Can we expect anything other then more Red babysitting?

Hopefully they atleast fixed the spam bombing and spam attacking.

It is a wite is cash cow, I cant be the only one that saw this coming 3 months ago heheh cha ching

[sm=00000945.gif]


But please! It is so dreary with this complaining attitude! I certainly do not begrudge the team that created this great game to make some money on their hard work! And I am grateful for all the fantastic support they offer for this game, even though not all changes cater to my pet peeves!




Speedy -> RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced! (2/3/2012 9:10:11 AM)

I've been playing Decision in the Ukraine and have had a look at Drama on the Danube. They are FANTASTIC scenario's to play. The other bonus with them being shorter and smaller scenarios is they take less time ti play compared to a GC = handy for a spare 30 mins you may have!




Rasputitsa -> RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced! (2/3/2012 9:17:31 AM)

I might buy this, as it is only the scenarios that I will ever play in WiTE, the Grand Campaign is too impractical at this scale.




Speedy -> RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced! (2/3/2012 9:38:58 AM)

Hi Rasputitsa - just be aware you need WitE base game to play these as well.....




Hermann -> RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced! (2/3/2012 9:40:00 AM)

I'll buy it. Don't sell the German short they can be extremely effective if played properly. Remember the games going into European scale and has been a work in progress for some time. Let's concentrate on enjoying the game we have and finding and ponting out the bugs before overloading the developers with more demands. The games an operational level campaign at this stage in it's current stage of developement, and as such it's extremely effective as a historical model. insisting on strategic level flexibility is jumping the gun in my opinion. Remember this is Gary Grigsby were dealing with here. Guy knows his stuff and how to go about it. Just give him time and let him make a few dollars for his trouble. I'll buy this and any future expansion. It's the least I can do to be allowed to play a game that actually gets updated realtime according to player feedback.




gids -> RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced! (2/3/2012 10:32:52 AM)

+1
im not a fan for some of the workings on Both german and soviet side(all discussions aside),but in the end they are limited still to Computercode,so live with it ,im a huge fan of it,because its a dreamgame made with lots of effort and time and attention of detail
so yes il buy the expansion




Pelton -> RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced! (2/3/2012 10:42:36 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tarhunnas


quote:

ORIGINAL: Pelton

quote:

ORIGINAL: jzardos

I'm only buying it if the axis player can now have some more control on production, ToE, and support unit construction. Otherwise, WitE is already big enough for me and I'll save my money for that later expansion when/if it comes.


Can we expect anything other then more Red babysitting?

Hopefully they atleast fixed the spam bombing and spam attacking.

It is a wite is cash cow, I cant be the only one that saw this coming 3 months ago heheh cha ching

[sm=00000945.gif]


But please! It is so dreary with this complaining attitude! I certainly do not begrudge the team that created this great game to make some money on their hard work! And I am grateful for all the fantastic support they offer for this game, even though not all changes cater to my pet peeves!


No one really or very few care about scenario's. Its the carebear packages that get handed to the Russian side as per the normal 2by3 standard MO that matters to most players and what has turned off 100's from playing this game.

At some point I would hope that 2by3 stops this sillyness, it just makes them look really bad and is what will doom witw and wie in the future.

On one wants to play a game that is some carebear heaven for one side and jail time for the other.

Pelton




Speedy -> RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced! (2/3/2012 11:33:05 AM)

Are you feeling ok today Pelton?[8D]




Happy Hedonist -> RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced! (2/3/2012 1:40:51 PM)

I thought MMO forums were bad...

I'm all over this.  After having put the game away for a while, some smaller scenarios better suited for PBEM is just the thing to get me playing again.




Treale -> RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced! (2/3/2012 2:14:41 PM)

Pelton, If you don't like it, don't buy the expansion pack and don't play the game!




Speedy -> RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced! (2/3/2012 2:15:35 PM)

[&o]




ComradeP -> RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced! (2/3/2012 3:04:19 PM)

Just to make sure the question is clearly answered in this thread as well: the scenario disk just contains new scenarios, it doesn't contain any special .exe with additional features or the like.




Mazzah -> RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced! (2/3/2012 3:35:51 PM)

Edited due to poor reading skills on My behalf!

Anyhow keep up the good work!




jzardos -> RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced! (2/3/2012 4:05:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tarhunnas


quote:

ORIGINAL: Pelton

quote:

ORIGINAL: jzardos

I'm only buying it if the axis player can now have some more control on production, ToE, and support unit construction. Otherwise, WitE is already big enough for me and I'll save my money for that later expansion when/if it comes.


Can we expect anything other then more Red babysitting?

Hopefully they atleast fixed the spam bombing and spam attacking.

It is a wite is cash cow, I cant be the only one that saw this coming 3 months ago heheh cha ching

[sm=00000945.gif]


But please! It is so dreary with this complaining attitude! I certainly do not begrudge the team that created this great game to make some money on their hard work! And I am grateful for all the fantastic support they offer for this game, even though not all changes cater to my pet peeves!



Tarhunass,

Ummm please do me the courtesy and explain how I'm complaining? I merely stated that I would not be interested in the expansion unless it had more significant changes. Please don't make ignorant comments about me, as I take this as a personal attack. I believe personal attacks on the forum are ill advised. Keep your comments to the game and we'll be fine.

thanks




AZ Gung Ho -> RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced! (2/3/2012 5:31:05 PM)

Hey Comrade P

So it's just scenarios that we put into the scenario folder and play the game as usual from there? Sound good to me.




Templer -> RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced! (2/3/2012 5:33:14 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Pelton

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tarhunnas


quote:

ORIGINAL: Pelton

quote:

ORIGINAL: jzardos

I'm only buying it if the axis player can now have some more control on production, ToE, and support unit construction. Otherwise, WitE is already big enough for me and I'll save my money for that later expansion when/if it comes.


Can we expect anything other then more Red babysitting?

Hopefully they atleast fixed the spam bombing and spam attacking.

It is a wite is cash cow, I cant be the only one that saw this coming 3 months ago heheh cha ching

[sm=00000945.gif]


But please! It is so dreary with this complaining attitude! I certainly do not begrudge the team that created this great game to make some money on their hard work! And I am grateful for all the fantastic support they offer for this game, even though not all changes cater to my pet peeves!


No one really or very few care about scenario's...

Pelton



I'm one that cares - Oh, so do I belong no longer to the community? [X(]




Joel Billings -> RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced! (2/3/2012 5:35:33 PM)

They are just scenarios, although when it comes out you'll want to get the latest update of the game at that time so you can take advantage of the recent changes. The scenarios will also come with a scenario notes .pdf with some historical and designer notes from Trey and John, the authors of the scenarios.




Templer -> RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced! (2/3/2012 6:59:00 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Tarhunnas
But please! It is so dreary with this complaining attitude! I certainly do not begrudge the team that created this great game to make some money on their hard work! And I am grateful for all the fantastic support they offer for this game, even though not all changes cater to my pet peeves!

I sign this word by word! [:)]




bwheatley -> RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced! (2/3/2012 8:09:10 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Pelton

No one really or very few care about scenario's. Its the carebear packages that get handed to the Russian side as per the normal 2by3 standard MO that matters to most players and what has turned off 100's from playing this game.

At some point I would hope that 2by3 stops this sillyness, it just makes them look really bad and is what will doom witw and wie in the future.

On one wants to play a game that is some carebear heaven for one side and jail time for the other.

Pelton




The thing that drives me crazy about you and others who are one sided on both german and the soviet side is that it's one sided. I've always tried to advocate for common sense changes that helped balance the games for both sides (rifle corps being harder to get early. Germans surviving winter better if they are in forts. etc).
The 1v1=2v1 rule wouldn't be necessary if they allowed russians to fight historically hard and cause real damage to the germans. I don't run away because i don't like that tactic but i see why people do it. You can't put up a smolensk type battle to attrit the german player. So 1v1=2v1 is a crutch that i'd be glad to see go away permanently. The game has this curve that you will follow no matter how you play the germans will artificially be boosted in the early war and the soviets will be artificially boosted in the late war.

It would be nice to see it be the soviets can fight a real smolensk type battle that grinds the germans down. Combat results that I see combat of 15000 people on both side resulting in < 10 enemy deaths is frustrating.

I'd even enjoy seeing optional rules that have a hitler/stalin objectives factor in. You are free to NOT follow the rules they give you but if you manage to meet their objectives you should get a VP/AP bonus for doing as your CnC instructs.

But all you ever do is whine and complain about the soviets having it too easy. I completely agree that I wish the germans had more control over their OOB and production but you're not helping my cause by being a crotchity antagonist.

When i finish my game with ara i'd be glad to play you so you won't be able to complain that a soviet player just runs away constantly. [:D]

As for wite being a cash cow players who enjoy the game should want to support the developer. If this was ubisoft we'd still have a release day game that was very too balanced in favor of the soviets. Hard work and dedication should be rewarded. Supporting a game for more then a year is awesome.

And the patch is going to be a pretty neutral patch both sides are tweaked a bit so nobody can scream that it wasn't balanced.




demjansk -> RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced! (2/3/2012 8:59:08 PM)

I just play the darn things and read the real stuff in the books, its all good for me since I get beat anyway, I play toaw3 also




GBS -> RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced! (2/3/2012 9:13:00 PM)

I'm astonished by some of the reactions here. I will gladly pay for the expansion, hopefully contributing to 2by3's profitability which hopefully will enable them to continue developing games that we ALL can play and enjoy. Thanks Gary and team.




abulbulian -> RE: Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: Don to the Danube Announced! (2/4/2012 2:47:13 AM)

I'm personally very happy to support 2by3 by purchasing this upcoming expansion.  Normally I like to play campaigns, but there looks like a few interesting scenarios to play.  Not to mention names, but there seems to be a few individuals who act very bitter about playing this game and almost make you believe like they're be forced to play it.  My advice is play something else if you can't get the enjoyment you want or need from WitE.  Sure there's some things I would like to see changed in WitE <cough: German production control>, but it's a game that continues to make improvements by developers and testers that have a passion for computer war games and the community.  People have to keep in mind the market share for these type of war games is very small compare to computer games in general.  So we need to support the companies that are putting out good war game products and are willing to support them (patches), we should give back the same support to these companies like 2by3.






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