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ruixilyy -> Global Conflict Blue--A better choice than HUE? (11/16/2011 1:37:13 PM)

Has anyone ever tried Global Conflict Bule? It is a free game much similar to the old Jane's fleet command and it is totally a free game. You can download the latest version on their main site: http://www.gcblue.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

According to the screenshot I think the UI and graphics are far more excellent than HCE, not to mention H3ANW. My first impression is that this game will soon become a better choice than HUE. HUE, in essence, is a repatched edition of two 1990s game with little graphic improvements (far behind today's standard). For those already owned H3ANW, HCE and now HUE (like me) it is also disappointing that no major update has been released since the initial release of HUE (and i think the expectation for future updates/fixes is the major reason that I bought HUE)

If you visit the product page of HUE you will see someone rate this game at a very low rating. It is no surprise. I can say Harpoon is almost dead and it is about time found a new game. SO I suggest you guys try GCB and it is free.




CV32 -> RE: Global Conflict Blue--A better choice than HUE? (11/16/2011 5:06:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ruixilyy

Has anyone ever tried Global Conflict Bule? It is a free game much similar to the old Jane's fleet command and it is totally a free game. You can download the latest version on their main site: http://www.gcblue.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

According to the screenshot I think the UI and graphics are far more excellent than HCE, not to mention H3ANW. My first impression is that this game will soon become a better choice than HUE. HUE, in essence, is a repatched edition of two 1990s game with little graphic improvements (far behind today's standard). For those already owned H3ANW, HCE and now HUE (like me) it is also disappointing that no major update has been released since the initial release of HUE (and i think the expectation for future updates/fixes is the major reason that I bought HUE)

If you visit the product page of HUE you will see someone rate this game at a very low rating. It is no surprise. I can say Harpoon is almost dead and it is about time found a new game. SO I suggest you guys try GCB and it is free.


Hmm, so let me get this straight. You're promoting a competing product on this forum on the basis of a screenshot (i.e. eye candy)? GCB is not new to most folks in the Harpoon community. Would it cause those people to abandon Harpoon en masse? Hardly.




ruixilyy -> RE: Global Conflict Blue--A better choice than HUE? (11/16/2011 7:48:05 PM)

Let's wait and see in the future. Of course I am not promoting that product but as a customer of H3ANW, HCE and HUE, i must say that the current status of harpoon is disappointing. Too many frustrations. I am not complaining about H3ANW and HCE, indeed I am rather feel sick about HUE--a misleading product with advertisement blurb). Although I am entitled to buy HUE with the $25 discount, I still feel sick about Matrix's sale strategy on this game. Very few new things, and after its release, no updates or even beta updates.

I owned many other games from Matrix and I only feel sick about HUE. For some games such as War in the Pacific Admiral's edtion, it is really a great remake of the original WITP and I am happy to buy it as a new game. For Panzaer Command Ostfront, Matrix provides FREE update which bring the old Winter Storm to the current version. Only HUE requires a re-buy with no essential improvements. So it is proved, HUE is rated by a customer as one star (the lowest level) and he said quite clearly: 'a repackaged game' of the H3ANW (which is quite buggy) and HCE (many features such as new battlesets are never officially released). And before they fix the current issues, they can't help asking for more money.

I don't know whether there is any game under Matrix's brand has such terrible ratings. It's not our customer's fault.




CV32 -> RE: Global Conflict Blue--A better choice than HUE? (11/16/2011 8:28:37 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ruixilyy
Let's wait and see in the future. Of course I am not promoting that product but as a customer of H3ANW, HCE and HUE, i must say that the current status of harpoon is disappointing. Too many frustrations. I am not complaining about H3ANW and HCE, indeed I am rather feel sick about HUE--a misleading product with advertisement blurb). Although I am entitled to buy HUE with the $25 discount, I still feel sick about Matrix's sale strategy on this game. Very few new things, and after its release, no updates or even beta updates.

I owned many other games from Matrix and I only feel sick about HUE. For some games such as War in the Pacific Admiral's edtion, it is really a great remake of the original WITP and I am happy to buy it as a new game. For Panzaer Command Ostfront, Matrix provides FREE update which bring the old Winter Storm to the current version. Only HUE requires a re-buy with no essential improvements. So it is proved, HUE is rated by a customer as one star (the lowest level) and he said quite clearly: 'a repackaged game' of the H3ANW (which is quite buggy) and HCE (many features such as new battlesets are never officially released). And before they fix the current issues, they can't help asking for more money.

I don't know whether there is any game under Matrix's brand has such terrible ratings. It's not our customer's fault.


I would hardly guage any game on the basis of a single rating from an anonymous customer. Do we ignore the multiple positive ratings from the press on the same page?

I'm not dismissing your complaints, but I think there's more to the value of any given game than a single rating or comment, or the eye candy offered by competing products. That's not to say that there isn't any competition. One would naturally expect it as time goes on. But to think it will make support for Harpoon (in all its versions) suddenly evaporate is, well, pure fantasy. History has proven otherwise.

Btw, the new battlesets for HCE are in fact available, and have been since their production and release.




TonyE -> RE: Global Conflict Blue--A better choice than HUE? (11/16/2011 9:04:50 PM)

Not to mention Brad releasing 20+ HCDB database updates alone since the 2009.050 HCE build and that is just one of his databases!  I don't think HCE has hit 100s of new scenarios since the HUE release but it is into the 10s without breaking a sweat. 

I've released six stable updates to the HCE game engine since 2009.050 as well as 32 very alpha builds that make some leaps in the game (multiple group map windows, fleshing out the multiple sides, allowing the player to play multiple sides and see the current progress of one of more sides)

and as interest and time permits, some improvements to the UI, http://harpgamer.com/harpforum/index.php?showtopic=3187

Would a 'from scratch with lessons learned applied' game be better, sure, and a group seems to be making just that though I won't advertise them here (big hint that they have posts in this very forum showing it off). 

For me this is a hobby and that necessarily limits the time I can justify donating to the cause.  I like the game as it is, sure I want more and am working to provide more but it gives me everything I need to get pulled in for way too many hours!




ruixilyy -> RE: Global Conflict Blue--A better choice than HUE? (11/16/2011 9:42:34 PM)

I have regularly visit your forum and download the latest HCDB for HCE, and I am grateful to you for you guys' contribution to the game. However, this is your efforts, not Matrix's. Although we all know that harpoon has long been supported by keen naval warfare fans, this very fact can not exempt Matrix from malpracticing. This is not the only case to Matrix. I also bought Close Combat series and they recently reissued the ww2 games but totally ignored CC Modern Combat--no update for almost four years (someone from Matrix promised that a new update will be issued 'soon' a year ago and now i regard it as a dead game).

I never complain about the game itself and I still play both HCE and HANW. What i complain about is the indifference of Matrix Games towards this game. Yes we now have some Harpoon for Dummy video tutorials but remember, they are purely based on fan's dedication and those who contributed to this game do not receive salary from contributing their efforts.

Also, if you see some recent games from Matrix, they are much better than HUE. Panzer Crops, Battlefield Academy Series, and Panzer Command Ostfront. All have very good support. Perhaps HUE is the discarded one of Matrix Games (once they earned enough money from this game, they discard it and never care it any more?)




TonyE -> RE: Global Conflict Blue--A better choice than HUE? (11/17/2011 5:22:13 PM)

Okay, I'll drag this out [&:]

What do you think Matrix should be doing with Harpoon that they aren't?




evaamo2 -> RE: Global Conflict Blue--A better choice than HUE? (11/19/2011 8:05:38 AM)

Sorry for breaking in like this, but I wanted to add that I'm one of the fools who paid for HUE (I was already an owner of H3 3.6.3 and ANW) thinking that things were going to be different than they were during the ANW "era" of the game.

Being mostly an H3 player myself and being already an owner of 3.6.3 & ANW, there was little value for me (and time has confirmed it) in buying HUE, so I ended up doing it for the sole reason of supporting the future of the franchise.

In my opinion, one of the most irritating and disappointing events yet, is the fact that even to this day, more than a year after releasing HUE and promising the free (and last) 3.10 update for ANW owners, it-still-has-not-happened!. Frankly I don't care if it's Don's or Matrix responsibility at this stage, honestly. I just find it of poor taste and also a terrible business practice the way it has been handled (lying to your customers, failing to deliver, etc.). This behavior just demonstrates a lack of seriousness and consideration and is a direct hit to our confidence, as customers. I'd even dare to say that 90% percent of your customers know that eventually the same will happen to HUE. What's worse... maybe most just won't care! which would mean that the systematic failure to deliver has, at last, done enough harm to kill an otherwise "traditional" game franchise. Mission accomplished. Congrats. Makes me long for the Jesse Spears days of Harpoon! And the fact that none of the parties involved (AGSI as developer & Matrix as publisher) is becoming rich out of the Harpoon effort is no valid justification whatsoever.

No need to further elaborate on the actual situation of the HUE:ANW; just looking at the forum and the lack of product updates is enough for situation awareness purposes. The communication between users and developers (via IRC chats, access to Mantis bug tracking system, etc.) has, to my knowledge, become a thing of the past, and I honestly don't know of a single person around that is able to tell where the direction of the ANW effort is headed. There are pending issues for sure... just play a multiplayer session!

So in the end, the only guys living up to great standards are the crew in charge of HUE:HCE (which I seldom play, sadly). So thank you HCE guys for your continuous efforts in improving and caring for your "baby".

You also prove my point: it's not about the sales... it's about commitment.

Sorry for hijacking the thread to place my rant...

-E
Don: Sorry if I sound too harsh, it isn't personal. I know you have no ill intentions and I understand it isn't an easy business... I also know you understand the importance/meaning of Harpoon to many of us, but the way I feel is that the state of things at the moment just suck...




Erik Rutins -> RE: Global Conflict Blue--A better choice than HUE? (11/20/2011 2:28:55 PM)

Hi Evaamo2,

You're absolutely right that it should not have taken this long. It's been a challenging year for Harpoon, but we did not get that update out in a reasonable timeframe. I'll take responsibility for that and we'll get it out to customers as soon as possible.

Regards,

- Erik




ParachuteProne -> RE: Global Conflict Blue--A better choice than HUE? (11/20/2011 4:31:32 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: TonyE

Okay, I'll drag this out [&:]

What do you think Matrix should be doing with Harpoon that they aren't?



Thats a very tough question.
I own a few Matrix titles.
My first Harpoon was Harpoon Classic, then I bought 2 copies of Harpoon 2, which I liked much better.
I played Harpoon2 alot & enjoyed it - it set the benchmark for this style of game.
Never touched Classic again, but thats just me- many prefer the classic version.
That was many many years ago for an old DOS machine. When I noticed Matrix had re-released it I tried the demo & thought "Seems pretty much like the old game with a few new things and some of the old glitches a well".
Still didn't like the classic version as much. But still nice to play Harpoon2 again (or 3 now I guess it is) - kind of nostalgic.
Figured - well - "There is something else" is coming out in a year but it would be nice to play a little Harpoon again to bide my time.
However when I saw it was about $70 - I decided I just couldn't justify it with so many other things out there to spend my money on. Both gaming and non gaming. I was thinking $30-35 for an updated game I used to play when I was young.
So I will wait for the other product & play the free one thats out there for now.
I'm not so bold as to sit here and say $70 is not a proper price, especially if you like to play both versions.
Somebody surely has put alot of time into it.
I'm just saying I can't justify it to myself where it feels so much like the old game to me, which I only paid around $45 for I believe back then. Thats the danger of bundles - the consumer may only be interested in one of the games.
When you produce a product, you have to decide on a price and hope people will go for it - not really a right or wrong or that the distributor is not doing what it should - its just whatever the market will bear.
Matrix has set the price & method, if its selling to their satisfaction then there is no reason for them to change it.
As a consumer - its up to you to decide whether its for you or not - like any other purchase you make in life.





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