PaxMondo -> RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) (11/29/2011 4:09:10 AM)
ORIGINAL: Mike Solli
Thanks Paul. I'm looking forward to getting back into AE as well. It's been since January since I played.
Pax, you too?! Seems like all you guys are interested in hauling overland from Singapore to Fusan! What do you think? Is it gamey or not? Convince me to try it!
I don't think it's gamey. Rails and roads are there for a reason. Having said that - I'm not sure an overland route would achieve your desired goals...
Supplies are stockpiled at bases. Supplies are created via the production system and can also come into the game at bases that are assigned a daily allotment. From there they can be distributed to satellite bases in a variety of ways already described; via air transport, by ships in TFs, submarines with transport Missions, and overland. A base may transfer supplies, oil, and resources to an adjacent base regardless of the terrain the separates the two hexes (allows
inland sea movement of resources and oil).
The whole push/pull supply process is there to keep bases and troops properly supplied. All bases along your overland route will be supplied. This is no different than the silk route or any other trade route in history. If there is a need to go overland due to enemy forces attacking your shipping then you do it. If it is significantly cheaper and safer to go overland then you do it.
Bases also can contain stockpiles of supplies, fuel, resources and oil (resources and oil only when production is on). Fuel stockpiles are used to refuel ships, while supply stockpiles are used to maintain aircraft, resupply ground units, and replenish naval ammunition. Each day, supplies from a base’s stockpile are distributed to ground units in the same hex as needed. Supply, fuel, resources, and oil stockpiles will also be moved automatically from bases overland to restock other bases or ground units that are running low on these items if the two bases (or ground unit) are linked by a valid supply path. When these items are automatically moved to another hex, some of the items are expended during the transfer (never more than 20% will be expended). [X(]
As I read this though, while your overland supply route from Hong Kong to Shanghai or Fusan might work, it appears that on a long journey you'd see very little at the end of the line... This also makes me wonder if it's better to run oil/fuel directly to some bases in Japan rather then dumping consumables off at bases on the western end of Japan and letting the overland system "move" consumables to where they are needed. Section 18.104.22.168 that starts on page 212 looks to give "free" transfer of oil/Resources/fuel/supplies between adjacent friendly ports (meaning nothing expended/lost during the transfer process).
I think you should try the overland trade route out and we can all learn from your experience... [:D]
Seriously - this was a good read for me as it has me rethinking how I want to move my resources and oil... Things that make me go hmmmmm.
In another thread some time back I discussed this.
I've had a Mark 1 eyeball on over 90% of this route back "in the day" ... yep all the way from Singers to Fusan. Just a few places I haven't actually seen (as in traveled upon). At the time, it was still almost exactly like it was from the war. The map actually has a number of breaks in the RR for game balance (China particularly, separating occupied and unoccupied China), IRL they are and were joined.
Sure, in some places the road is pretty ratty, but a 6 ton truck would make it easy. A few hundred thousand hand carts would have as well. Remember, this is the place that invented the term "brute force". None of the road looks nearly as bad as the Burma Road that the allies had to use.
So, no, I don't think it is gamey. You lose some to waste across some of the hexes, but not nearly as much as you will to subs. And you free up hundreds of ships and save a LOT of fuel. Towards the end of the war, IJ got pretty close in RL, so that vets it even more.
I generally earmark a lot of force to clear China to get this in play once Singers falls. It is far more important to the economy than playing around in the Solomon's or OZ or any of those other sand boxes that the IJ gets caught up in.
DEI + Singers to Fusan line = BIG Bonus for IJ [:D]