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SailingGuy -> 2012: Rise of Nations [CLOSED] (1/3/2012 4:43:55 PM)

"2012: Rise of Nations".

This game is an ambitious project seeking 14 players (the max allowed by ATG).

Rise of Nations rules:
A) Alliances and team wins are allowed.
B) Once an alliance is made it may not be broken.
C) The maximum number of alliance members is four.
D) If the full complement of 14 players is not acheived, the maximum number of alliance members will be three.

Code of Conduct:
1) Don't disappear unexpectedly. If you lose interest in the game, surrender your forces. Don't ruin the game for the rest of us by quitting without notice. You may give your units/resources/territory to an alliance member before surrendering.
2) Complete your turn within 24 to 48 hours if at all possible. If you are going to be away for an extended period of time, let us know.
4) Email the new file to the next player in line after your turn is done. (We may use DropBox if all players agree.)
5) File naming format: AAA-BBB-CCC-DDD-EEE-FFF-GGG-HHH-III-JJJ-KKK-LLL-MMM-NNN-### (Where AAA is the name of player one, BBB is player two, CCC is player three, etc., with ### increasing by one number at the end of each player's turn...001, 002, 003, etc.)
6) Make a "courtesy" post on this forum that you have passed the turn to the next player in line.

Settings:
Fourteen players (depending on interest).
World size X-Large.
No AI.
Normal world.
Map loop.
Shroud.
1 Town start.
Stone Age.
Costly research.
Use resources.
Start with roads.
Climate: Full Range
Fog of War
PBEM Protection
Passwords (write it down!)

I will generate a random starting player order, so please PM me with your email. The order will be determined via the email dice server at dicemaster@nomic.net. You can see how the dice roller works at http://dice.nomic.net/email.html

Some players may be placed next to a treasure trove of resources. Such random luck will occur. Deal with it. Stats are not hidden, so feel free to pound on the "highest nail".

If we do not get the full complement of 14 players by Wednesday, January 18th, I will proceed with those that have signed up. However, the game will not start with less than 7 players.

This is an admittedly ambitious project. Let's set the record for the most number of players participating in an ATG game.

PM me or post here if you want to join.

Signed up so far:
1) SailingGuy
2) Nego
3) 82ndtrooper
4) Casus_Belli
5) TPM
6) LazyBoy
7) Tophat1812
8) Webizen
9) jagular
10) all5n
11) Jay Doubleyou
12) hadley
13) derstralle
14) Harley




Nego -> RE: 2012: Rise of Nations [RECRUITING PLAYERS] (1/3/2012 7:24:35 PM)

Please count me in....:)




82ndtrooper -> RE: 2012: Rise of Nations [RECRUITING PLAYERS] (1/3/2012 8:06:33 PM)

well this sounds interesting.
I don't usually play random games , i mostly play the scenarios but I think I would enjoy giving this one a try.

so sign me up.




Casus_Belli -> RE: 2012: Rise of Nations [RECRUITING PLAYERS] (1/4/2012 10:59:03 AM)

I'll be in it.[8D]




TPM -> RE: 2012: Rise of Nations [RECRUITING PLAYERS] (1/4/2012 8:16:16 PM)

OK, I'm in. Should we be concerned that the game might crash if it's this large? Never played X-large before. Either way, sounds fun, I'm in.




SailingGuy -> RE: 2012: Rise of Nations [RECRUITING PLAYERS] (1/4/2012 8:37:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TPM

OK, I'm in. Should we be concerned that the game might crash if it's this large? Never played X-large before. Either way, sounds fun, I'm in.


I've put together several X-Large maps and have not had a problem. Not sure how XL will work with 14, but I'm assuming it will be ok.

Welcome aboard.




LazyBoy -> RE: 2012: Rise of Nations [RECRUITING PLAYERS] (1/4/2012 11:21:29 PM)

Hi

I have not played ATG with a human opponent, but have played AT, I'll play if you want.




SailingGuy -> RE: 2012: Rise of Nations [RECRUITING PLAYERS] (1/5/2012 12:43:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LazyBoy
Hi
I have not played ATG with a human opponent, but have played AT, I'll play if you want.


You're in. Be sure to ask us if you have any questions.




TPM -> RE: 2012: Rise of Nations [RECRUITING PLAYERS] (1/5/2012 5:06:27 PM)

Sounds good. Looking forward to it!

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ORIGINAL: SailingGuy

quote:

ORIGINAL: TPM

OK, I'm in. Should we be concerned that the game might crash if it's this large? Never played X-large before. Either way, sounds fun, I'm in.


I've put together several X-Large maps and have not had a problem. Not sure how XL will work with 14, but I'm assuming it will be ok.

Welcome aboard.






Tophat1812 -> RE: 2012: Rise of Nations [RECRUITING PLAYERS] (1/6/2012 1:22:03 AM)

I'm also interested in this scenario,but I have no experience other than vs the ai as of yet. So if you don't mind another ATG novice I'll play.[;)]




SailingGuy -> RE: 2012: Rise of Nations [RECRUITING PLAYERS] (1/6/2012 2:26:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tophat1812
I'm also interested in this scenario,but I have no experience other than vs the ai as of yet. So if you don't mind another ATG novice I'll play.[;)]


I think you'll find this game more challenging than playing vs AI. Welcome.




Webizen -> RE: 2012: Rise of Nations [RECRUITING PLAYERS] (1/6/2012 5:34:52 PM)

Ambitious project indeed! Assuming you get all 14 player slots filled, at best you'll not complete more than 2-3 turns a month/24-36 turns in a year. Considering the map size and the potential numbers of players I also wonder if the 'no roads/costly research/one town start' options will not unduly make for a very long time to any significant action. Request at least a reconsideration about using 'one town start.' It probably would be helpful to the novices not to have to search for cities.

All that said above, I'll join in even if nothing is changed. I do highly recommend that anyone not using Dropbox for exchanging turns get a free Dropbox account (www.dropbox.com). It beats using email by a long shot. It also alleviates the need to notify players about whose turn it is. You simply check your Dropbox folder.






SailingGuy -> RE: 2012: Rise of Nations [RECRUITING PLAYERS] (1/6/2012 6:40:25 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Webizen
Request at least a reconsideration about using 'one town start.' It probably would be helpful to the novices not to have to search for cities.


Good point. Modified.




SailingGuy -> RE: 2012: Rise of Nations [RECRUITING PLAYERS] (1/6/2012 6:43:14 PM)

What does everyone think about striking "No roads" and "Costly research"? I agree with Webizen, and have already struck "One city start".




jagular -> RE: 2012: Rise of Nations [RECRUITING PLAYERS] (1/6/2012 7:04:12 PM)

Count me in.
With alliances allowed and most likely to happen research can be shared, so costly research is fine with me.

Do we use of Dropbox so everybody can keep track of who's turn it is

What happens if someone drops out/dissapears. Maybe it would be good to share passwords with alliance-members so that if someone dissapears, they can take his turn, surrender and the rest can continue on.




SailingGuy -> RE: 2012: Rise of Nations [RECRUITING PLAYERS] (1/6/2012 8:31:20 PM)

I like jagular's point about shared research. Will encourage an early alliance, but players will still have to be careful about who they ally with.

So I'm inclined to strike "1 town start" and "no roads".

Alliance members can share passwords as they see fit, but it would be a good safety feature and even allow an ally to take your turn for you if you are on vacation, business trip, ill, etc.

I like DropBox, but am not sure that everyone uses it. Perhaps Webizen can help the new guys with a walk through of DropBox.




Webizen -> RE: 2012: Rise of Nations [RECRUITING PLAYERS] (1/6/2012 8:34:15 PM)

The thing to remember about "no roads" is that to build a single hex of rail line costs 20 raw (more if you have to bridge a river I believe). The "no roads" option will limit early armor production, at least if you wish to build out your rail net to expand your supply reach. I'm ok either way.

Agreed--with allies to trade tech with "costly research" isn't too bad, especially with potential alliances of 3/4 players. It will promote early alliances. Do you want a house rule about "no alliances" before N number of turns? No declarations of war before N number of turns?

I'm thinking alliances are most likely to form with adjacent regimes though the possibility will exist to isolate one or more players via alliances I suppose. However, with a normal world there will be a lot of water. Hmmmm, game is sounding more interesting the more I think about it. Everyone, just be prepared for a LONG game and don't be in a rush. Get into other games in addition to this one if you need more action more quickly.

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ORIGINAL: SailingGuy

What does everyone think about striking "No roads" and "Costly research"? I agree with Webizen, and have already struck "One city start".

quote:

What does everyone think about striking "No roads" and "Costly research"? I agree with Webizen, and have already struck "One city start".




Tophat1812 -> RE: 2012: Rise of Nations [RECRUITING PLAYERS] (1/6/2012 8:50:28 PM)

I'd be inclined to keep the "no roads' as it will limit the tech growth of empires as basic infrastructure is created. I"m already anxious to start up.......

Webizen how about a dummies guide to dropbox example please?




Webizen -> RE: 2012: Rise of Nations [RECRUITING PLAYERS] (1/6/2012 9:31:03 PM)

One other thing to remember: there are only seven playable people groups in ATG. Any number of players over seven means that there will be duplicate people groups. In game terms what that means is that if you capture an enemy city of the same people group as your own, that city will be fully functional for production purposes (i.e. it can produce combat units). A captured enemy city not of your people group can only produce PPs and limited amounts of raw/oil). If this game gets all 14 players there will be seven sets of duplicate people groups. All players should keep this in mind. Any player who can conquer enemy cities of his own people group can potentially become very powerful.




Tophat1812 -> RE: 2012: Rise of Nations [RECRUITING PLAYERS] (1/6/2012 9:35:00 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Webizen

One other thing to remember: there are only six people groups in ATG. Any number of players over six means that there will be duplicate people groups. In game terms what that means is that if you capture an enemy city of the same people group as your own, that city will be fully functional for production purposes (i.e. it can produce combat units). A captured enemy city not of your people group can only produce PPs and limited amounts of raw/oil). If this game gets all 14 players there will be two sets of three duplicate people groups. All players should keep this in mind. Any player who can conquer enemy cities of his own people group can potentially become very powerful.



That is a very important tip that frankly hadn't even occurred to me until you mentioned it. Thank you.




Webizen -> RE: 2012: Rise of Nations [RECRUITING PLAYERS] (1/7/2012 12:34:25 AM)

Dropbox is very simple to use. The first thing to do is visit http://www.dropbox.com and create your free account using the same email address you plan to use for this game. Once you create your account, download and install the Dropbox software on your computer. When SailingGuy shares the game folder with you and saves a save game file into it, it uploads to the cloud and then is replicated to every other player's dropbox game folder. Each player will save his save gave file to his local dropbox. Works beautifully and saves a ton of emailing.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tophat1812

Webizen how about a dummies guide to dropbox example please?




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LazyBoy -> RE: 2012: Rise of Nations [RECRUITING PLAYERS] (1/7/2012 3:46:39 AM)

I think there should be a limit on the number of alliances a player can be in.
At the moment you could be allied to all other players, boring game but possible.
I setup a number of games using the new settings and a good number of the countries end up with 1 city and no resources.

I think having the 1 city start will give each player a better start

The other changes I don't mine how they are set.




Webizen -> RE: 2012: Rise of Nations [RECRUITING PLAYERS] (1/7/2012 2:38:37 PM)

@LazyBoy - by house rule each alliance is limited to 3 or 4 players depending on number of players joining the game. Your question did bring to mind a possibility I think needs address. I believe SailingGuy's intention for alliances is that the 3/4 members will be allied with each another (Alliance A) and not that some members of Alliance A are part of Alliance B, C or D. That would seem to get really messy and complicated if allowed as the game won't allow certain actions vs other players in mixed peace/war/alliance states. Hope that makes sense.




all5n -> RE: 2012: Rise of Nations [RECRUITING PLAYERS] (1/7/2012 4:09:51 PM)

sounds fun, count me in.




SailingGuy -> RE: 2012: Rise of Nations [RECRUITING PLAYERS] (1/7/2012 4:31:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Webizen
I believe SailingGuy's intention for alliances is that the 3/4 members will be allied with each another (Alliance A) and not that some members of Alliance A are part of Alliance B, C or D. That would seem to get really messy and complicated if allowed as the game won't allow certain actions vs other players in mixed peace/war/alliance states. Hope that makes sense.


Exactly. So if A allies with B and B allies with C, A must ally with C. Since alliances are "forever", care must be taken with whom you ally.

Official:
"1 Town Start" has been struck.
"Costly Research" has been confirmed.
"No Roads" is still under discussion.

Thanks to Webizen for putting together the DropBox intro. It really is easy to use and quite beneficial to the flow of the game.




Jay Doubleyou -> RE: 2012: Rise of Nations [RECRUITING PLAYERS] (1/7/2012 6:35:47 PM)

I prefer to play with 1 town start, regular research and roads. If you don't choose that option the map will be completely divided with scattered areas all over the map for every nation. Playing with 4 already creates silly maps, imagine playing with 14...




SailingGuy -> RE: 2012: Rise of Nations [RECRUITING PLAYERS] (1/7/2012 7:26:30 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jay Doubleyou
I prefer to play with 1 town start, regular research and roads. If you don't choose that option the map will be completely divided with scattered areas all over the map for every nation. Playing with 4 already creates silly maps, imagine playing with 14...


So are you saying that with multiple towns our forces might not be contiguous? If that's the case, I agree we should go back to "1 Town Start". Does anyone have experience with this?

Jay, I'm assuming you want to play, so have added you to the list. We can work out the set up details so that most everyone is happy with the outcome.




Jay Doubleyou -> RE: 2012: Rise of Nations [RECRUITING PLAYERS] (1/7/2012 7:54:03 PM)

Yeah i'd like to play.
I just created an 8 player map. Six countries had their territories scattered over the map. The ATG mapgenerator makes very odd maps if you don't choose 1 town start.
If you have time create a few 14 player maps and check what they look like.




SailingGuy -> RE: 2012: Rise of Nations [RECRUITING PLAYERS] (1/7/2012 8:46:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jay Doubleyou
Yeah i'd like to play.
I just created an 8 player map. Six countries had their territories scattered over the map. The ATG mapgenerator makes very odd maps if you don't choose 1 town start.
If you have time create a few 14 player maps and check what they look like.


That makes me think that we should go back to "1 Town Start" and then offset that choice by scratching "Costly Research".




82ndtrooper -> RE: 2012: Rise of Nations [RECRUITING PLAYERS] (1/7/2012 9:44:11 PM)

i suggest you try making a few maps with the dry world option, it still can have a lot of water. just check it out. I will play anything but I do agree that with a normal world map and a regular start ( not 1 city) then some people will have starting cities scattered across the water.
if you do no roads then it will take a while for the game to get going.

cheers




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